Osteo-arthritis, HELP

I wish you all the best and hope you are never a victim of the medical system.
 

I think it would be interesting to know the truth about how many folks are dying due to prescription meds addiction, or just from too many pills, not to mention botched surgeries. The truth is out there, but I have to believe, for just one thing, a person has the right to their choice of medicines. Right now, I have no choice to see a naturoropath, or a chiropractor. I am forced to go to doctors that continue to "try" and sell me on a pill to fix this or that, or another surgery. I believe there is, and will always be a place for both types of medicine, but I know too that this pill & surgery stuff is getting way out of control, because we are letting it.

I'm all for a conventional doctor that is at least prescribing vitamins/nutrition. I haven't seen much of that in my years on the planet. I also know there are people that opted out of conventional cancer treatment, and no longer have cancer.
 

Debby said:
I was looking to see if anyone recommended turmeric and voila, there you are SeaBreeze! Don't forget to include the black pepper though when you recommend it otherwise the benefit is apparently minimal.
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I remembered today to add some coarse black pepper to my turmeric Debby. :)
 
Thank you, Quicksilver, for being the voice of reason. Much as I wish there was some miracle natural cure for OA, there just flat isn't. Degenerative OA just gets worse and worse. Certain supplements and diet may help with inflammation, but they are not going to fix the degenerated bones and joints.

If it is bad enough in a joint that it is wrecking your life, like my hips were, the only option that works is replacement. Nothing is going to put back together degenerated bone.
 
nwlady said:
I think it would be interesting to know the truth about how many folks are dying due to prescription meds addiction, or just from too many pills, not to mention botched surgeries. I also know there are people that opted out of conventional cancer treatment, and no longer have cancer.
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Too many Denise, people die both from causes related to prescription drugs and medical "accidents". There are times, of course that you need drugs from a doctor to deal with your condition, or surgery for something, but I would only do it if absolutely necessary. There are people who have treated their own diseases naturally with great success, that's always an option for those interested. It would be nice if Naturopaths were covered under health insurance. Here's a few links with some stats.

http://healthimpactnews.com/2012/ne...t-journal-warn-that-hospitals-are-killing-us/

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2014/02/27/drug-overdose.aspx

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-many-die-from-medical-mistakes-in-us-hospitals/
 
SeaBreeze said:
Too many Denise, people die both from causes related to prescription drugs and medical "accidents". There are times, of course that you need drugs from a doctor to deal with your condition, or surgery for something, but I would only do it if absolutely necessary. There are people who have treated their own diseases naturally with great success, that's always an option for those interested. It would be nice if Naturopaths were covered under health insurance. Here's a few links with some stats.

http://healthimpactnews.com/2012/ne...t-journal-warn-that-hospitals-are-killing-us/

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2014/02/27/drug-overdose.aspx

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-many-die-from-medical-mistakes-in-us-hospitals/
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Thanks for these SB, I will take a look at each in the a.m. Just too tired tonight. I know the numbers have got to be huge, on the deaths I mean. I have seen folks standing in line at my new GP's office, where we are to bring any meds we are on. I have one, but I have seen folks with large, ziplock baggies full. I believe there are pills pushed on people from "lack of knowledge" as well as "people refusing to acknowledge they might be wrong".

I have been fortunate most of my life, good health, then I had to have a pacemaker put in. I do feel it saved my life, but I also am torn in wondering if I had eatin better foods might it have been different for me. But that is why I say I believe in both medicines, I think there is a time and place for both.

pchrise said:
All I can let you know about is http://www.knowthecause.com
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I haven't looked at your link yet either pc, but I love the title, yes, let's get to the cause, and work on prevention. A bandaid won't cure an infection, it covers it while it festers unless the wound is cleaned out.

I'll see you all tomorrow, very, good discussion and I feel a lot of people could be helped by it;)
 
Butterfly said:
Thank you, Quicksilver, for being the voice of reason. Much as I wish there was some miracle natural cure for OA, there just flat isn't. Degenerative OA just gets worse and worse. Certain supplements and diet may help with inflammation, but they are not going to fix the degenerated bones and joints.

