One giant hoax

Big Horn said:
I never heard of a GPA over 4.0. Did you mean .93?
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We did not use the 4.0 grading system - we used the 100 system. 90 to 100 is an A; 80 to 90 is a B, 70 to 80 is a c and so forth. Actually my grade was a 93.4. I graduated from Sac State with a 3.7 or 8.
 

Camper6 said:
Well here's the thing. I am not a climate change denier. I do believe in climate change and I do believe humans might contribute but they are not 100 % responsible.

From what I see of pollution we are miles ahead of what I experienced as a young person. There was no sewage treatment plants. Raw sewage was dumped in the river. No fines for dumping chemicals in streams or rivers. No scrubbers on chimneys. Nothing like that. We are much more pollution conscience and much more recycle considerate.
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Camper6 I agree with your post, a lot of truth there
 
Big Horn said:
Millions of birds are killed every year by "clean energy" windmills.
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Please cite a source for that nonsense. The science magazines show numbers of 200,000 to 400,000.

Meanwhile: "....
Wind turbines kill between 214,000 and 368,000 birds annually — a small fraction compared with the estimated 6.8 million fatalities from collisions with cell and radio towers and the 1.4 billion to 3.7 billion deaths from cats, according to the peer-reviewed study by two federal scientists and the environmental ..".

DW and I just went to the Field Museum n Chicago that had a display showing the hundreds of birds killed in a single night flying into the tall buildings with all the lights. These huge numbers happen during migrations and there is a program to try to get buildings to turn off off those roof lights during migration periods.
 

For those who don't understand how the earth changes, dramatically, and completely naturally, try to think of the BIG PICTURE.

Think about TIME. Look at the earth, beginning with the first appearance of the dinosaurs and up until today. Now, if we compress all that time into a single 24 hour period, it would look like the following. At 12:01 am the first dinosaurs walked the earth (230 million years ago).
At 5pm, the dinosaurs went extinct (65 million years ago). At 11:57 pm the 1st fully human man was born into the world.

All of the history of man, from the first attempts at writing, and up until today, took place during the LAST 3 SECONDS of our hypothetical 24 hour clock. We, mankind, have been here just 3 short ticks of that clock. No matter how we may FEEL, we are a new species here on earth.

Between the end of the dinosaurs, 65 million years ago, and today, the earth has undergone a dozen or more vast ice ages which were followed by periods of global warming. All of that took place without ANY impact from man. At the end of the most recent ice age, 16,000 B.C. the earth began warming. During that time thousands of species became extinct because they could not adapt quickly enough.

Will man survive ? Who knows? Personally I don't really care. One thing I am certain of, however, is that the earth will continue to undergo dozens of more ice ages followed by warmer periods. Species will evolve and, after a time, become extinct. The universe, including our own solar system, does not care one tiny bit about our petty lives. Cheer up, the next intelligent, sentient, creature may be much better, kinder and more loving than us.
 
Camper6 said:
Today where I live. -5 degrees below zero. F not C.

I walked 1.4 kilometers. Glad to get home.

Global warming? Where the hell is it?
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We're not having global warming here either, but it's 36 now with a predicted high of 45. This is just a tiny bit above normal. Sunday, however, it is supposed to stay in the twenties with a good chance of significant snow. It is currently raining.
 
Camper6 said:
Today where I live. -5 degrees below zero. F not C.

I walked 1.4 kilometers. Glad to get home.

Global warming? Where the hell is it?
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Texas

Highs have been in the 60s here for the past two weeks. On Wednesday the high was 77.
Plenty of warm sunshine here in North Texas. I love it !
 
I love the way people assess the overall average temperature of the planet from their own back yard on any particular day.
Makes me wonder why meteorologists bother collecting all those readings every day from so many different weather stations.
 
That is fine for local weather reports but useless for tracking global climate changes over time.
Consistency is an essential element of reliable scientific studies.
 
