One giant hoax

Big Horn said:
Some would move to higher ground. Those who did not would help reduce population. Since the smart and assertive would be the ones who move, it would be very positive for the future.
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Dragonlady said:
Wow! You're such a caring compassionate person:rolleyes:
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There is caring and compassion and then there is the simple plain truth. I would not choose to build my house literally on top of the San Andreas Fault. Why ? Because I have some small measure of common sense. If people choose to live in known danger zones then they can't complain when the statistical odds finally catch up with them.
 

Traveler said:
There is caring and compassion and then there is the simple plain truth. I would not choose to build my house literally on top of the San Andreas Fault. Why ? Because I have some small measure of common sense. If people choose to live in known danger zones then they can't complain when the statistical odds finally catch up with them.
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Well, you're choosing in the first place to livr in California, where sadly if the fire or floods don't get you, then earthquakes might. And you don't have to live right on top of the San Andreas Fault to have the coastline of the state to fall into the sea.

And, Big Horn, lots of rich smart assertive people live on coastlines.
 

Olivia said:
Well, you're choosing in the first place to livr in California, where sadly if the fire or floods don't get you, then earthquakes might. And you don't have to live right on top of the San Andreas Fault to have the coastline of the state to fall into the sea.
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Since I live in the heart of the city and well above flood areas, I'm in no danger of fire or flood. As for the coastline falling in the sea. I think that is the stuff of Hollywood. To be sure, there is some periodic and minor beach erosion, but I have never heard of any large chunks of coastline falling into the sea. There is a place in Oregon (I forget where) where the ocean levels rose 700 years ago and reclaimed a few hundred acres of land. Radio-carbon dating of buried trees gave scientists the date.

People who support the notion of man caused global climate change will please note that the above mentioned Oregon event happened 520 years before the 1st steam engine and 560 years before the 1st internal combustion engine and 180 years before Columbus sailed into The Caribbean Sea. Man caused ? That's a laugh.
 
The rate of sea level rise isn't a direct problem but warming of the ocean surface is. This is what fuels the big weather systems such as cyclones and hurricanes. These drive the waves against the coastline and erode the cliffs. Then it's goodbye clifftop mansion and goodbye caravan park down below.
 
OK, let's cut to the chase here. What is this really about?

Let's step back and conjecture a bit on how we would feel about climate change if it were somehow determined that it was very bad for Big Business. The stock market takes a dive with every revelation about global warming, pollution, danger to animal and plant species, etc. The ice shelf is melting and the seas are rising? Bad for business! Your chosen political party is loudly condemning climate change.

So, I put it to all those who are so hotly (sorry) denying that the obvious is taking place: how would you feel about it then?
 
This morning, there was a Tsunami warning for Alaska and much of the upper West coast....due to a major earthquake in the Gulf of Alaska. The warning was cancelled a few hours later, as the ocean waves did no reach the coast. However, there were a lot of people evacuating low lying areas...just in case. This is just the type of thing that will continue to happen more frequently, as the oceans slowly rise.
 
Warrigal said:
The rate of sea level rise isn't a direct problem but warming of the ocean surface is. This is what fuels the big weather systems such as cyclones and hurricanes. These drive the waves against the coastline and erode the cliffs. Then it's goodbye clifftop mansion and goodbye caravan park down below.
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An Irish beach that disappeared more than 30 years ago has returned to an island off the County Mayo coast.

The sand at Dooagh, Achill Island, was washed away by storms in 1984, leaving only rocks and rock pools.

But after a freak tide around Easter this year, hundreds of tonnes of sand were deposited around the area where the beach once stood, recreating the old

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/08/irish-beach-washed-away-reappears-freak-tide
 
Don M. said:
This morning, there was a Tsunami warning for Alaska and much of the upper West coast....due to a major earthquake in the Gulf of Alaska. The warning was cancelled a few hours later, as the ocean waves did no reach the coast. However, there were a lot of people evacuating low lying areas...just in case. This is just the type of thing that will continue to happen more frequently, as the oceans slowly rise.
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There is no scientific evidence for that which you have just claimed. There is no correlation between submarine earthquakes and the warming of the oceans which are for all intents and purposes minor.

