Osteo-arthritis, HELP

[AprilT]

darling pic HFL Yes, anti-inflammatory foods, I need to look further into those for myself as well. I still get a minor ache here and there. I can't be sure how far it could go if I leave it, ignore it, so I am constantly trying for the best foods I can get hold of ty much, denise

I just read the thread with great interest, and thought about what HFL said, so I too may revamp my diet again, I hadn't given thought to how much tomato sauce I consume, I may have to rethink my usage. Anyway, I'm including a link for food source info on anti-inflammatory foods and the ones likely to cause inflammation. Like some others, I've tried most everything else mentioned including pool therapies, but my body is so messed up it made it worse. And the steroid injections, will have to stop at some point, so if a change to my diet might help, I'm game. I've thought about doing so before, but, I'm going to see if I can at least make some changes that may help and not hurt. Also important is losing some weight if one carries more than one should, but, easier said than done, I seem to keep yoyoing though I try very hard in this area.

http://nutrition.about.com/od/dietsformedicaldisorders/a/antiinflamfood.htm

http://www.health24.com/Medical/Art...itis-with-the-Anti-Inflammatory-Diet-20130819

other fyi

http://www.arthritistoday.org/about-arthritis/types-of-arthritis/osteoarthritis/treatment-plan/

 

[d0ug]

I know it is every ones choice what they do but it is nice to have the information first. A lot of pain killers have devastating effect on the liver or digestion system. Steroids work my stopping the immune system response. There are people who have had to have the knees and hips done over again because they get lose. They get lose because the cause was not dealt with. A Basket ball player named Theo Ratliff who after 5 years into his corer was told his knees and joints were finished and to retire. He found a Naturopath Doctor which help him rebuild his knees and in 6 months he returned to basket ball made many millions of dollars and retired the second oldest player.

 

[chic]

If doctors are not making her any better she could try borage oil supplements. These are super omega 3s derived from vegetable matter and are said by some to have superior anti inflammatory benefits to those derived from fish oil.

Arnica also comes in tablet form and can be taken orally. Arnica cream - known as Arnicare - can be massaged into the affected joints to reduce pain and swelling. I can persoanlly vouch for this product because I use it all the time for injuries.

Orange essential oil is very effective for relieving symptoms of arthritis. Mix a few drops of orange essential oil into a tsp. of castor oil and massage into the affected area.

Bathing in epsom salts, especially the kind scented with vanilla helps draw toxins out of the body and soothes arthritis pain which the vanilla scent calms the mind with adds in reduction of inflammation.

Yoga and Tai Chi. Tai Chi is a great gentle exercise. Stretching is important for arthritis. Keeps those joints moving and flexible.

These are relatively inexpensive things for your sister to try and I wish her best luck with this problem.

 

[Butterfly]

Joint replacements

Most people who have joint replacement usual have to get another because the problem is a deficiency of nutriments the body needs to repair the joints. The bad hip or knee is not the disease but a symptom of the disease treating symptoms do not fix the underlying problem. Harvard Medical said in 2002 that knee and hip replacement we useless.

I completely disagree with the idea that the replacements are "useless." In my case, they are near miraculous. I'd also point out that the Haravard Medical statement is 14 years old, and there have been huge improvements just in the last four years. They've refined the replacement process and the implants to where it isn't such a big deal (2 nights in the hospital for me) and very little post surgical pain. And you're up and around immediately -- carefully, but you are up and around.

AND, until a cure is found for OA, I'll sure go for treating the symptoms. The heads of both my femurs were "mush" (highly technical medical term - HAHA) and it was either replace the joints or get a wheelchair. OA runs in my family -- I'm normal body weight and have always been a sort of a health nut, regular exercise, good diet, supplements, etc., no other medical issues, and I still got it. For some folks it may be a deficiency in nutrients, but in my case (and my mother's and my sister's and my neice's) it is familial and age. I tried all the natural stuff and all the theories and alternative stuff for several years, without results. Some times that stuff helps, sometimes it doesn't.