If it is bad enough in a joint that it is wrecking your life, like my hips were, the only option that works is replacement. Nothing is going to put back together degenerated bone.
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Thanks Butterfly... however, I'm certainly not surprised.. I have been reviewing Medicare patient's hospital charts for 14 years now.... since I left bedside nursing. I cannot tell you how many seniors are brought to ER by family... half dead. It is quite obvious that they had avoided medical care and opted for self medicating and home remedies. I chalk it up to fear and distrust, as well as limited knowledge of anything medical. They buy into rumors and fearmongering while prefering to listen to friends and radio "MDs" rather than seeing a doctor.. and there is no shortage of Charletons out there very eager to take advantage of this. Unfortunately, many Seniors die needlessly when they could have been treated earlier. It's really sad.. again that's their choice.... so be it.
 
People are not all stupid, so why would they opt for alternatives to conventional medicine if they never experienced, or witnessed anything wrong with it? It's long overdue for some to start taking responsibility for their own body, and what to choose in treatment. I went most of my life just saying "ok" whatever you say doc. Does anyone here remember Seldane? Well, it was 9 months after I was prescribed this drug (for hives & allergy) that it was pulled from the shelves, and it was within a short time before that, my heart went wacko.

Now anyone wanting to be close-minded to other types of medicine (yes, not widely tested, and I wonder why if it's so bad, are they afraid they'll be "proven" wrong?) Oh, and regarding the above seldane info, no history of heart issues in me, or my family.

Ok, so, maybe Seldane didn't ruin my heart, and maybe the botox injections a doctor shot into my neck for a year for spasmodic torticolus (they call it) didn't cause my heart to go wacko, which again, was right after this year of botox (3 shots in one side of my neck, and 2 in the other to "kill" the nerves, ok, that'll work, but it didn't).

You talk about sad, sad is close-minded, unteachable folks, scared to death to admit they might be wrong. If I've learned anything in my 62 years, it's I MIGHT BE WRONG! So, I weigh out my options, and decide, at least I will decide as long as my brain is able to make my own decisions, AND, I will accept all responsibility for my own actions.

And in that responsibility, I opted to take Seldane, I opted to take injections, I opted to use apple-cider vinegar for an upset stomach lastnight instead of Imodium.

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=919 PS see previous link, dates are interesting to me. My first heart problem came in 1997, and my first pacemaker was put in Nov. 97. Just interesting at the very least, but probably just a coincidence.
 
I made a comment lastnight on some commercial talking about a new disease I never heard of. I mean, it may not be so new, I just hadn't heard of it. Where do all these "new" diseases come from? Did we always have them around since the beginning, or is something in what we do, eat, or drink cause them? Oh, and with that, was a new drug I never heard of. As usual they were "legal" in telling the 57 negative side-effects that are just "possible". No worries, just "possible". Only one in five has any of these, but hey, what if I'm the one:(or someone I love.

PS which reminds me, the one that gets me is "if this lasts more then 4 hours you might want to call your doctor". 4 HOURS??
 
By law; every medication has to list every side effect that anybody has suffered; even if only one person...

As for curing cancer naturally; I watched by grandfather die doing just that...
 
My sympathy for your loss Viv. It's hard to watch somebody die from Cancer. I lost my sister at the age of 42 to cancer, and my brother-in-law at the age of 65. Both had conventional chemo/radiation treatments from regular doctors, and they suffered a lot of pain and misery before passing. Sometimes I think it was the treatments that killed them, rather than the cancer itself.
 
Butterfly said:
I completely disagree with the idea that the replacements are "useless." In my case, they are near miraculous. I'd also point out that the Haravard Medical statement is 14 years old, and there have been huge improvements just in the last four years. They've refined the replacement process and the implants to where it isn't such a big deal (2 nights in the hospital for me) and very little post surgical pain. And you're up and around immediately -- carefully, but you are up and around.

AND, until a cure is found for OA, I'll sure go for treating the symptoms. The heads of both my femurs were "mush" (highly technical medical term - HAHA) and it was either replace the joints or get a wheelchair. OA runs in my family -- I'm normal body weight and have always been a sort of a health nut, regular exercise, good diet, supplements, etc., no other medical issues, and I still got it. For some folks it may be a deficiency in nutrients, but in my case (and my mother's and my sister's and my neice's) it is familial and age. I tried all the natural stuff and all the theories and alternative stuff for several years, without results. Some times that stuff helps, sometimes it doesn't.

