One giant hoax

Camper6 said:
Humans are amazingly adaptable to the conditions in which they live.
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But how many? We only know how humans adapted in the past. There weren't that many of us back then. Now there's what? Around 7-1/2 billion?
 

Except that the conditions in question are not here yet.
 

Sunny said:
Sigh, I get a deja vu feeling about all this, but I'll say it yet again:

Global warming, climate change, etc. are not measured by how cold this particular winter happens to be. Temperatures go up and down all the time. Global warming is measured in geological time. The effect
on biodiversity, the melting of ice shelves, etc. takes place over centuries, maybe decades if we're extremely unlucky about it. But having a cold winter or hot summer - these prove nothing.

Want to see the actual results so far of global warming? Take a look at one of those maps of the Arctic, showing how much of it has been covered by ice since history began, and how much is ice now. Looked at historically, the ice cap is dangerously melting, endangering animal species and leaving us vulnerable to increased flooding. These are scientific facts, regardless of what the business/industrial community wishes us to believe. (Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain?)
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Its not endangering anything. The Earth has warmed up something like 1 deg C in the last century. Big deal.
 
Camper6 said:
Not even the cycle of the Earth. There is nothing natural about it.
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"Stopping fossil fuels won't do a thing to stop the natural cycle of the Earth."

Those were your words. Very confusing. You either think climate change is partly man made or only the natural cycle of the earth's climate.
 
Olivia said:
"Stopping fossil fuels won't do a thing to stop the natural cycle of the Earth."

Those were your words. Very confusing. You either think climate change is partly man made or only the natural cycle of the earth's climate.
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This is a question I ask and for which I don't get an answer. What percentage is attributed to humans?
 
Camper6 said:
This is a question I ask and for which I don't get an answer. What percentage is attributed to humans?
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You didn't get the answer to that is because that's what the argument of this thread is really all about. And no one has the answer. The only agreement for those who agree to humans being involved is that they are, but not how much. At least not any percentage I've heard about.
 
It's a pity this question has become a political football because a lot of people take their stance from the side of politics they happen to favour, and it has been kicked around and dragged out for so long that the point (what do we do about it?) might actually be moot soon.

Stephen Hawking recently said that he fears we are almost at the tipping point, where nothing we do can turn it around or slow it down and that's a pretty scary thought.
 
Leonie said:
Stephen Hawking recently said that he fears we are almost at the tipping point, where nothing we do can turn it around or slow it down and that's a pretty scary thought.
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Hawking is probably correct. While the debate over "IF" human activity is causing rising temperatures continues to rage on, the temperatures continue to slowly climb. IF there were some drastic measures that we could take, such as banning all fossil fuel use, life, as we know it would probably cease. Can you imagine a life with no cars, airplanes, or any other necessary vehicles, and very limited electrical power, etc.? Even under the best of circumstances, a transition to renewable energy, and electric vehicles, etc., would take decades, and be Extremely expensive and disruptive. That is time we probably don't have, and an expense that few would accept. All the "Paris Climate Accords" that the politicians come up with are just going to prove to be "feel good" rhetoric.

Most scientists agree that such drastic measures would need to be taken within the next couple of decades, if they were to have any real effect....Fat Chance! None of us will live long enough to feel any major effects, but those who are here 100+ years from now will be living in a different world. Most coastal cities will be inundated...a massive population shift will occur as people are forced inland...trillions of dollars of infrastructure will be lost...the list goes on.
 
As far as I'm concerned, the earth is rapidly becoming unlivable. Whether the earth is warming because of man, matters little. Does anyone remember Dr. Paul Erlich's book, "The Population Bomb" ? What he said was true then, and recent history has borne him out.

Is it going to be possible to SURVIVE ? Sure. But who wants to merely survive. Not me. I want to live and enjoy life. IMO, I can't enjoy life when I'm forced to live in a crowd. My idea of hell on earth is being on a subway that is packed with steaming humanity. If my health permitted, I'd be living where I could breathe. My idea of heaven is being in the high mountains and being 20 miles from the nearest human.

Besides, IMO the earth is packed with crazy dangerous people who want to kill everyone who does not agree with their religious/political philosophy.

Hell, I'm not convinced that we, as a species, have earned the right to live. We are making so many species extinct and killing each other over truly stupid ideas. Every time I turn on the evening news, I hear about people killing and torturing innocent people. When I hear about people like Mr and Mrs Turpin, those sick twisted, bas***ds, and what they did to their own 13 children, I just can't stand it. When did we 1st hear about those 2 evil people ? 7-10 days ago ? Damn it, I'm still teary-eyed over that.

What ever species evolves after we are gone, can't possibly be any worse than us. So, do I care about global warming ? Not one bit. I care about the innocent victims of man's inhumanity to man.
 
It's only because of the media that we get the bad news and we think things are worse.

Take World War 1 and 2 and the U.S. Civil War and how many dead do you have?
Over 100 million.

How many from global warming?
 
What's happening is climate change and _that_ is a cause behind the weather patterns we are having. That part is all around us.
The phrase "Global Warming" is a product of some Media outlets attempts to profit from real news. Anyone that swallows idiotcy that is reported as real news needs their diapers changed.

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Camper6 said:
So far have you heard of anyone severely impacted by climate change global warming or whatever?

I certainly haven't been. I would like more warmth and I'm not getting it.
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How do you define severely. Things like Sandyhook are certainly severe. But other events, those on the shoulder of being unique, are debatable if you choose to take sides. Other than that I'd have to say "Nothing's quite as sure as change."
The nub of all this is that unless you work _with_ change, change tends to bite you right where you're sitting and that can hurt.

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Camper6 said:
So far have you heard of anyone severely impacted by climate change global warming or whatever?I certainly haven't been. I would like more warmth and I'm not getting it.
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Do a little searching on what has been happening in Bangladesh in recent years...due to flooding of low lying coastal areas, and the displacement of hundreds of thousands of those people. There are probably dozens of other examples of changing weather patterns and its impact on people...if you do a little research. Search for information on how the worlds glaciers are melting at an increasing pace, and the effect that is starting to have on people who rely on this melt for their freshwater supplies...Mount Kilimanjaro in Africa, and the Himalayas in Asia....etc.

A person's individual back yard is Not a valid perspective for determining how the global weather patterns are changing.
 

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