The new hips have literally given me my life back. I've gone from being barely able to go to the bathroom even with my walker, to being able to do anything I want, without pain. And I didn't have to do any steroid injections or that stuff. Ortho guy took one look at my x-rays, said the medical equivalent of "Holy s**t!" and scheduled me for surgery.

It's wonderful to live without that grinding, crippling pain!

 

[QuickSilver]

Good for you Butterfly!! I'm happy you were able to get relief... Of course no one WANTS to have double hip replacements.. it's a pretty big deal... but I see lots of folks with the results you describe. Yes.. there have been big improvements in the prosthetics being used.. not only for hips.. but knees and now I'm seeing ankles being done more.. Very good news for folks suffering with any type of DJD (degenerative joint disease)

 

[oldman]

I also agree with Butterfly. We probably all know someone that has had a knee or hip replacement with much success. Mr friend had his hip and knee replaced. His surgeon told him the he'd rather do 100 hips, rather than 1 knee replacement. Can't quite figure that one out. My friend does great and in fact, he officiates high school basketball.

 

[d0ug]

I completely disagree with the idea that the replacements are "useless." In my case, they are near miraculous. I'd also point out that the Haravard Medical statement is 14 years old, and there have been huge improvements just in the last four years. They've refined the replacement process and the implants to where it isn't such a big deal (2 nights in the hospital for me) and very little post surgical pain. And you're up and around immediately -- carefully, but you are up and around.

AND, until a cure is found for OA, I'll sure go for treating the symptoms. The heads of both my femurs were "mush" (highly technical medical term - HAHA) and it was either replace the joints or get a wheelchair. OA runs in my family -- I'm normal body weight and have always been a sort of a health nut, regular exercise, good diet, supplements, etc., no other medical issues, and I still got it. For some folks it may be a deficiency in nutrients, but in my case (and my mother's and my sister's and my neice's) it is familial and age. I tried all the natural stuff and all the theories and alternative stuff for several years, without results. Some times that stuff helps, sometimes it doesn't.

The new hips have literally given me my life back. I've gone from being barely able to go to the bathroom even with my walker, to being able to do anything I want, without pain. And I didn't have to do any steroid injections or that stuff. Ortho guy took one look at my x-rays, said the medical equivalent of "Holy s**t!" and scheduled me for surgery.

It's wonderful to live without that grinding, crippling pain!

You can not fix joints with drug and surgery. The cure was found by veterinarians years ago it is called nutrition and because your doctor who knows nothing about nutrition and everything about drug will not tell you there is an alternative. There are thousands of people who have rebuilt their knees, hips with nutrition but they did not get that information from an MD. Cortisone, prednisone, pain killers do not build cartilage and bone nutrition does.

 

[QuickSilver]

The average joint prostesis lasts about 15-20 years.. so depending on your age.. YES... the joint is fixed. They can loosen over time.. but that is due to wear and tear on the bone..or failure of the cement used to secure it, not due to Osteo. Remember.. Osteo Arthritis is a JOINT disease..under the umbrella of DJD (degenerative joint disease) not a bone disease as osteoporosis or other osteopathies. Removing the joint and replacing it with a prosthetic one CURES it..at least in that joint. There is however the risk that other joints could become affected and need to be replaced.

As for other remedies... Perhaps some relief may be obtained with anti-inflamatory foods, depending on how much damage has been done to the joint, but once the cartilage and senovial fluid are gone.. they are not likely to be rebuilt by eating your veggies.. or whatever..

 

[d0ug]

The average joint prostesis lasts about 15-20 years.. so depending on your age.. YES... the joint is fixed. They can loosen over time.. but that is due to wear and tear on the bone..or failure of the cement used to secure it, not due to Osteo. Remember.. Osteo Arthritis is a JOINT disease..under the umbrella of DJD (degenerative joint disease) not a bone disease as osteoporosis or other osteopathies. Removing the joint and replacing it with a prosthetic one CURES it..at least in that joint. There is however the risk that other joints could become affected and need to be replaced.