The tectonic plates of the Earth move and have been moving for eons and will continue to slide and move and there's not a thing you can do about it.
 
Warrigal said:
The rate of sea level rise isn't a direct problem but warming of the ocean surface is. This is what fuels the big weather systems such as cyclones and hurricanes. These drive the waves against the coastline and erode the cliffs. Then it's goodbye clifftop mansion and goodbye caravan park down below.
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There is no scientific evidence for your claim.

These scare tactics drive me to drink.
 
Sunny said:
OK, let's cut to the chase here. What is this really about?

Let's step back and conjecture a bit on how we would feel about climate change if it were somehow determined that it was very bad for Big Business. The stock market takes a dive with every revelation about global warming, pollution, danger to animal and plant species, etc. The ice shelf is melting and the seas are rising? Bad for business! Your chosen political party is loudly condemning climate change.

So, I put it to all those who are so hotly (sorry) denying that the obvious is taking place: how would you feel about it then?
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It's good for the insurance business. Their claim is that the weather is becoming weirder so they will increase your premiums.

Which is sheer nonsense. The weather now is no weirder than it has every been.

The obvious is not taking place. All this garbage is based on computer models forecasting the future.

The warming is well within normal limits according to the IPCC.
 
Sunny said:
OK, let's cut to the chase here. What is this really about?

Let's step back and conjecture a bit on how we would feel about climate change if it were somehow determined that it was very bad for Big Business. The stock market takes a dive with every revelation about global warming, pollution, danger to animal and plant species, etc. The ice shelf is melting and the seas are rising? Bad for business! Your chosen political party is loudly condemning climate change.

So, I put it to all those who are so hotly (sorry) denying that the obvious is taking place: how would you feel about it then?
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It is not obvious to me that man is causing any change in the climate. In my 71 years I honestly can not say that I have felt any change. It is a good thing that the 1930's American dust bowl happened so long ago. If it was happening today, it would be sited as "proof positive" of global warming. The environmentalists would then be running around in circles, having hysterical fits, and crying "end of the world".

IMO the entire thing is politically motivated and spread by the same kind of people who insist on believing that the moon landings were faked, that Pres George W. Bush was behind the 9/11 attacks, and the Roswell "incident" is a gigantic government cover-up. Some people will believe anything. The bigger the lie, the more people will believe in it.

The earth, however, has been steadily warming since the end of the last ice age 15,000 years ago. But that is not the same thing as saying it is caused by man. It is a completely natural phenomenon. It has happened hundreds of times during the history of the planet and will continue to happen whether man inhabits the planet or not. Yes, the earth is very slowly warming but the hoax is that it is being caused by man.
 
Olivia said:
Can anyone tell me what the "hoaxters" hope to gain?
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Not being one of that ilk, I can not see into the strange minds of the extremists. But one thing is for certain, the people who spread the myth of man caused global warming are no friends of America. People like "Hanoi Jane", Michael Moore and Hillary Clinton detest America and everything it stands for. If they can hamstring America and give an economic advantage to their foreign pals then they are tickled pink to do so.
 
traveler said:
not being one of that ilk, i can not see into the strange minds of the extremists. But one thing is for certain, the people who spread the myth of man caused global warming are no friends of america. People like "hanoi jane", michael moore and hillary clinton detest america and everything it stands for. If they can hamstring america and give an economic advantage to their foreign pals then they are tickled pink to do so.
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omg
 
