On day 10 of the Iranian revolution, the Ayatollah has fled

Murrmurr said:
Believe it or not; Christianity = Christ = New Testament.
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not necessarily so! - "in the name of the father and of the son and of the holy ghost" - three in one - if you're a believer then God created the world [ perhaps Christ and the HG were alongside him? at the time?] we don't know for sure having not been given all the details? - preachers I believe use the entire bible often when delivering their sermons - but they are not attempting to convert people to Jews but to Christians? However the old testament is still very instructive as I have just used describe how perhaps Islam was commenced - fascinating topic
 
start reading the bible from page one very quickly you will come across cheating and then a brother murdering his brother? - I sometimes wonder if a God made it all - was this development accidental/intentional from the creator/or intentional from the other actors?
 
Michael Z said:
Please keep this thread on topic.
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fair point—nobody wants a 'holy war' in the comments section. We don't need to debate which religion is right, but to point out that the leaders in this conflict aren't secular politicians in the Western sense.

When a state’s entire legal system and foreign policy are built on a specific religious framework, treating it like a standard border dispute is like trying to explain the U.S. Civil War without mentioning slavery. It’s not about my personal beliefs; it’s about the beliefs driving the people with the missiles."
 
smiley said:
the religious perspective of the conflict in Iran

interesting read for the decerning reader - gives a fully more rounded picture - if we ignore the religious nuances in the whole ME - we do so at our future peril as does this thread?
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The nature of the conflict has already been explained on this thread several times in the videos I posted and people's comments. Plus, it's been broiling since the late 70s, and started really picking up steam in the mid-2000s.

Some may have forgotten, though, that before the ultra-conservative Islamic regime took over, Iran was home to multiple religions; Muslim, Islam, Christian, Jewish, Yazidi... Iranians enjoyed freedom of religion.

Importantly, Iran was friendly toward Israel, and almost every other country in the ME didn't like that. That's when they started kicking out, imprisoning, and disappearing their resident Christians, Jews, and Kurdish Yazidis (again), and sky-jackings happened left and right, and the "west" was directly effected, and the situation got all geopolitical so they got involved, and Iran's Shaw/King was overthrown, leaving Israel, the west's ally, with zero friends in the ME.

Mistakes were made, and one could argue they were made primarily by the west, because you're right, from the west's POV, Iran's problems were political, and required political solutions.
 
againstthegrain said:
I don't get the objections to @smiley's posts. It seems like the religious basis of topic is important and others have commented or posted videos purporting to explain the same topic so why are his comments objectionable and?
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I'm assuming you mean the objection that his comments are "off-topic."

True, religion is at the core of the conflict in Iran. Or it might be more accurate to say the restrictions of that religion, which have caused economic disaster, a general lack of freedom and progress, and the absence of democracy; the people's main complaints.

So, religion is very pertinent. That said, I'd like it known that, when any of my threads do go off topic, I have no objections.
 
According to Sam Harris, the reason there are few protests in the U.S. in support of the Iranian uprising is because it's a Muslim government against a Muslim populace. If it were a Jewish government oppressing Muslim civilians, all hell would break out with protests against "Zionists committing genocide against the poor Muslim people!"

There may be some truth to that.
 
RambleTamble said:
According to Sam Harris, the reason there are few protests in the U.S. in support of the Iranian uprising is because it's a Muslim government against a Muslim populace. If it were a Jewish government oppressing Muslim civilians, all hell would break out with protests against "Zionists committing genocide against the poor Muslim people!"

There may be some truth to that.
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who's sam harris when he's home and dusted?
 
Update

Coalition forces are in position and each knows their directive.

The US is the offensive force with Israel as back-up and support.
The UK will defend the UK, the Commonwealth, and Israel, and US bases in the ME.
Jordan will remain poised to intercept IRGC missiles toward Israel.
The UAE is poised to defend itself and regional military bases, and protect the Red Line. (i.e., keep US from taking off from their military bases within the UAE. They're tiny and can't afford to become a target)

In short…

Offense: US with Israel playing second string.

Defense: the UK.

Tight-ends: Jordan and the UAE.
 
Murrmurr said:
Update

Coalition forces are in position and each knows their directive.

The US is the offensive force with Israel as back-up and support.
The UK will defend the UK, the Commonwealth, and Israel, and US bases in the ME.
Jordan will remain poised to intercept IRGC missiles toward Israel.
The UAE is poised to defend itself and regional military bases, and protect the Red Line. (i.e., keep US from taking off from their military bases within the UAE. They're tiny and can't afford to become a target)

In short…

Offense: US with Israel playing second string.

Defense: the UK.

Tight-ends: Jordan and the UAE.
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Thank you for that update.
 

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