One reason why having a university degree isn't necessary for every single politician

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We have a recently elected senator who was the butt of many jokes at first but he has proved to be a quick learner and has made some significant speeches on important issues.

Our government is proposing to pass legislation denying young people any unemployment benefits for a period of six months.
Senator Ricky Muir now has talked about his time as an unemployed teen. He at least has some idea what that means.

Take it from me: We can't afford to crush young people's employment hopes

Date March 2, 2015 Ricky Muir

My resume does not read like most politicians'. I left school at 15 and moved out of home soon after. This is the first time I've revealed these details in public, and my hope is that my story will highlight how crushing it is to be young and unemployed in Australia.

When I left school in 1996, I was really desperate to find a job. I needed money to put food on the table and pay the rent, or I would have been out on the streets. I applied for many, many entry-level jobs – including abattoir work – near where I lived in Gippsland, but I couldn't catch a break for a long time. It was soul-destroying. At times, tears were shed. I did not have the financial support of my parents who were facing their own challenges, so I had to rely on Centrelink payments for more than a year.

Although I did land my first job – working in manufacturing in Melbourne – when I was 17, the experience of being a teenager and jobless was a very challenging time in my life. It only takes a couple of knock-backs from jobs to bring your morale down.

I definitely know what it's like to build your way from nothing. I know the challenges that young people in similar situations today face. In country towns around Australia, it's especially hard for young people because there isn't the public transport to even get you to a job interview if you don't have access to a car – or parents who will drive you.

I want to put it on the record that I completely object to the idea that "young people are lazy". That's a lazy stereotype and does not fit the young unemployed people I talk to. Of course, it's really important to focus on trying hard to find a job, but much more than a "good attitude" is needed these days to land even an entry-level job. I tried hard, but I still found it tough to get work as an early school-leaver without work experience, qualifications or personal contacts.

My message to policy makers is to put themselves in the shoes of the young people looking for work.

With youth unemployment soaring – more than a quarter of a million aged 15 to 24 remain unemployed – the big push seems to be for people to go to university. But one size does not fit all. I think that well-structured programs in the community that help jobless youth build transitional skills to get into the workforce are very important for those not suited to higher study. I am not a fan of all work-for-the-dole schemes, either, but I did benefit from one well-run community based program that was established when John Howard was prime minister.

I'd be the first person to also stick my hand up and say that I've had a great opportunity being elected to the Senate. I am now 34 years old, and I did not go to university like most people my age who enter politics. I have worked my way through a series of manual occupations. The main part of my working life has been in the tannery and timber industries, where I worked hard to achieve leading hand, shop steward and supervisory roles. But the businesses where I worked in both industries suffered downturns. So, there have been other, shorter periods in my life when I've been working as a casual and had my hours cut, or I've been out of work entirely, which put great strain on my wife and five children. I remember one time, in my 20s, applying for a job in a florist's shop to boost our income – I didn't even score an interview.

The growing unemployment problem in Australia was further amplified for me when I was confirmed as a senator but had to wait about nine months to take up the role officially. I ended up not having an on-going job to fill that gap. I found myself unemployed again, this time in my 30s. The bills didn't pay themselves and I applied for anything and everything before I got work through a contact at a small timber mill near home.

My life experiences have taught me – the hard way – that unemployment is a big challenge in the community. Young people without work experience, skills or qualifications are particularly hit in tough economic times. Youth unemployment is a local and a national problem that we need to respond to, and the Youth Unemployment Monitor published by the Brotherhood of St Laurence today should serve as a wake-up call to everyone.
We can't afford as an economy, let alone a society, to crush the hopes of the next generation.

Ricky Muir is a senator for Victoria. This is an edited version of the foreword to the Youth Unemployment Monitor.

We need to hear all of the voices, not just the privileged few who are able to attend university.
 

so Jim they are using their MBA's.......moving burgers around....
 

Technology and Automation are taking more and more manufacturing jobs away from people every year. The young, inexperienced workers are usually the hardest hit. Couple this with ever growing populations, and I often wonder just how people in the future are going to be able to support themselves. Half the college degrees...especially in the Liberal Arts...are hardly worth the paper they are written on. This just feeds the growing disparity in wealth that is occurring all over the globe.

I would probably be a Plus, if we had some politicians who came from the Real World...and not just those who come from a wealthy, "protected" background....however, so long as Money rules in Politics, that is unlikely to happen.
 
I LOVE my Liberal Arts degree... It allowed me to be exposed to so many different concepts and disciplines.. Sociology, Philosophy, Art History, Psychology, world history, language... SO grateful to at least have had the exposure, however brief..

That said.. I was smart enough to know that a Lib Arts degree wouldn't pay my bills... SO I also have a BSN.. Which has allowed me to make decent money and secure my future.. without my nursing degree, I would be looking at a rather austere retirement with limited options. Nursing the meat and potatoes... Lib arts the desert. not necessary, but oh so nice to have.

On a side note... My very oldest dearest friend has a PHD in Social Work and has never made more than $40,000 a year.. So I think one has to really research the marketability of the area chosen to study. A Doctorate.. and she is retiring with nothing but a small SS check.. She's happy though... AND writing a book.. lol!!
 