Camper6 said:
There is no scientific evidence for that which you have just claimed. There is no correlation between submarine earthquakes and the warming of the oceans which are for all intents and purposes minor. The tectonic plates of the Earth move and have been moving for eons and will continue to slide and move and there's not a thing you can do about it.
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You miss the point...this Tsunami warning was issued as a "Precautionary" action, by the authorities...since they did not know if or when a huge wave might reach shore as a result of this earthquake. The Pacific Rim is constantly experiencing earthquakes, and any low lying areas are Always at risk from such an event. Do you remember that little event from a few years ago that wiped out the Fukushima Nuclear power plant that the Japanese had built right on the shoreline, and took a massive toll in lives and infrastructure? There are several Alaskan native villages that have been largely abandoned, in recent years, due to the erosion of rising oceans, and large earthquake induced waves. Yes, the earth is constantly changing, earthquakes will continue to occur, and the melting landlocked ice will continue to cause the oceans to rise slightly, decade after decade. People need to acknowledge that these changes and events are occurring, and will continue to do so...and adjust accordingly.
 
I don't know why the topic of submarine earthquakes and the resulting tsunamis is even being discussed. Neither has the slightest thing to do with the climate.
 
Don M. said:
You miss the point...this Tsunami warning was issued as a "Precautionary" action, by the authorities...since they did not know if or when a huge wave might reach shore as a result of this earthquake. The Pacific Rim is constantly experiencing earthquakes, and any low lying areas are Always at risk from such an event. Do you remember that little event from a few years ago that wiped out the Fukushima Nuclear power plant that the Japanese had built right on the shoreline, and took a massive toll in lives and infrastructure? There are several Alaskan native villages that have been largely abandoned, in recent years, due to the erosion of rising oceans, and large earthquake induced waves. Yes, the earth is constantly changing, earthquakes will continue to occur, and the melting landlocked ice will continue to cause the oceans to rise slightly, decade after decade. People need to acknowledge that these changes and events are occurring, and will continue to do so...and adjust accordingly.
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They are a natural occurrence that has been happening for eons.

Just how much have the oceans risen in the last century or so? Enough to cause abandonment?. Nonsense.
 
I will attempt to explain, once again, why the climate of the earth changes. The precise positions of the planets, including the earth, change.

Climate changes when one or more of 3 things change, thus causing more or less sunlight to reach the earth.

1.) The earth's axis changes constantly. In other words the earth tilts. Look at it this way. We all know that in the winter, the sun does NOT ever get high in the sky. The sun is MUCH lower on the southern horizon. The lower the sun is on the horizon, the less heat is generated in the atmosphere. That is why it is colder in the winter than the summer. The tilt of the earth is NOT a constant. It changes. The greater the tilt toward the sun, the greater the amount of sunlight. Sunlight equals warmth.

2.) The earth does NOT rotate about the sun in a perfect circle. The rotation is more like an oval. This is called an elliptical orbit. When the earth is further from the sun, the atmosphere is much colder. Slight changes in the rotation of the earth around the sun have a tremendous impact on climate.

3.) The earth wobbles. It acts much like a child's top. This too impacts earths climate.

Why do those 3 events change ? I am not an astrophysicist. Those scientists may know the answer. I do not, but I accept it as fact, in the same way I accept the fact the earth is not the center of the solar system.

At the beginning of the end of the last great ice age, 20,000 years ago, the earth began to warm. It has been warming ever since. It will continue to warm until the next significant event, at which point another ice age will begin. Those changes have nothing to do with man. They are completely natural.
 
Traveler said:
I don't know why the topic of submarine earthquakes and the resulting tsunamis is even being discussed. Neither has the slightest thing to do with the climate.
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General ignorance. Plate tectonics was not part of any school curriculum for people our age and reading about it is not something most people care to do. People know about earthquakes and volcanoes but most don't really know the causes. People also use the concepts of weather and climate interchangeably without realising the differences.

This is perfectly understandable. Media articles on these subjects are usually either overly simplistic and pushing an agenda or they are scholarly and rather dry.
 
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