Paris under attack - multiple terrorist attacks on Friday night

In Brussells, arrests have been made and one of the terrorists captured and imprisoned. I'm watching CNN and just heard. So at least some progress is being made. That's an auspicous sign.
 

QuickSilver said:
Of course they will... I mean if EVERYONE had an assault weapon in that concert hall..........................................................................
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May I finish your above sentence ?.......then there wouldn't have been a hostage situation.

I'd be willing to bet that many of those inside would agree with......"It's much better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it."
 
IKE said:
May I finish your above sentence ?.......then there wouldn't have been a hostage situation.

I'd be willing to bet that many of those inside would agree with......"It's much better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it."
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Are you kidding me? There would have been a circular firing squad and many more would have been killed.. Can you imagine everyone firing an assault weapon and not having a clue who they were supposed to shoot.. other than someone shooting a gun... which would have been everyone.. I simply don't understand HOW you can even think this would have been better. I can tell you one thing.. I would not be in a place where a bunch of Yahoos had an assault weapon slung over their shoulders..
 

QuickSilver said:
Are you kidding me? There would have been a circular firing squad and many more would have been killed.. Can you imagine everyone firing an assault weapon and not having a clue who they were supposed to shoot.. other than someone shooting a gun...
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C'mom QS......a circular firing squad ??

I wasn't present nor where you but I'll bet that the theater patrons were very much aware of who the bad guys were and would have known exactly who to fire on.
 
Sure you do... Perhaps you can't imagine the scene.. but I can. A dark concert hall.. Hundreds of people watching the show..and suddenly shots are fired.. People start screaming and running and not sure what they are screaming about or running from... NOW if you were there could YOU have in a split second determined what was going on and where and who you should direct your gun at? If you think you could you are fooling yourself. NOW add 15 or 20 more equally confused "good guys" and exactly how do you think that will pan out? These things are NOT Hollywood movies Ike.. There would have been just as many if not more deaths only many deaths would have been the result of "friendly fire". My guess is that as you shot your weapon at the bad guys... some "Good guy" would have taken you out...
 
IKE said:
May I finish your above sentence ?.......then there wouldn't have been a hostage situation.

I'd be willing to bet that many of those inside would agree with......"It's much better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it."
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And I would bet they wouldn't. Europeans don't have that stupid cowboy attitude where they are packing a weapon everywhere they go.
 
Ike have you ever been in the dark playing lethal cat and mouse? Surrounded by noises meant to distract? Believe me, it is next to impossible to determine friend from foe. Unfortunately, if you guess incorrectly, the consequences can be lethal. The guilt never leaves you.
 
QuickSilver said:
Sure you do... Perhaps you can't imagine the scene.. but I can. A dark concert hall.. Hundreds of people watching the show..and suddenly shots are fired.. People start screaming and running and not sure what they are screaming about or running from... NOW if you were there could YOU have in a split second determined what was going on and where and who you should direct your gun at? If you think you could you are fooling yourself. NOW add 15 or 20 more equally confused "good guys" and exactly how do you think that will pan out? These things are NOT Hollywood movies Ike.. There would have been just as many if not more deaths only many deaths would have been the result of "friendly fire". My guess is that as you shot your weapon at the bad guys... some "Good guy" would have taken you out...
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Several years ago I saw an experiment on this same kind of scenario. They took volunteers and put them in a classroom setting, giving them concealed weapons, then measured their ability to 1) get to the weapons in a timely manner, and 2) determine who to shoot. If I recall correctly, the volunteers shot many more of the innocent bystanders than they did the perpetrators in this imaginary setting, if they didn't get "killed" themselves because of hesitation and the time it took to get a weapon out. Have to agree with you here QS, if others had guns in that concert hall, more would have died, though that's hard to fathom right now. And this plays right into the column I posted earlier in this thread. How does an act of terrorism suddenly become a vehicle for advocating in favor of MORE GUNS! It's insanity.
 
