Pack of 60 Teenagers Swarm Train in Oakland. Commit Strong Arm Robberies

WhatInThe

SF VIP
Oakland California . A swarm, pack or horde of approximately 60 teenagers evaded turnstiles, jump onto a train commit 7 robberies & two beatings of passengers in SECONDS. Train doors held open during take over. One robbery was committed on platform and there were 2 injuries requiring medical attention. Cell phones and bag among items stolen.

http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/BART-takeover-robbery-50-to-60-teens-swarm-11094745.php
 

It's a good thing that I wasn't on-board one of those trains. I carry a .25 ACP pistol loaded with hollow points. They may have gotten a surprise when I reached into my pocket.
 

It's a good thing that I wasn't on-board one of those trains. I carry a .25 ACP pistol loaded with hollow points. They may have gotten a surprise when I reached into my pocket.
In my neck of the woods, metro Atlanta, the news have been reporting a surge in gun thefts for the last couple of years. Breaking in cars in targeted locations (fire stations, gyms, etc) looking for them and stealing large trucks, smashing into gun/pawn shops with a small army stealing weapons and ammo in large quantities. The point I'm getting to is they might have weapons too... they seem to around here, more and more.
 
Not too surprising. Oakland, CA. has been turning into a Ghetto for the past 3 or 4 decades, and its crime rate is several times that of the overall San Francisco region.
 
Not too surprising. Oakland, CA. has been turning into a Ghetto for the past 3 or 4 decades, and its crime rate is several times that of the overall San Francisco region.

I don't know when you were last in Oakland, but that is a wildly inaccurate generalization.
 
I don't know when you were last in Oakland, but that is a wildly inaccurate generalization.

Does Oakland CA have more crime than average? Yes. Is it "turning into a ghetto over the last 40 yrs". NO.

We've lived here since 1990. Moved from SF because it was impossible to buy a SFH there. We live in a what was, when we arrived, a modest starter neighborhood in the hills, and what has now become a highly desirable neighborhood: centrally located, easy public transportation and freeway access, active neighborhood association and listserv.

Like all CA coastal RE, they say, "God ain't making any more of it." CA RE rises and falls like all crowded urban areas –– but when it recovers keeps going higher than before. Our home is now worth about 3–4x what we paid for it, which is an average return for CA home ownership. We love where we live: we have great neighbors, and Oakland is gentrifying at a terrific rate. It is a vibrant, lively, racially and socially diverse community.

Crime in big cities occurs mostly in "pockets". If you don't live in those "hot spots" it is as safe to walk the streets in Oakland as it is in San Francisco (in fact, the one time I've ever been mugged in CA was in SF, in the daytime).

We are foodies – there is little point to living in coastal CA if you aren't one. We can drive for 10 min. in any direction and find Oakland's multiples of: Ethiopian/Eritrean, authentic regional Italian (choice of Milan/Lombardy, or would you prefer Ligurian seafood?), equally authentic regional Mexican (the housemade nixtamalized cornmeal tortillas at Calavera or Nido are destination-worthy), Korean (both traditional and fusion; in fact we have a bigger Koreatown than SF now). Greek? Vietnamese? Indian (yes, both traditional and fusion – ask Anthony Bourdain for his recommendations which were on national TV)? Some of the best artisanal bread bakers in the region are in Oakland – SF may have Tartine, but we have Firebrand, Starter, and Semifreddi (which I prefer to Acme, Berkeley's famed bakery).

And don't let me forget the amazing Burmese, Laotian, Issan Thai, and Michelin–starred CA cuisine restaurants in Oakland, as well.

We consider ourselves fortunate to live here in Oakland. I wouldn't move back to SF now if you paid me. It's changed too much, and it's really a city for young people. SF has always been a transients' town; people come and go, that's its history. Look it up; that's how surrounding cities became settled. All outflow from SF proper.

The weather's immensely better in the East Bay; not too hot, not too cold, not too foggy. There are only seven areas in the world that have a Mediterranean climate, and the SF Bay Area is one of them.

Last year a national publication made headlines when it listed the 10 best food cities in the U.S., and in the SFBA it listed....not SF, but Oakland.

So yeah, if you think Oakland is all "ghetto", please don't come. We are finding parking spaces harder to get nowadays. Sometimes we have to park a block away instead of right in front, the way we could before we got 'discovered' as one of the best places to live in the SFBA.
 
security cameras & fast attack

Witnesses say the robbery started out or seemed like a commotion with the gang banging on the train/doors. Once inside the train they immediately began hitting passengers & grabbing things like cell phones. The attack probably took around 30 seconds , maybe a minute tops. BART or the train service said there were cameras but only 6 of the 9 cars had working cameras. The BART police are still investigating.

https://ww2.kqed.org/news/2017/04/24/bart-cops-investigating-weekend-train-robbery-in-oakland/

Note-cameras on trains. BART admitted until this last year most cameras were dummy cameras but decided to install working cameras after a murder. But complete installation of cameras will take until July/another 3 months.
 
