Pedophilia is a sickness and if you don't have that you may not judge about it

[IrishEyes]

A baby can't even be a pedo. Maybe they watched porn and got posessed.

40,000 Women and Children Freed from Sex Trafficking: 'Now I Believe in Jesus'

Marx explained, "We can't incarcerate our way out of this. There's far too many people consuming child porn. And we're talking about it's not the old crazy man. Now. It's kids in their twenties and teens. So what we have to do is a multiple-faceted approach."

When do natural sexual urges begin to appear for the sake of sex and not just exploring your body begin
that you are born with - Puberty. Aren't we born with that? Porn enhances the desire for it yes and I agree
it is too easily accessed and easily to obtain.

 

[Sunkist]

Isn't there a religion that marries a 12 or 13 year old girl with a man of 50 years or even older?
How would you call this?

There are religions, cults, cultures, etc. that do.. including with their own relatives..
it's probably illegal, but it isn't a valid marriage because a valid marriage requires free-will consent of both individuals, and in those situations the little kids are forced into it.

 

[Rakaia]

Two US presidents have had child brides, three if you count one was only a little older than his bride. What was once more accepted is no longer acceptable but is still way to prevalent for my liking at least. 12,000,000 child brides per year is pretty much slavery.
About child marriage

 

[Messy]

Yeah the born that way I'll just leave my opinion open on as I can't buy it totally.

Your other thing about twenties and teens I think several things contribute to this... There is just a real lack of limits these days and they can be into porn on a computer from a young age if not supervised... And "normal" porn tries to lead you into any porn or type of porn is okay... Into the next thing, then the next thing, then the next thing... And now it is all at fingertips... With an internet connected device... And at an impressionable age whether 10, 15, 22... Etc.

I could share a few reasons I think this but I'm new here and not ready to do that.

And when kids have no bonding, upbringing with any morals or guidance from the day they are born... I don't know that I buy into born that way with some issues in life or serious problems but from the day they are born, I can see that such could happen depending on...

'Born that way'? I have seen a video from a guy in Africa who kicked out demons and let em talk and one said he had been there since he was born.

 

[Ted01]

I know many a good Catholic BUT I think what that church does creates an atmosphere and very possible situation and attracts the wrong types for sure. But then child molestors like positions like that or at schools or day cares or driving buses, etc. Positions of authority over children or contact with children also for sure.

They require a priest stay celibate. Well.... There's a subject all in and of itself... Is molestation considered celibacy... So long as it isn't a female... Not in my mind.

I've heard some of the accused/convicted priest/pedophiles claim in their defense and defiance that sexual acts with minor boys were a perfectly normal, human and biological thing... as though it was merely something mechanical and was not seen as having any moral attachment to it.

On another topic... I hope that people would not conflate the topic of God with the topic of the Roman Catholic Church.
The two are distinctly different... imho anyway.

 

[Ted01]

Yes. They are just like our Dutch government and judges. AI said that's not because of the church, but I'm not sure.

In Pennsylvania, bishops primarily expressed sympathy for perpetrators of sexual violence, not for the victims. For instance, on October 9, 1986, Bishop James Timlin of Scranton wrote to Father Thomas Skotek, who had raped, impregnated, and assisted a girl in obtaining an abortion: "It is with sadness and great regret that I accept your resignation as pastor of St. Stanislas Church in Hazleton. (…) This is a very difficult time in your life, and I understand that you are upset by it. (….) With God's help, this too shall pass, and everyone will be able to resume their lives. Be assured that I am willing to do everything to help you." After his resignation, the priest was sent to a Catholic psychiatric institution. A year later, in 1987, he received an appointment in another parish.

I don't really see anything wrong with the content of that particular letter, as it was directly to the rapist dealing with the individual. It wasn't dealing with the issue of the victim.
IOW, the two things can be and remain distinct... they can be dealt with separately. However, I do see how it is easy to conflate the two when the "punishment" doesn't fit the crime and the guy is back on the street a year later... that's as horrible as the original offense.

 

[Ted01]

I do think there are a portion of some that it doesn't matter WHAT age the person is. Minor, young adult, etc. I don't think all fit the classic only a pedophile and children only fits every one of them.

I think it's dangerous to generalize because there are always one offs.

Let me put it this way--I never said this but it came from someone of my grandparent's generation and the remark was from a female older woman and she said men will put it in any hole available basically, whatever is there at the moment and there truly IS some of that. I know that sounds crass and I'm not knocking men but that's pretty much what she thought and saw her entire life. So imo SOME fit that mold.