Bobw235 said:
Several years ago I saw an experiment on this same kind of scenario. They took volunteers and put them in a classroom setting, giving them concealed weapons, then measured their ability to 1) get to the weapons in a timely manner, and 2) determine who to shoot. If I recall correctly, the volunteers shot many more of the innocent bystanders than they did the perpetrators in this imaginary setting, if they didn't get "killed" themselves because of hesitation and the time it took to get a weapon out. Have to agree with you here QS, if others had guns in that concert hall, more would have died, though that's hard to fathom right now. And this plays right into the column I posted earlier in this thread. How does an act of terrorism suddenly become a vehicle for advocating in favor of MORE GUNS! It's insanity.
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I believe many more would have died as well. The reaction in the US always seem to be 'more guns for the good guys'.
 
Ameriscot said:
Makes me sick as well.
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Definitely a full blown liberal lefty that just hates any other type of political thinking. He has inadvertently listed many of the problems of the liberal far left thinkers. Yes they do need to be discussed and made aware of to the general public. We don't carry guns everywhere, questions need to be asked and not belittled by believers of some of these lies and distortions. Clean air? Temps rising? Yes we all work for clean air but we also need to make sure the people can still travel, live in comfort with heat and cooling, have jobs, and on and on. Temperature rising about 1 degree Celsious over 15 or so years. My, that could be in the accuracy of the instrumentation around the world. It could be in the interpretations around the world. That could be just another normal rise in the temperature that happens in the normal temperature cycles of the world. Just before the heat rising started we were in a cooling fear time as it was threatened that we were heading into colder weather. Most of this nonsense is political rather than actual.
 
Admin has asked that we criticise ideas rather than people. Why is that so difficult? To disagree with someone occupying a different spot on tne political spectrum does not automatically mean you hate their ideas. I am a far left thinker by some


people's parameters, but my spiritual values preclude me indulging in hate. Why must there be insulting remarks, when we can simply agree to disagree?
 
BobF said:
Definitely a full blown liberal lefty that just hates any other type of political thinking. He has inadvertently listed many of the problems of the liberal far left thinkers. Yes they do need to be discussed and made aware of to the general public. We don't carry guns everywhere, questions need to be asked and not belittled by believers of some of these lies and distortions. Clean air? Temps rising? Yes we all work for clean air but we also need to make sure the people can still travel, live in comfort with heat and cooling, have jobs, and on and on. Temperature rising about 1 degree Celsious over 15 or so years. My, that could be in the accuracy of the instrumentation around the world. It could be in the interpretations around the world. That could be just another normal rise in the temperature that happens in the normal temperature cycles of the world. Just before the heat rising started we were in a cooling fear time as it was threatened that we were heading into colder weather. Most of this nonsense is political rather than actual.
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You have missed the entire point of the article.
 
Ameriscot said:
Of course they do. Many, not all. Look at all the people shopping at Walmart with their weapons over their shoulders.
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Americans most certainly do hold the "live tough or die" "shoot 'em up cowboy".. "don't tread on me" attitudes.. Perhaps this has to do with our culture of valuing the individual much more than the society. I'm not sure... Perhaps our history of revolution against Merry ol England.. Or our settling of the wild wild west in the pioneer days.. But we DO want to talk and act like a bunch of "bad asses" even if we need a gun to back that up.. It's embarrassing.
 
Ameriscot said:
You have missed the entire point of the article.
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Maybe you missed my point in my response. Lots of folks in the US and likely the world too, just do not believe all the distortions and nonsense the lefties love to push. Especially when so many things go against the way our Constitution says things should be.

One being the people should be in charge and not the controlling party telling the people how it is going to be. A dictatorship style is not what is supposed to run the US. Obama care is such a system contrary to the Constitution. Party politics is contrary to the way we should be running our government.
 
Ameriscot said:
You have missed the entire point of the article.
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Maybe you missed my point in my response. Lots of folks in the US and likely the world too, just do not believe all the distortions and nonsense the lefties love to push.

I did read the article and only saw how everything was pointed at the conservative folks being off base with their ideas. So what did I miss.
 

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