The new hips have literally given me my life back. I've gone from being barely able to go to the bathroom even with my walker, to being able to do anything I want, without pain. And I didn't have to do any steroid injections or that stuff. Ortho guy took one look at my x-rays, said the medical equivalent of "Holy s**t!" and scheduled me for surgery.

It's wonderful to live without that grinding, crippling pain!
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Butterfly I totally agree with you. It's only about 9 weeks since my total hip replacement after being in shocking pain for 8 years. My surgeon took one look at my xrays and said the cartilage had worn away completely and I was scheduled for an operation. Best thing that has happened to me. He's going to replace the other hip some time in the new year as it was giving me some grief before my op and is gradually getting worse. It's so good to be able to walk without the pain and I look forward to having my second one, I'll be like a new woman.:eek:kay:
 
Casper said:


Butterfly I totally agree with you. It's only about 9 weeks since my total hip replacement after being in shocking pain for 8 years. My surgeon took one look at my xrays and said the cartilage had worn away completely and I was scheduled for an operation. Best thing that has happened to me. He's going to replace the other hip some time in the new year as it was giving me some grief before my op and is gradually getting worse. It's so good to be able to walk without the pain and I look forward to having my second one, I'll be like a new woman.:eek:kay:
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Really happy for you Casper! You must have an almost totally new lease on life!
 
Someone was asking here today about arthritis pain in another thread. Remembered this one and thought I'd bump it up by adding to it. I don't have arthritis yet, hopefully won't get it where it's noticeable, but I do take daily supplements as a preventative for these things.

I take a spoonful of organic Turmeric powder (inflammation), triglyceride form of Omega 3 fish oil, vitamin D3, vitamin k2, MSM, Glucosamine Sulfate, among other things.

Article on how Turmeric beats Ibuprofen for arthritis knee pain.
http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/turmeric-beats-ibuprofen-arthritis-knee
 
Tart Cherries for Osteo-Arthritis pain and other health beneifits. More here. http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/tart-cherries-relieve-osteoarthritis-pain


If you are among the millions of Americans suffering from joint pain and arthritis, there's good news about a favorite summer treat. According to research from Oregon Health & Science University, tart cherries help reduce the chronic inflammation that leads to pain.[1]

In fact, the Oregon researchers declared that tart cherries have the "highest anti-inflammatory content of any food" and can help osteoarthritis patients manage their condition.

The study specifically dealt with tart cherries (e.g., Montmorency and Balaton) and not sweet cherries (e.g., Bing, Lambert, Rainier), although both varieties have healing benefits. Tart cherries are grown mostly in Michigan while the sweet varieties are found mostly in Washington, Oregon and Idaho.

Both types have traditionally been used to combat gout by reducing the body's levels of uric acid.

Tart cherries, however, have higher concentrations of phenolics and anthocyanins. These compounds have been specifically linked to high antioxidant capacity and reduced inflammation.

A 2001 cell study found that anthocyanins from cherries were as effective as ibuprofen andnaproxen at suppressing the COX enzymes associated with inflammation.

In this study, 20 women aged 40 to 70 with inflammatory osteoarthritis drank tart cherry juice twice a day for three weeks. At the end of the trial, researchers found significant reductions in important inflammation markers – especially for women who had the highest inflammation levels at the start of the study.

The study authors noted that the results were promising for cherries as a natural pain reliever without the side effects associated with arthritis medications.

In a prior study, the same researchers found that people who drank tart cherry juice while training for a long distance run reported significantly less pain after exercise. The Sports Nutrition Department at the University of Pennsylvania Medical Center for Sports Medicine has incorporated tart cherries into the training menu of professional athletes and active clients as a natural and easy way to manage pain.

Other studies on tart cherries and osteoarthritis conducted by researchers at Baylor Research Institute[2] found that a daily dose of tart cherry extract helped reduce osteoarthritis pain by more than 20 percent.
 
Tart cherry juice is also supposed to be good for gout.

I haven't read through the seven pages of this, so I don't know if it has been addressed, but I've heard that they're linking drinking large amounts of diet cola daily to the increased chance of osteoporosis. I've been yelling at my sister for a couple of years to stop drinking so much diet cola (1-2 two-liter bottles a day).
 
Chiropractic care helped me very much. Prior to chiro care I thought I was destined to be in a wheel chair soon. I could barely stand and had to use a walker to get from room to room in my small home. Chiro care has literally changed my stamina and activity level.
 

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