I don't know when you were last in Oakland, but that is a wildly inaccurate generalization.

Statistics would seem to indicate that Oakland is one of the more dangerous areas in California.

https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ca/oakland/crime

http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Oakland-California.html

Yup, its been a long time since I was in Oakland. I used to have a cousin who lived there, but he moved his family out of there perhaps 30 years ago....because of the rising crime.
 
Blitzkrieg.

From a self-defense standpoint, there's not a whole lot you can do against 40-60 assailants. Even a pistol will take out only one or two before they get to you.

Welcome to the continuing breakdown of Western society ...
 
My guess Oakland is like any other city at this point including crime. Most cities not only have good and bad neighborhood sometimes it's just one block. One block is heaven and the next block could be heck. Things can transition or change quickly. This train stop was probably near one of those locations.

I've seen stories of youth gangs doing all sorts of crap over the last year in particular. I can believe that entire horde is from the neighborhood. I was thinking flash mob or social media enhanced. Also the fact that many of these kids had no compunction about assaulting people/strangers tells at least half of them will be career criminals-if they live that long-karma
 
I grew up in Oakland as a teenager and it was a great place to work and live. I left for Korea in 1953 and when I came back eight years later from military service and college Oakland had changed dramatically and I decided to go and live in Napa.
 
Blitzkrieg.

From a self-defense standpoint, there's not a whole lot you can do against 40-60 assailants. Even a pistol will take out only one or two before they get to you.

Welcome to the continuing breakdown of Western society ...

Hopefully taking out one or two would be all that was needed to get them to leave you alone and run the other way.
 
Hopefully taking out one or two would be all that was needed to get them to leave you alone and run the other way.

As long as they are not drugged up or established gang members I'd think that would be the case. Hopefully as soon as the first body drops there will be running & fleeing.

By most accounts 30 seconds was about all the time one would've had to pull their weapon, pick a target and shoot. In close quarters to ensure I hit the right person I'd wait until one approaches me or someone else near me. But that first bang should make most run if not duck which would also halt the assault.
 
I carry a .380 old man, but a pack of 60 of them would no doubt over power us real fast.

Pappy...Keep firing until the clip is empty, drop in another clip and resume firing. One thing is for sure, we won't be going down alone. I learned fast in Vietnam that you never go into battle w/o extra clips.

Back in '99, my wife and I had just came out of an upscale restaurant near where we live. A young man with a short, scruffy looking beard walked up to me and showed me a knife while asking for my wallet. I carry my .25 in my back belt holstered. When I pulled the pistol, he ran like a rabbit.

In 2006, the airline asked me if I wanted to have a pistol available in the cockpit. I declined.
 
I think the urban and rural populations have become the new constituencies for Washington. Urban relates to liberal issues while rural describes our more conservative perspective. Cities are no longer growing. Most people who can leave, have done so. The ongoing social, economic, and political revolution engulfing our world threatens to destabilize it's culture. The third world has run out of time to catch up...they will be victims of an out of control resource grab going on. Europe is burdened with refugees representing an alien and often hostile ideology within their own borders. Nationalism is reviving and replacing global economic and political movements. We are going backwards.

I dread going into the city I was born in...it's dying. What were once proud boulevards are now garbage strewn gauntlets where you lock your car's doors and windows and avoid eye contact with people staring at you with open hatred. Racial polarization is peaking in America...we need to deal with this before it destroys us.

Just my $0.02.
 
I think the urban and rural populations have become the new constituencies for Washington. Urban relates to liberal issues while rural describes our more conservative perspective. Cities are no longer growing. Most people who can leave, have done so. The ongoing social, economic, and political revolution engulfing our world threatens to destabilize it's culture. The third world has run out of time to catch up...they will be victims of an out of control resource grab going on. Europe is burdened with refugees representing an alien and often hostile ideology within their own borders. Nationalism is reviving and replacing global economic and political movements. We are going backwards.

I dread going into the city I was born in...it's dying. What were once proud boulevards are now garbage strewn gauntlets where you lock your car's doors and windows and avoid eye contact with people staring at you with open hatred. Racial polarization is peaking in America...we need to deal with this before it destroys us.

Just my $0.02.

