Only Cowards Blow-up Airliners

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224 people lost their lives and a bomb aboard a Russian plane planted there by an ISIS operative is suspected. After the safety board swabs the parts from the wreckage for gunpowder, then they will know for certain if a bomb aboard brought the plane down. You have no idea how this really ticks me off. BTW, Greg Feith, who is a former NTSB investigator is one of the best in the business, along with John Cox from the FAA.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ru...ce-recorder-working-egyptian-official-n458936
 

The problem is that groups like ISIS, Boko Harem and the like don't really recognize - or care - that they are considered cowards. By their way of thinking they are patriots.
 

We who have grown up with what is deemed ethics and morals find it "cowardly" to plant a bomb on a plane taking innocent lives. We find it cowardly to strap an explosive vest to a child or a lady and send them off to blow up not only themselves but innocents. We find it cowardly to stand behind a person tied to a chair, unable to move in any direction, and cut off his head. We who do so have not been raised in a thousands of years old culture that looks on acts such as these not as cowardly, but as necessary and required by the God we worship.
There are those who would similarly say they find it cowardly to drop bombs from 20,000 feet that take out terrorist cells and cause collateral damage. Some will argue we who fight terrorism effect just as much carnage... or more... than the terrorists themselves.
My take is that this world will never see everyone living side by side in peace and contentment. We will always have some one, some group, some religion, some political agenda taking innocent lives in the name of greed, power, religion, etc. Today's life/death issue on God's Green Earth is a rising wave of Islamic fundamentalism that believes anyone who does not worship exactly as they is an infidel and is to be put to death. And, there is no way to politely talk these people out of a religion and belief instilled since birth. They recruit, they indoctrinate, they murder, they perform "cowardly" acts... and will until they either succeed in world-wide "success" or are all sent to "Allahville" in the sky.
 
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They recruit, they indoctrinate, they murder, they perform "cowardly" acts... and will until they either succeed in world-wide "success" or are all sent to "Allahville" in the sky.
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Don't forget the number of virgins
 
Grumpy Ol' Man said:
My take is that this world will never see everyone living side by side in peace and contentment. We will always have some one, some group, some religion, some political agenda taking innocent lives in the name of greed, power, religion, etc
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Yes, will always be this way- tis human nature.
 
It's beginning to look like someone....probably a member of the airport ground crew...put a bomb on this airliner. They can screen passengers all they want, but if an airport employee decides to "join" ISIS, current procedures and rules would Not stop such a lunatic. Rather than concentrating on patting down Grandmothers, some of these airports better do a better job of monitoring their employees.
 
Dave Barry once wrote something to the effect that at the end of days, when we've destroyed the earth and humans have obliterated each other...the one celled Israeli and Palestinian microbes will still be taking pot shots at each other. Not satire, spot on truth.

We also have consider airport security. I don't know how much has changed since back in the day. But as far as I know they still use contract security agencies. I used to work for Wells Fargo and several other of those companies. Mall cops get paid more than contract security. No benefits, no unions..."at will" so they can fire you for no reason at all. Those are the folks first line protecting people from terrorists.

It might have gotten a bit better. My son was a baggage checker some years back. The stress they are under for what they are paid is ridiculous. The hours are nuts and they do regular tests to see if a simulated weapon or bomb gets through the gate. You're screening a few hundred, a few thousand people all day and the pretend bomb is in a makeup case...after seven hours of the same repetitive bag viewing are you going to catch it? Or are you wondering if you should just get a job at Poppa John's with your cousin? Next time you're brave enough to fly take a look at some of the people working there...don't know, don't care...
 
Dick Cheney

As V.P., Cheney was asked straight-out during an interview, why such great inconveniences had been placed on air travelers; was it really necessary? He replied it obviously must have been necessary, there had been not one single Domestic terrorist act after 9-1-1, thus proving the need. FWIW. imp
 
Don M. said:
It's beginning to look like someone....probably a member of the airport ground crew...put a bomb on this airliner. They can screen passengers all they want, but if an airport employee decides to "join" ISIS, current procedures and rules would Not stop such a lunatic. Rather than concentrating on patting down Grandmothers, some of these airports better do a better job of monitoring their employees.
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That might be an excellent point Don. My husband used to have a window cleaning company that for a year or two, did business at Vancouver's airport and I seem to remember that any of the guys who worked there had to be fully bonded to go behind the scenes, but maybe detectors and screeners should be there for those guys too?
 
Debby said:
That might be an excellent point Don. My husband used to have a window cleaning company that for a year or two, did business at Vancouver's airport and I seem to remember that any of the guys who worked there had to be fully bonded to go behind the scenes, but maybe detectors and screeners should be there for those guys too?
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I can only speak as to what goes on here in the U.S. All airline and airport personnel must have clearances, which are done through the FBI. When airport personnel report to work they must past through both x-ray and bomb making residue checking machines. All flight personnel pass through pre-board screening in a different line than passengers, but are still subject to having their carry-on luggage x-ray'd and/or opened for inspection. Their person is also screened for any bomb making residue and also walk through a metal detector. All baggage in the U.S. is always x-ray'd before being stowed. There were times when I had my hands wiped for powder residue, especially when flying out of New York.

Some foreign countries do not have the requirements that we have here in the U.S. There are some countries that I would never fly to or through. The Mid-East would be at the top of my list. The FAA and TSA have very stringent rules for pre-boarding. I know it's a pain to have to pass through the lines, but as more sophisticated equipment is developed, the process is becoming easier. Several airports now do not require the removal of shoes or the removal of laptops from their cases.
 
What gets me is that on the news they say that there are many Americans going over and joining ISIS and Al Quieda.......I can't figure that one out.
 
You're right, oldman. Cowards perform a lot of inhumane acts. Too many to mention.
 
I would hope to think that just about everyone gets verrrry pissed off, angry and shocked when a plane is blown up by terrorist activity but I can understand you as an airline Pilot feeling it more keenly Oldman .


I got on a plane just one week after the Russian bombing..and although the security was strict it wasn't any stricter than it had been 2 weeks before when we flew out..and I had to try like many on the plane I suspect , not to think about what happened or we'd probably not have got on the plane home.

Today my daughter is in the middle of a 15 hour flight from Australia to Dubai....the first stop before transfers to 2 other flights on her onward journey which will take a total of 36 hours....My heart is pumping with anxiety!!
 

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