As for other remedies... Perhaps some relief may be obtained with anti-inflamatory foods, depending on how much damage has been done to the joint, but once the cartilage and senovial fluid are gone.. they are not likely to be rebuilt by eating your veggies.. or whatever..

When you say the they get lose is because the cause was not addressed. replacing a joint does not cure the disease it address the symptom of the disease. You can regrow cartilage even if your doctor said you can't. If you want to learn more let me know because I have a doctor who says you don't need to suffer with these problems.
I had bad knee shoulder and hips the doctor told me I needed surgery on my shoulder and I ask how would that fix my hip he said we will do that surgery late. I left his office and started to do research now pain free in all joints and can out work some one 20 years younger.

 

[QuickSilver]

When you say the they get lose is because the cause was not addressed. replacing a joint does not cure the disease it address the symptom of the disease. You can regrow cartilage even if your doctor said you can't. If you want to learn more let me know because I have a doctor who says you don't need to suffer with these problems.
I had bad knee shoulder and hips the doctor told me I needed surgery on my shoulder and I ask how would that fix my hip he said we will do that surgery late. I left his office and started to do research now pain free in all joints and can out work some one 20 years younger.

Thanks for the offer... but I'm satisfied with my knowledge.

 

[oldman]

I am going to be hitting the "research" today, harder then ever. My sister might kill me if she sees this, but I have to find all I can on how to treat this, damn disease. She has it, and yesterday, I saw her trying to get out of her chair, then when she made it, she could hardly walk or stand erect. She is just 72, and I can't just watch this happen (get worse and worse) without trying all I can to find answers. She said the reason it was so bad yesterday was because she had stood in the kitchen baking 2 pies. She says the standing in one place makes her the worst.

So any helpful info, links, experience with the disease, will be welcome here. I know about gelatin and she is on that, she drinks a tablespoon a day. She can't afford a lot of things that are out there.

denise

Hey Denise....A few years ago, I was having all kinds of pain in my joints and to some degree, my muscles as well. Long story short, I went through a myriad of tests and the doctor diagnosed me with having PMR. I was on steroids for awhile and that helped, but a person cannot stay on them forever. So, when I stopped taking the meds, the pain came back only worse. I went to the doctor on Monday morning and I had to go have a bunch of blood work and x-rays taken, which I did that afternoon. I was gone all day yesterday and when I got home late last night my wife said the doctor called and said that I have Osteoarthritis. I asked my wife how many more pills would I have to take and she said the doctor told her to tell me that I should take two extra strength Tylenol twice a day for now, until my next visit in three weeks. Probably at that time, she will change my meds.

 

[QuickSilver]

Unfortunately there is NO cure for Osteo.. It's basically caused by wear and tear in the major joints. The cartilage is worn away, the synovial fluid is gone and bone rubs on bone causing boney spurs and pain. Anti-inflamatories help.. such as NSAIDs, Tylenol..Alieve..Naprosen (non-steroidal anti-inflamatory drugs) but after long use they can cause stomach damage and kidney or liver damage. My husband gets good relief from Ultram.. which is a prescription med and mild narcotic. The stronger more affective Steroids work better but long term steroid use has it's own set of problems. Sometimes steroids are injected directly into the joint, but relief is temporary. So actually, joint replacement for those failing all other forms of treatment is seems to bring the most and longest relief. Most joint replacemtns can last a lifetime OR 20-30 years whichever comes first. Over time though.. again due to wear and tear they can loosen and may have to be revised. And of course there is always the risk of postoperative infection... not huge, but it happens. Again... there is no cure for Osteo. .. no special diet.. that will stop the process.

 

[d0ug]

There is no drug that will cure it you are right but nutrition can reverse it and make it go away. I know I suffered with it for years and now pain free. Anti-inflammatory prevent you from realizing the problem until it get so bad you need surgery also in the mean time your liver is being destroyed by the NSAID's
Medical doctors have no drugs that can help but naturopaths using nutrition can.

