Over 230 Mass Shootings in USA in 2022 as of June.

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This is an easy way to track the insanity. Page 2 show the Uvalde child massacre data. There is an interactive map and you can download the data as a *csv file.

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting?page=1

Surprisingly, I heard today that several normally pro-gun-rights (you know who's) ran an ad in favor of more regulation! About damn time.
 

Em in Ohio said:
This is an easy way to track the insanity. Page 2 show the Uvalde child massacre data. There is an interactive map and you can download the data as a *csv file.

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting?page=1

Surprisingly, I heard today that several normally pro-gun-rights (you know who's) ran an ad in favor of more regulation! About damn time.
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I am not meaning to minimize these mass shootings, but Chicago has had 228 murdered this year. If you look at other major cities, you will find that crime is rampant throughout our country. Something comprehensive must be done, if we are to ever see any improvement. I would suggest that all the ideas usually talked about 'in combination' would have the greatest chance of having a real impact (e.g., Gun Control, More Policing, making all schools hard targets, etc. etc.
 
Chicago and Toronto have similar populations, but the similarities end there. In 2021 Chicago had 727 murders, while Toronto had 84. If you include those who were shot and killed on Chicago area highways ( the jurisdiction of the State Police ) the number is over 800 dead in one year. The Toronto Police Service also does a much better job of solving homicide cases and arresting and convicting those who commit murder here with a 86 percent solve rate . JimB.
 
Besides rifle practice in the US Navy, I have had few associations with guns. For 17 years, while I didn't hunt, I participated in a PA. tradition. On Thanksgiving Monday, you sneak into a bar at 2 AM, and you drink to get "antifreeze" in your system, so you can go out in the cold and hunt at dawn. Then I had this whacko acquaintance shoot a gun off in a crowded bar to light his cigarette. My ex and I attend a party , where tensions flowed. One shot and killed another about an hour after we left. My across the street neighbor shot himself about 3 years ago. If you include the thousands and thousands of suicides, the shootings where the shooter knows the victim, the mass shootings, we just are way too unnstable for everybody to hold the power of life and death over each other. And even if you are a 'responsible' gun owner, that doesn't mean you won't ever blow out our brains, or kill others. I don't know why there is this fascination with a hunk of metal, but I believe it is too dangerous to be in the hands of anybody, who can buy it, or steal it.
 
fuzzybuddy....in high school we had two girls get into a fight in our cafeteria during lunch. One lunged at the other with a knife she had in her purse. She hit her in the neck, that girl bled out before the ambulance got there. My girlfriend's brother committed suicide using a vacuum hose connected to their car with the garage door shut. Etc., etc. etc.........it is not the guns, it is the mental condition of people in our society and what got them in that condition... If they are determined to kill, they will kill...

Now, I am not saying that I agree with allowing free access to guns for anyone, without a criminal record, 18 or older. I don't!

But, if we disarm Americans, then only those honest citizens will be disarmed. Criminals will continue to be armed and others will kill and or commit suicide, using knifes, box cutters, propane gas tanks, homemade explosives, automobiles, ropes, chains, etc. etc. etc.

And if you are politically astute at all, you surely recognize that in current times those leaders in DC and their agencies/ appointees could become a threat to our Constitutional rights, without using the due process as outlined in the Constitution. If that should happen, having an armed resistance may be the only things that will stop them! Our forefathers saw this risk...
 
jimintoronto said:
Chicago and Toronto have similar populations, but the similarities end there. In 2021 Chicago had 727 murders, while Toronto had 84. If you include those who were shot and killed on Chicago area highways ( the jurisdiction of the State Police ) the number is over 800 dead in one year. The Toronto Police Service also does a much better job of solving homicide cases and arresting and convicting those who commit murder here with a 86 percent solve rate . JimB.
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Jim, you may or may not be able to correlate this data. You have to compare other factors like the types of people in these areas things like poverty rates, rapes, petty crimes, etc. I would also want to know the number of police officers per 100k people or some comparison like that. The existence of guns alone is not enough to make a claim that guns are the cause.
 
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Jim, you may or may not be able to correlate this data. You have to compare other factors like the types of people in these areas things like poverty rates, rapes, petty crimes, etc. I would also want to know the number of police officers per 100k people or some comparison like that. The existence of guns alone is not enough to make a claim that guns are the cause.
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Those people in Chicago were not killed by toaster ovens, were they ? Average Number of Police per 100,000 k in the USA is 282, in Canada the number is 187. The Toronto Police Service has about 5,550 members, the Chicago Police department has about 13,000 members . Average annual income of Toronto residents is $100,000 a year, while the annual average income of residents of Chicago is $67,521. The population of Chicago in 2020 was 2. 7 million, while the population of Toronto in 2020 was 6 million. I found all of that data using Goggle search in a total of about 5 minutes . Satisfied now ? JimB.
 
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Timewise 60+ said:
I would also want to know the number of police officers per 100k people or some comparison like that. The existence of guns alone is not enough to make a claim that guns are the cause.
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Although police officers in many countries are frequently unintentionally killed from motor vehicle collisions, police officers in the US are often intentionally killed with firearms. During the 10 year period of 1988 through 1997, 688 police officers were intentionally killed in the US and almost all of these (633, or 92%) victims died from gunshot injuries. In contrast, the number of police officers intentionally killed from gunshot wounds in the United Kingdom is so low that officers do not typically carry firearms for their personal protection. The reasons for these disparities between the US and the UK have not been previously studied from an occupational or public health perspective.
Police deaths in New York and London during the twentieth century.