In other words, if the only person around is a ten year old and they want some, well that's what is there. If the only person around is an adult female, and they want some, well that's okay too.

I'm not entirely sold with many things on being born with proclivities.

I don't think with true pedophilia there is any cure. So that is DIFFERENT to me. But especially back when, it just wasn't unusual that a man took his way with whatever available, with SOME men.

I'm only saying men as it IS almost always men whether against boys, girls, women, etc.

I've watched pedophilia almost tried to be normalized in the last how many years, seriously. And I believe almost all of most people don't see it or are not as worried about it as they need to be.

And we ARE seeing it in the courts and more.

On the other topic, on like a 16 year old boy with a 15 year old girl, that is not looked at the same imo and it should NOT be of course. It is not an adult taking advantage of a minor.

The "normalization" of it all can be seen in the panning of the film Sound of Freedom. They say that there was a lot of feet-dragging and reluctance in Hollywood's movers and shakers when the movie was being worked on and then when it was released it was generally panned by the critics and today's Cancel-Culture folks also came out in force against it.
I'm not really sure of all the whys and wherefores of all of the push-back... but the little bit that I heard in the news truly seemed odd to me, idk. It's an understandably, inherently sensitive subject to be sure... but it just seemed to me that it was being pushed back against because it was , in part, naming names... or wanting to do that.
And the "establishment said, "No!"

 

[OregonGuy]

Being new, and the title of this thread, worried me that it was siding with pedos, that we just don't understnad them. Until I read all the posts.

I think many things play in and I do think it's more prevalent. Of course we do hear about it more with the internet but I still think it's more prevalent.

Porn itself can lead someone astray... Imo anyhow. They might start with basic porn and then things like young teens, bestiality, nursing moms, all sorts of things pop up to porn users...

Is it a sickness in many? Yes, I'd say so, but I also think some can just be led astray until they just have no rules and that's what is attracting them.

I think lack of morals and church play in. No one has to believe in religion to believe most of the Ten Commandments are good rules. Like thou shalt not kill. Would any argue that except in defense of one self or a loved one?

The internet definitely aids it.

Personall I think crimes against children (and the elderly or extremely vulnerable) should be the harshest charged and sentenced. The system though is getting very soft on sentencing in general for more serious crimes imo, and not just in our country (US).

Both CA and CSA should be sentenced harshly. Of course WITH proof of course. But even many of the states that still have it do not act on it any longer. And the ones that do carry it out, appeals keep most of them sitting until they die in prison anyhow.

As an aside, I believe in the DP, in some cases, with irrefutable evidence of course.

I also believe in how it is to be which is when someone is a danger to society and the rest of us, they put the rest of people first an

 

[OregonGuy]

Pedos, drugggies, and alcoholics have one thing in common; they are attics and there is no "cure" for their addiction.
They best they can do is control their desires, but the desire persists.

Druggies and alcoholics are given a second chance if they don't fall off the wagon (e.g. give in to their addiction) and have a support/oversight group. But society cannot accept of risking their children by giving pedos who have undergone years of therapy and have developed a oversight group an opportunity to exist outside of prison.

A member of my church group "came out" and asked his Pastor to allow him to continue going to his church.
The Pastor took the matter to the congregation. After a few of his friends testified he had undergone 5 years of therapy with a psychologist, the rest of the congregation said he could only attend adult worship services and never attend events where children could be around. His family is not afraid of "pedo vigilantes" who say chemical castration (which does not work) is the only thing he can try.

Note I am not saying druggies and alcoholics pose a danger to children and therefore should not be accepted back into society once they accept there desires, develop a support group, and learn to give into their adduction.

 

[AutumnGal]

'Born that way'? I have seen a video from a guy in Africa who kicked out demons and let em talk and one said he had been there since he was born.

Not sure I follow. The demons talked? And said they had been there since he was born? And what makes it true? Or are you saying it's not true.?

 

[AutumnGal]

I've heard some of the accused/convicted priest/pedophiles claim in their defense and defiance that sexual acts with minor boys were a perfectly normal, human and biological thing... as though it was merely something mechanical and was not seen as having any moral attachment to it.

On another topic... I hope that people would not conflate the topic of God with the topic of the Roman Catholic Church.
The two are distinctly different... imho anyway.

I believe in God but I do not think one has to go to church to be a believer and follower. I've seen a lot of not so good things in church and with members. Not saying all, but some. In any religion for that matter...