For sure...it's coming. We moved to the country about 15 years ago, and it's a whole different world. Here, the police largely consume their days enforcing traffic laws, and answering a complaint about a nuisance barking dog. There was a murder, about 5 years ago, where a woman shot her abusive husband...she got probation. Contrast this kind of environment with what goes on in any major city, on a daily basis.

I remember reading a UN study, many years ago, about the future of humanity...where a group of academics and futurists met in Switzerland to predict the future. Their conclusion was that sometime in the latter half of this century, there would be one more major war. This time, it would not be nation vs. nation, but instead, the "haves vs. have nots". Overpopulation and technology would render half the population obsolete, and living in despair...while the other half is living decent lifestyles. This will ultimately erupt into a series of riots that will quickly get out of hand, and the slaughter will make WWII seem minor by comparison. If the Have Nots prevail, humanity will revert back to the Dark Ages. If the Haves win, the global population will be reduced by half, nations will unite under a global language and government, and humanity will reach for the stars. The early signs of the validity of these predictions are all around us. That same UN study placed the optimum human population at around 5.7 billion....we are already well over 7 billion, with 9 billion predicted by mid-century, and 12 billion by the year 2100. This population growth is simply unsustainable....especially as most of it is occurring in the segments of society with the least potential for self sufficiency.

People of our generation will probably not live long enough to see this chaos, but our grandkids and beyond will face a rather challenging future.
 
If you've never seen it, you might want to watch Idiocracy. It's all about the near future when the "Have Nots" have taken over society and, in the process, dumbed everything down to a bare-bones level with emphasis on cheap entertainment and sensationalism where the average IQ is in the 80's.
 
If you've never seen it, you might want to watch Idiocracy. It's all about the near future when the "Have Nots" have taken over society and, in the process, dumbed everything down to a bare-bones level with emphasis on cheap entertainment and sensationalism where the average IQ is in the 80's.
I have seen it and believe me, there are days I think we are there.
 
Statistics would seem to indicate that Oakland is one of the more dangerous areas in California.

All urban areas are potential high crime. I've lived in cities all my life, and grew up in the Lower South Side of Chicago, where the Blackstone Rangers gang regularly engaged in warfare with the cops and other gangs.

The risk is there, but so are the rewards of living in a bigger city. Lots of folks enjoy "the slow life". I don't feel the need to dump on them. But it's not the kind of life I want. I'm not white, I didn't grow up middle-class, and I don't want to live in the rural areas. Nice places to visit, but neither DH nor I have any desire to settle in them.

Where you went wrong - and many people do - is blaming OAKLAND for a B.A.R.T. crime. BART is NOT, repeat NOT, an Oakland agency. BART is an urban subway system. Blaming Oakland for a BART crime is like saying Queens NY is the most dangerous area in NY State because somebody got shot on a train station in Queens.

BART is a multi-agency transportation system that essentially runs like a state agency. It covers four separate counties and is not answerable to any of them. BART is entirely separate from any one city or county in dealing with customers and managing its operations. It has its own board of directors, management, real estate division, maintenance, purchasing, sales affiliations, AND police force. Neither county nor city police can put ONE FOOT officially on BART property without formal approval of BART's police force.

The crime spree could just have easily taken place at any of the open-air stations BART runs - Richmond (you want to look at crime stats, check out theirs, LOL), Concord, Fremont, or Millbrae, for example. The above-ground stations were never designed to be "secure"; being based on designs drawn up back in the 1950's and '60's.

Things change, Don M., and one of them is gentrifying urban areas. We have watched a lot of changes in Oakland over the last 30 yrs, and although we may never have Napa's low crime rate, we also don't have to s**k up to the tourist trade. We'll settle for the grit and vibrancy of a diverse community...even though we and our Oakland politicians also argue in circles just like everyone else's, :D.

We were just in Napa, btw. DH and I agreed it's turning into the tourist hack Fisherman's Wharf of the Wine Country. Even the food is becoming cliched. It's really sad, and hard on the locals. Getting around on Hwy 29 and the Silverado Trail is becoming a nightmare.
 
If you've never seen it, you might want to watch Idiocracy. It's all about the near future when the "Have Nots" have taken over society and, in the process, dumbed everything down to a bare-bones level with emphasis on cheap entertainment and sensationalism where the average IQ is in the 80's.

Even in a dumbed down society crime should not be tolerated and most should know if it's not yours don't take it or assaulting a person is wrong. Not just a crime but wrong. But that's exactly what has not been happening.

Should add there are now suspects including a few known to BART for prior incidents.

http://sfist.com/2017/04/27/bart_identifies_some_suspects_in_mo.php
 
Does anyone ever take notice to where most of these things happen, areas where citizens are not permitted to defend themselves from violent crimes almost every time and areas where LTC applies how much less often you see the same as this.
 


Back
Top