Yes, I read it. I consider it an example of sitting on the fence and a reason to do nothing. With the Great barrier Reef at risk I am emotionally not able to sit on the fence and continue to support fossil fuel technology. Not that I consider it feasible to eliminate all burning of fossil fuels but I do believe we can transition to much more emission free sources of energy. The global economy already moves in that direction and I am confident that the trend will continue in my lifetime and beyond.

With that in mind, I consider the argument about climate change largely passé just as the "debate" about the ill effects of tobacco smoking is now finished except in a few pockets of stubborn resistance.
 
Warrigal said:
I love the way people assess the overall average temperature of the planet from their own back yard on any particular day.
Makes me wonder why meteorologists bother collecting all those readings every day from so many different weather stations.
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Its impossible to take the global temperature of the Earth.
my backyard is all that counts.
 
Camper6 said:
Of course. So when you are making comparisons from the past did they use satellites?

Does a satellite measure the upper atmosphere or the actual temperature of the Land?


To really measure the temperature of the Earth you have to stick a thermometer into it. Are we measuring air or land or sea?
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It is my understanding that they can now measure surface temperatures of both land and sea. No idea how though.
 
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How do they measure temperature where you live?

Its a box. Sis feet high. With a thermometer in it.

A guy goes out and reads it. They are measuring the temperature of the air around you. It's no rocket science.

There are self reading monitoring stations as well.

Do you notice it always mentioned on newscasts. Temperature at the airport.
 
A Stevenson screen is a box, made of a double layer screens and it is used to shield meteorological instruments when there is precipitation or the instruments are exposed to direct heat radiation from outside sources. This shelter allows free passage of air around the temperature and humidity sensors. Most of the time the Stevenson screens is painted white to reflect the sun’s radiation.
The Stevenson Screen is one of a very few designs that is recommended by the World Meteorological Organization in their aim to provide standardized environment in which to measure weather variables.
Stevenson screens are also known as an instrument shelter, cotton region shelter, a thermometer shelter, a thermoscreen or a thermometer screen.
The screen was invented in 1864 by Thomas Stevenson.
 
I would imagine it wouldn't really matter where or how the temperatures were taken if they are always taken from the same places and then calculated somehow as a global average. If that historical average shows a consistent increase (or even decrease), no matter how small - that is climate change. We can argue on the 'causes' til the cows come home but surely the figures speak for themselves.

And yes I know that's what you've been saying Camper6, that you aren't actually a climate denier, more a 'we are the cause' denier. And I agree with you, up to a point.

I also have trouble believing we are the cause but have no trouble believing we might be contributing to it. You can throw scientific studies (no matter who they come from) at me till my head spins, but in the end, it just seems like common sense to me. Surely anything we can do to lessen that contribution should at least be considered, not just dismissed out of hand.
 
Leonie said:
I would imagine it wouldn't really matter where or how the temperatures were taken if they are always taken from the same places and then calculated somehow as a global average. If that historical average shows a consistent increase (or even decrease), no matter how small - that is climate change. We can argue on the 'causes' til the cows come home but surely the figures speak for themselves.

And yes I know that's what you've been saying Camper6, that you aren't actually a climate denier, more a 'we are the cause' denier. And I agree with you, up to a point.

I also have trouble believing we are the cause but have no trouble believing we might be contributing to it. You can throw scientific studies (no matter who they come from) at me till my head spins, but in the end, it just seems like common sense to me. Surely anything we can do to lessen that contribution should at least be considered, not just dismissed out of hand.
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The figures they throw at us? We don't know where they come from do we?

When they tell us that a record temperature was set by .01 degrees that's just hype and nonsense.

Of course we are contributing. If we don't burn fossil fuels for energy the entire economy would collapse.
 
Camper6 said:
If we don't burn fossil fuels for energy the entire economy would collapse.
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Like I said, I agree with you - up to a point. That's the point where we differ.

And strangely enough, I don't even disagree totally with you here either. Yes, our economy is too tied up with coal, and we should have been doing something earlier, but it's never too late to start.

In some ways, we already have, - more efficient cars, 'cleaner' power stations (if such a thing exists), and less power-hungry appliances. It's only our Governments that are loath to do anything - too heavily reliant on coal - and some of them far too personally involved.

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