 

[QuickSilver]

There is no drug that will cure it you are right but nutrition can reverse it and make it go away. I know I suffered with it for years and now pain free. Anti-inflammatory prevent you from realizing the problem until it get so bad you need surgery also in the mean time your liver is being destroyed by the NSAID's
Medical doctors have no drugs that can help but naturopaths using nutrition can.

Unfortunately... nutrition will NOT regrow lost cartilage. But I agree... the mind can do powerful things if you believe something strongly enough.

 

[d0ug]

Sorry but it can regrow cartilage Dr Wallach has had patients who have regrown cartilage on artificial joints. Which pissed off the doctors.
I had the cartilage removed from a sports accident and by xray the cartilage is there now.

 

[QuickSilver]

This would be great is it were true.. Unlike bone.. cartilage is avascular (no or few blood vessels) It does not regenerate as bone does.. This is why after a certain age,(usually after 40) if a person tears their meniscus..(knee cartilage) it is not repaired.. it is simply trimmed to aleviate the pain. Since nutrients are carried by blood.. and cartilage has NO or little blood supply... nutrition cannot regrow cartilage. It's simple physiology.

 

[d0ug]

How did cartilage grow in the first place it was not that big when I was born. It is obvious that it grows if given the right nutriments and that is not drugs. You can remove the meniscus and if you leave a stem cell behind it can be regrown if given the right nutriments.

 

[QuickSilver]

How did cartilage grow in the first place it was not that big when I was born. It is obvious that it grows if given the right nutriments and that is not drugs. You can remove the meniscus and if you leave a stem cell behind it can be regrown if given the right nutriments.

http://www.eorthopod.com/articular-cartilage-problems-of-the-knee/topic/60

Cartilage lacks a supply of blood or lymph vessels, which normally nourish other parts of the body. Without a direct supply of nourishment, cartilage is not able to heal itself if it gets injured. If the cartilage is torn all the way down to the bone, however, the blood supply from inside the bone is sometimes enough to start some healing inside the lesion. In cases like this, the body will form a scar in the area using a special type of cartilage called fibrocartilage. Fibrocartilage is a tough, dense, fibrous material that helps fill in the torn part of the cartilage. Yet it's not an ideal replacement for the smooth, glassy articular cartilage that normally covers the surface of the knee joint.

You obviously did not regrow your cartilage... you grew scar tissue.. and this will cause problems down the line.

 

[d0ug]

When you ask a surgeon how to cure some thing it is surgery if you ask a doctor how to cure something it is a drug. This is what a surgeon believes because he does surgery. How come they don't do knee replacements on cow,pig, and other farm animals because the vet. knows how to fix it with nutrition. This web site was not for rebuilding joints it was to talk you into surgery. I know you do not want to see or hear what a Doctor who fixes these problems wants to say.

 

[Debby]

Unrefined cold pressed virgin coconut oil, turmeric (curcumin) spice, and omega 3 fish oil will all help with the inflammation of arthritis. Beneficial supplements are MSM for inflammation pain, vitamin k2 to help calcium stay in the bones and out of the arteries, magnesium malate and vitamin D3.

I was looking to see if anyone recommended turmeric and voila, there you are SeaBreeze! Don't forget to include the black pepper though when you recommend it otherwise the benefit is apparently minimal.

 

[Debby]

When you ask a surgeon how to cure some thing it is surgery if you ask a doctor how to cure something it is a drug. This is what a surgeon believes because he does surgery. How come they don't do knee replacements on cow,pig, and other farm animals because the vet. knows how to fix it with nutrition. This web site was not for rebuilding joints it was to talk you into surgery. I know you do not want to see or hear what a Doctor who fixes these problems wants to say.

They don't do knee replacements on animals because it's 'a waste of money', they'll just be killed anyway. "Put them on the truck and drag them off if need be".

 

[QuickSilver]

I have no problem with people using good nutrition.. some foods may help reduce inflamation, but they don't cure anything, and it certainly doesn't hurt. Herbal remedies are ok provided you are 100% sure what you are getting.. There's not much regulation on what's in the bottle. But don't expect miracles from it. It's not going to grow your cartilage back and cure your Osteo.. but it won't hurt you.. so I guess it's up to you what you do. Doug.. you can argue all you want... but you CANNOT dispute anatomy and physiology... There is no curative blood supply in cartilage.. that goes away after childhood.. and growth stops. People after 40 simply do not have it. You can't change that.. and you can't argue it away.