College can't hurt but most don't even keep up with literature & information on their major. Doctors and lawyers tend to be the only college graduates that are forced to keep up on their specialty. Every now and then I remember something or see why they taught it. But most are not well read, they don't keep up or continue their education and that's the problem, the ignorance and the arrogance to think they learned all they needed to know in college sometimes decadeS ago.
 
College can't hurt but most don't even keep up with literature & information on their major. Doctors and lawyers tend to be the only college graduates that are forced to keep up on their specialty. Every now and then I remember something or see why they taught it. But most are not well read, they don't keep up or continue their education and that's the problem, the ignorance and the arrogance to think they learned all they needed to know in college sometimes decadeS ago.

Not so... I have to complete a specified number of Continuing Education Units (CEU's) in order to maintain my license. So does my Husband who is a Registered Respiratory Therapist..
 
Not so... I have to complete a specified number of Continuing Education Units (CEU's) in order to maintain my license. So does my Husband who is a Registered Respiratory Therapist..

Your in the medical industry that requires a license.(Does employer give,pay or reimburse for new training?) I have had jobs pay for training, certifications and/or licenses. License requirements are law which means the training is not from employee initiative. Many jobs don't require a license. Actually a lot of jobs once you have it you are in as-is until you leave.
 
Your in the medical industry that requires a license.(Does employer give,pay or reimburse for new training?) I have had jobs pay for training, certifications and/or licenses. License requirements are law which means the training is not from employee initiative. Many jobs don't require a license. Actually a lot of jobs once you have it you are in as-is until you leave.


They provide a Website go to so we can complete CEUs.. and they are free. But my husband has to pay for his.. He gets them through the trade publications for his field. They don't pay to renew our licenses... we pay for that.
 
I suppose the argument can be made that all a politician needs is common sense.. and hopefully be well read and versed on certain things.. Like for example simple Geography.. It would be a plus if they knew where a foreign country was located.. I've heard a few that don't seem to. OR something like World History.. I would think that would be beneficial in dealing with current events... ya know.. to understand the history leading up to them.. AND perhaps an understanding of Cultures and Sociology... that might help in dealing with people of all walks of life... THEN basic civics... or political science... that might be good to understand before getting into politics.. SO... no.. Perhaps a degree is not necessary... but how do we know that the person we are electing is well read and has all these things in his/her arsenal? just sayin'
 
but how do we know that the person we are electing is well read and has all these things in his/her arsenal? just sayin'

We don't. It's always a case of buying a pig in a poke but character, passion and experience need to be examined as well as formal education.

A couple of our more successful prime ministers did not have formal education qualifications. One, a WWII leader, was a former train driver. More recently Paul Keating left school at 15 but arguably he was one of the finest treasurers we've ever had and went on to be a prime minister who in retrospect has been judged to have done a good job. He learned about economics by talking and listening to economists. The rest, the politics, he learned by experience.
 
Taking into account that they are phasing out high school history and no longer require it to get a degree from a university is inherent to the state we find ourselves in today. Young adults can't spell, can't put a string of words together to make a coherent sentence, can't count change back to you from the drive through window at McDonald's, stand and look at you when you hand them $10.28 for a $6.28 bill much less that you actually want to pay in cash and couldn't tell you what continent Belize is in.

They can text at lightening speed, thinks 'LOL' has always been in Webster's dictionary, can't add 3 numbers together without an app and don't get me started on their atrocious hand writing. One wonders how our young leaders will cope if a disaster shuts down our electronic infrastructure. I think a combination of experience, common sense and well rounded learning are utmost important to me when I make my decision of whom to vote for and not what PAC they are committed to.

My grandson gave me a bewildered look when I was driving him through a local area and for conversation sake I was telling him about the history of the area. He finally got exasperated and said, 'Grandpa' you're boring me to death, I couldn't care less about history.' He in his 4th out of 6 years at college and should graduate with honors in Engineering. I looked at him and quoted Edmund Burke, 'Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it.'
 
One wonders how our young leaders will cope if a disaster shuts down our electronic infrastructure
"In the Kingdom of the Blind the one eyed man is King" ?
Have you ever seen or read The Admirable Crighton ?

I had to look up Belize. It's not a country that many Australians would know about but thanks to this forum and Dr Google I now know that it is in Central America.
 
"In the Kingdom of the Blind the one eyed man is King" ?
Have you ever seen or read The Admirable Crighton ?

No haven't seen the show or read the book, I had to look it up on IMDB. So touche. Looks interesting but I'll probably have to read the book, since it's not on Netflix. It's along the same lines as 'Lord of the Flies' I did read that one. For me in case of a disaster my money will be on McGiver and whether he has a degree or not will not enter into my decision to be in his camp. Why I mentioned Belize, all the website articles seem to have it listed as one of the best foreign locations to retire to. I still like the Pacific northwest even though we are going to slide into the ocean.
 
The Admirable Crighton is a 3 act play. I suggest you try to locate the film starring Kenneth More and Diane Cilento.
It's a bit like Downton Abbey meets Lord of the Flies but is a very gentle treatment of the English class system and who gets to lead when the system breaks down. It could raise questions about academic elites vs people with valuable practical and other life skills.
 


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