I'm not knocking Catholics themselves, I know many and love many, but just requiring that priests be celibate imo is inviting trouble. And is sexual acts with minor boys celibacy?

Of course it has a moral attachment to it. At least to me it does.

That scandal should have been far bigger than it already was...

But I'm sure yeah, it was mechanical and they could not help themselves.

 

[AutumnGal]

The "normalization" of it all can be seen in the panning of the film Sound of Freedom. They say that there was a lot of feet-dragging and reluctance in Hollywood's movers and shakers when the movie was being worked on and then when it was released it was generally panned by the critics and today's Cancel-Culture folks also came out in force against it.
I'm not really sure of all the whys and wherefores of all of the push-back... but the little bit that I heard in the news truly seemed odd to me, idk. It's an understandably, inherently sensitive subject to be sure... but it just seemed to me that it was being pushed back against because it was , in part, naming names... or wanting to do that.
And the "establishment said, "No!"

I'm not aware of the film but I'm not surprised it was pushed back against. Even our "news" avoids a lot of topics, Hollywood as well. I don't follow much relating to either so no surprise I would not know of it. Meaning "news" or "Hollywood". Not mainstream news anyhow.

Sounds interesting... And scary and depressing.

People too like to avoid such subjects at times and live in their "bubble". And that helps and changes nothing.

Another side of pedophilia or related is incest with minors. They are not pleasant subjects.

 

[OregonGuy]

The medical community classifies alcoholism as a chronic, relapsing brain disease, characterized by an inability to control or stop drinking, but the legal system treats driving under the influence as a crime -not an uncontrollable symptom of a disease. When the alcoholic is intoxicated and gets behind the wheel of a car, and kills someone, he is not simply sent for treatment, or a rehab program - he will pay for his act as a criminal offense.

I have heard that Neurologists are considering studying Parkinson's patients brains for possible "pedo markers".
If pedophilia is found to be an inherited trait will society be more willing to accept pedophiles who have undergone treatment?

 

[AutumnGal]

Pedos, drugggies, and alcoholics have one thing in common; they are attics and there is no "cure" for their addiction.
They best they can do is control their desires, but the desire persists.

Druggies and alcoholics are given a second chance if they don't fall off the wagon (e.g. give in to their addiction) and have a support/oversight group. But society cannot accept of risking their children by giving pedos who have undergone years of therapy and have developed a oversight group an opportunity to exist outside of prison.

A member of my church group "came out" and asked his Pastor to allow him to continue going to his church.
The Pastor took the matter to the congregation. After a few of his friends testified he had undergone 5 years of therapy with a psychologist, the rest of the congregation said he could only attend adult worship services and never attend events where children could be around. His family is not afraid of "pedo vigilantes" who say chemical castration (which does not work) is the only thing he can try.

Note I am not saying druggies and alcoholics pose a danger to children and therefore should not be accepted back into society once they accept there desires, develop a support group, and learn to give into their adduction.

Imo they are though all choices. I get they can be addictions, you want it so you go find it. I don't equate them with other diseases.

I mean adults may want sex with another adult but some make themselves abstain from that too for personal or religious reasons. It IS a choice at it's basic level. There is a point you make a choice to do anything no?

I would say drugs maybe are a bit too hard to control if addicted. Other things I'm not so sure...

It is still a personal choice and responsibility and children do not have a choice and that's just wrong. But the adult has a choice.

 

[AutumnGal]

I have heard that Neurologists are considering studying Parkinson's patients brains for possible "pedo markers".
If pedophilia is found to be an inherited trait will society be more willing to accept pedophiles who have undergone treatment?

What?

I have a relative with Parkinsons and he is the farthest thing from a pedo there is. So I don't see what studying his brain would do.

 

[hollydolly]

I have heard that Neurologists are considering studying Parkinson's patients brains for possible "pedo markers".
If pedophilia is found to be an inherited trait will society be more willing to accept pedophiles who have undergone treatment?

parkinsons ? I don't see the correlation....

One is an illness than doesn't cause people t commit horrendous acts on another person... and the other is....

 

[gruntlabor]

I dont think that is actually very helpful - strangers come toward children all the time for reasonable reasons - and a child wouldn't know who might touch them
and anyway by far the majority of child sex abuse is NOT done by strangers - it is by people the child knows.

No, not very helpful, but maybe a little helpful. I remember one day my husband was driving along looking for a certain address. I was in the passenger seat. He slowed down, put his head outside the window to focus on the house numbers.
There was a child jumping rope. Instantly she threw aside her jump rope and took off running hell-for-leather, poor kid.