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Gun ownership to "protect us from an overreaching government" goes both ways. There's also the risk of an armed populace overthrowing our Republic and installing a dictator. See the Spanish Civil war for an example.
 
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SeniorBen said:
Here's another mass shooting database along with a book:
https://www.theviolenceproject.org/mass-shooter-database/

I don't know if it's related to the source in the OP. I just came across a video a few nights ago that featured an interview with the authors.
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There is very interesting data on the site your referenced. Thank you!

"Of the 172 mass shooters studied, only four were women. In two cases, the women acted in partnership with a man.
While the difference in numbers between female and male mass shooters is stark, it was represented in all U.S. homicides in which 80% to 90% of offenders in a given year were men."

Assuming that most gun owners are men, this is no surprise.

But, perhaps a couple reasons they USE the guns to commit murder is that:

- Testosterone makes them strive to be more powerful than others.

- As young children, they do not learn to use their words to express emotions.
 
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jimintoronto said:
Those people in Chicago were not killed by toaster ovens, were they ? Average Number of Police per 100,000 k in the USA is 282, in Canada the number is 187. The Toronto Police Service has about 5,550 members, the Chicago Police department has about 13,000 members . Average annual income of Toronto residents is $100,000 a year, while the annual average income of residents of Chicago is $67,521. The population of Chicago in 2020 was 2. 7 million, while the population of Toronto in 2020 was 6 million. I found all of that data using Goggle search in a total of about 5 minutes . Satisfied now ? JimB.
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Jim, I meant no offense! I just thought your original comment was a bit of a leap, without more behind it. This only leaves me with one last question...do you feel safe and secure in you Government right now. Are you ever concerned about being forced into a form of government that is dictatorial.

I fear this in America more than ever now. Our forefathers understood this risk and dealt with it with our 2nd Amendment. I thank God that they did...
 
My cousin is a lucky man. He was teaching at a high school when a student stuck a gun into his ear. He instinctively grabbed the gun and took it away from the student.

He gets really depressed about all the killings and injuries from gun violence, especially school shootings.
 
Timewise 60+ said:
Jim, I meant no offense! I just thought your original comment was a bit of a leap, without more behind it. This only leaves me with one last question...do you feel safe and secure in you Government right now. Are you ever concerned about being forced into a form of government that is dictatorial.

I fear this in America more than ever now. Our forefathers understood this risk and dealt with it with our 2nd Amendment. I thank God that they did...
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JEEEEZ> What a silly statement . Canada is a Parliamentary DEMOCRACY, with elections held at all three levels of Government, Federal, Provincial, and Municipal. Got that part about "elections " ? And to answer your other question....YES I and my fellow Canadians do not FEAR our Government, at any level. Canada has a national motto that we all acknowledge......Peace, Order, and Good Government. Now I will turn your question around........Do you, as an individual American feel safe and secure in your home/town ? Think about that before you answer. JimB.
 
Timewise 60+ said:
And if you are politically astute at all, you surely recognize that in current times those leaders in DC and their agencies/ appointees could become a threat to our Constitutional rights, without using the due process as outlined in the Constitution. If that should happen, having an armed resistance may be the only things that will stop them! Our forefathers saw this risk...
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" as outlined in the Constitution."

Peaceful transfer of power following elections is also outlined there.
 
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JEEEEZ> What a silly statement . Canada is a Parliamentary DEMOCRACY, with elections held at all three levels of Government, Federal, Provincial, and Municipal. Got that part about "elections " ? And to answer your other question....YES I and my fellow Canadians do not FEAR our Government, at any level. Canada has a national motto that we all acknowledge......Peace, Order, and Good Government. Now I will turn your question around........Do you, as an individual American feel safe and secure in your home/town ? Think about that before you answer. JimB.
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We feel perfectly safe in our home town and I have never owned a hand gun!

I noticed the following headline:
Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on Monday announced the introduction of a bill that would place a national freeze on handgun ownership across Canada.
"What this means is that it will no longer be possible to buy, sell, transfer or import handguns anywhere in Canada," Trudeau said in a news conference.

I would guess you fully support this proposal and I expect you expect your representative to make it the law of the land in Canada!
 
helenbacque said:
" as outlined in the Constitution."

Peaceful transfer of power following elections is also outlined there.
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Unfortunately, our Constitution does not address what should be done if one party illegally steals an election! The protests on Jan. 6th were organized to protest this fact! The violence that occurred was not initiated by attendees at the protest. Although, can we talk about how many Democratic protests in the past were violent destroying property, beating up people and police, and killing people?
 
Timewise 60+ said:
We feel perfectly safe in our home town and I have never owned a hand gun!

I noticed the following headline:
Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on Monday announced the introduction of a bill that would place a national freeze on handgun ownership across Canada.
"What this means is that it will no longer be possible to buy, sell, transfer or import handguns anywhere in Canada," Trudeau said in a news conference.

I would guess you fully support this proposal and I expect you expect your representative to make it the law of the land in Canada!
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Yes I do support the proposed new legislation. Lets remember that in our Parliament in Ottawa there are five parties with seats in the House. Each of those Federal parties will have ample opportunity to debate and suggest amendments to this new proposed legislation as it moves through the process in Parliament. The governing Liberal party has a minority position in Parliament, which means they must strike an agreement with at least one other party, in order to have enough votes to carry the proposed bill to it's acceptance by the House. That agreement is in place now. Recent opinion polls in Canada have shown that about 70 percent of the voters here are supportive of this new legislation being passed in the House. Imagine a situation where political parties co-operate with each other to pass legislation that is being demanded by a majority of the voters in the country ? JimB.
 

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