 

[QuickSilver]

Sorry but it can regrow cartilage Dr Wallach has had patients who have regrown cartilage on artificial joints. Which pissed off the doctors.
I had the cartilage removed from a sports accident and by xray the cartilage is there now.

Did a tiny bit of research... Doug.. DR Wallach is a Veterinarian AND A SCAM ARTIST!! Please be careful.. he is trying to sell a product.. and it has potential dangers.. Don't be fooled.. He's a charleton.


http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/DSH/colloidalminerals.html

http://www.veterinarywatch.com/Wallach.htm

http://nutra-smart.net/al.htm#arthritis

During his DDDL presentation, Wallach refers to a study which found that chicken cartilage cured arthritis. The study to which he was referring involved patients with Rheumatoid Arthritis (RA); an autoimmune disease that is very different and less common than osteoarthritis (which is caused by wear and tear on the joints). Wallach conveniently didn't mention this.

The bottom line is that taking type II collagen may result in mild improvements in a minority of RA sufferers, though will be useless (no better than a placebo) in most, will be far less effecive than most standard treatments, and may actually do more harm than good in many people. I don't have a problem with people trying things like this so long as they make an informed decision about it, though Wallach deliberately distorts the truth to offer false hope to many people suffering from Osteoarthritis (a completely different disease) in order to make money from their desperation and vulnerability

Wallach and his company deliberately target people with little or no scientific background who are easy to mislead when it comes to matters of science. Most people have little understanding of how scientific methodologies are used to establish cause and effect, and it would be a very long and boring explanation to describe it in more detail. Suffice it to say, we need to look at all the evidence, not just part of it, before we make a conclusion about something. The simplest way to study the effects that food substances have on our health is to do so in the laboratory, either by inoculating cell cultures with food extracts, or by feeding them to rodents who have been either genetically bread to have a disease condition similar to that experienced in humans, or exposed to conditions enabling it to become diseased. These types of studies are cheap and easy, but what happens in the laboratory rarely happens the same way out in the real world. For example, some time ago I tested the effect that cocoa extract would have on leukemia cells (see pictures below that I took of them). As it turns out, it inhibited their growth and affected their shape (morphology) in a way , suggesting it was killing them through necrosis. This certainly doesn't mean that chocolate is a cure for cancer, as many other things (including urine!) would also inhibit cancer growth in cell culture studies.

 

[d0ug]

You can find all kinds of misinformation on the web. As far as some research you used is quackwatch most alternative medical practitioner are gad to be written up by this guy it means they are going a good job. I posted this before
[h=2]the real quack is on the run[/h]

For the people who use quack watch as a bible the end is near.
http://www.bolenreport.com/feature_a...complaint2.htm​

If you look through medical websites trying to find cures you will be disappointed.
Number on caused of death
http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/de...-the-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-the-u-s/
Number one cause of bankruptcy
http://www.cnbc.com/id/100840148
And no one dies from vitamins , minerals.

 

[QuickSilver]

You can find all kinds of misinformation on the web. As far as some research you used is quackwatch most alternative medical practitioner are gad to be written up by this guy it means they are going a good job. I posted this before
the real quack is on the run

For the people who use quack watch as a bible the end is near.
http://www.bolenreport.com/feature_a...complaint2.htm​

If you look through medical websites trying to find cures you will be disappointed.
Number on caused of death
http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/de...-the-third-leading-cause-of-death-in-the-u-s/
Number one cause of bankruptcy
http://www.cnbc.com/id/100840148
And no one dies from vitamins , minerals.

Just be careful.... the guy is a quack....Chicken cartilage in orange juice is not going to do a thing for you. If your symptoms get worse.. see a real doctor.. That's all I can tell you.. the choice is yours.