 

[MACKTEXAS]

If pedophilia is found to be an inherited trait will society be more willing to accept pedophiles who have undergone treatment?

Your question seems to have no relevance to the post you're replying to. I should hope that nothing whatsoever will make society "more willing to accept pedophiles."

 

[Messy]

Not sure I follow. The demons talked? And said they had been there since he was born? And what makes it true? Or are you saying it's not true.?

I can't prove that it's true and demons lie, but I think it may be, cause that makes more sense to me than a baby with a pedophile brain, if they really experience it since birth, which I also find weird, cause babies are not occupied with sexuality.

AI: Spiritual/Counseling View: Some Christian counseling perspectives suggest that traumatic events or occult activity surrounding a birth can create an "open door" or "assignment" for demonic torment, often described as an "assignment from birth" to disrupt destiny.

 

[AutumnGal]

I can't prove that it's true and demons lie, but I think it may be, cause that makes more sense to me than a baby with a pedophile brain, if they really experience it since birth, which I also find weird, cause babies are not occupied with sexuality.

AI: Spiritual/Counseling View: Some Christian counseling perspectives suggest that traumatic events or occult activity surrounding a birth can create an "open door" or "assignment" for demonic torment, often described as an "assignment from birth" to disrupt destiny.

It sounds like an excuse to me.

I'm old school I guess, sorry.

At base level, it still is a choice. Imo. It can be helped. Any of us can choose to abstain from sex. Is it easy at certain points of life and urges? No, not always.

To me, there seems to be an excuse or "reason" for everything nowadays.

Have you ever wished someone dead just in your mind? I have. Would you do it? I would never.

I also think it's more about power and control over someone so vulnerable and who is not a challenge to them. So is rape imo. But then I do think some rape is just they think they can just take what they want... But again it is over someone they see as lesser, less able to fight back, etc.

Just my opinion of course.

 

[Messy]

It sounds like an excuse to me.

I'm old school I guess, sorry.

At base level, it still is a choice. Imo. It can be helped. Any of us can choose to abstain from sex. Is it easy at certain points of life and urges? No, not always.

To me, there seems to be an excuse or "reason" for everything nowadays.

Have you ever wished someone dead just in your mind? I have. Would you do it? I would never.

I also think it's more about power and control over someone so vulnerable and who is not a challenge to them. So is rape imo. But then I do think some rape is just they think they can just take what they want... But again it is over someone they see as lesser, less able to fight back, etc.

Just my opinion of course.

Oh but I don't mean to excuse it.

 

[AutumnGal]

Your question seems to have no relevance to the post you're replying to. I should hope that nothing whatsoever will make society "more willing to accept pedophiles."

I agree. And imo anyone who "accepts" it needs their head examined as well.

 

[Messy]

I can't even watch this. Someone who wants to get rid of pedophile feelings and is sorry, help them, but the others, what's the difference between a demon and this? He says they are not all pedophiles. There are psychopaths, sadists, who aren't even pedophile. Sorry but then I agree with Jimmy Swaggart. Tell em about Jesus and put em on an electric chair.

 

[AutumnGal]

Oh but I don't mean to excuse it. They can say no, but it's harder, but that's the ones who don't want it and would want to get locked up, delivered or castrated or even kill themselves.

Abstain from sex.. that's a demon or just flesh. Paul says: marry cause not everyone has that gift. But when I dated a guy who was addicted to porn, that was my choice and you open the door for a demon.

If he has been there since birth it doesn't mean the baby is an antichrist, but that it's harder, like with any sin. Your family drank. The demon will try to let you drink too and if you give in he can get you addicted.

So I sinned and an unclean demon could influence me and they kicked it out in church and any urge or feeling was just gone because I'm single.

I'm not saying you were excusing it. I was talking about the content of the post. Just to be clear.

 

[AutumnGal]

I can't even watch this. Someone who wants to get rid of pedophile feelings and is sorry, help them, but the others, what's the difference between a demon and this? He says they are not all pedophiles. There are psychopaths, sadists, who aren't even pedophile. Sorry but then I agree with Jimmy Swaggart. Tell em about Jesus and put em on an electric chair.

That's why I don't think they all can be generalized. Sometimes it is psychopaths, sadists, control freaks, whatever one wants to call it. Others that just take what they want when they want it with who is available. Serial killers too at times.

I agree on the electric chair. Or the DP.