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C'est Moi said:
My issue is not with the content of the video; it is with CENSORSHIP.

I have to disagree that there is "no financial incentive"; just wait till the vaccine is introduced and Big Pharma swoops in.

And as for Isaac Asimov, why on earth would anyone believe the "cult of ignorance" is an American phenomenon?
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Entities have the right to censor content on sites they own. Just ask @Matrix.

Agreed that the cult of ignorance isn't limited to Americans. Also that the vaccine will be a money-maker, presuming a vaccine comes about (not a certainty, by any means). Successful treatments seem more likely, and you know the costs of those will be sky high. Capitalism at its finest.
 

StarSong said:
Entities have the right to censor content on sites they own. Just ask @Matrix.

Agreed that the cult of ignorance isn't limited to Americans. Also that the vaccine will be a money-maker, presuming a vaccine comes about (not a certainty, by any means). Successful treatments seem more likely, and you know the costs of those will be sky high. Capitalism at its finest.
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From Youtube’s CEO

“We quickly remove flagged content that violate [sic] our Community Guidelines, including content that explicitly disputes the efficacy of local health authority recommended guidance on social distancing that may lead others to act against that guidance. (...) From the very beginning of the pandemic, we’ve had clear policies against COVID-19 misinformation and are committed to continue providing timely and helpful information at this critical time.”

I don’t disagree that vaccines will be a potential money maker. Those points I personally made regarding the lack of financial incentive are specifically limited to this current phase that we’re in. Right now, with no vaccine and no cure, diagnosis and palliative care is the best the medical profession can offer, and there are regulations governing those costs.

However once we reach the level of cures and vaccines (if we do) all bets are off!
 
And as for Isaac Asimov, why on earth would anyone believe the "cult of ignorance" is an American phenomenon?
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Because it is, C'est Moi. That doesn't mean it's only an American phenomenon, of course.
 

StarSong said:
Entities have the right to censor content on sites they own.
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Of course they do. But sadly they "have the right" to censor voices that do not agree with their own political leanings so the country only hears a VERSION of the "truth". And why do you keep invoking Matrix? Do you expect him to swoop in and "censor" me?
 
C'est Moi said:
Of course they do. But sadly they "have the right" to censor voices that do not agree with their own political leanings so the country only hears a VERSION of the "truth". And why do you keep invoking Matrix? Do you expect him to swoop in and "censor" me?
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No - my point was that we are familiar with Matrix's occasional removal of posts and revocation of SF membership, and we respect his right to do that because it is his site. We are here at his pleasure.

I don't want you censored, CM, far from it. I'm only saying that these entities are not public airwaves. They have the right to remove content they believe is inflammatory, untrue, or runs counter to public health and safety.
 
StarSong said:
No - my point was that we are familiar with Matrix's occasional removal of posts and revocation of SF membership, and we respect his right to do that because it is his site. We are here at his pleasure.

I don't want you censored, CM, far from it. I'm only saying that these entities are not public airwaves. They have the right to remove content they believe is inflammatory, untrue, or runs counter to public health and safety.
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I fully understand that the owners/operators of websites have the right to limit content. Matrix would probably allow politics if people could be trusted to not be crazy and hateful, but unfortunately that is not the case. Those are his rules and we abide by them or we can go elsewhere, and that is perfectly understandable.

In my opinion (and we all know what that is worth), there is a huge chasm between "freedom of speech" and the rules of a website. My issue with this thread, as I have stated before, is censorship. Allowing public voices to be censored is a very slippery slope, and people seem all too willing to give up their Constitutional rights these days.
 
C'est Moi said:
I fully understand that the owners/operators of websites have the right to limit content. Matrix would probably allow politics if people could be trusted to not be crazy and hateful, but unfortunately that is not the case. Those are his rules and we abide by them or we can go elsewhere, and that is perfectly understandable.

In my opinion (and we all know what that is worth), there is a huge chasm between "freedom of speech" and the rules of a website. My issue with this thread, as I have stated before, is censorship. Allowing public voices to be censored is a very slippery slope, and people seem all too willing to give up their Constitutional rights these days.
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Nobody is censoring these people, they're merely doing a Billy Joel kinda thing. "You can speak your mind, but not on my time." (More accurately: Not for free on my website platform.)
 
StarSong said:
Nobody is censoring these people, they're merely doing a Billy Joel kinda thing. "You can speak your mind, but not on my time." (More accurately: Not for free on my website platform.)
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Of course they are censoring them. (Much like "all women must be heard"... when it suits the agenda.) And I'm done with this conversation, much to everyone's relief.

Happy Mother's Day! 🌷
 
Sunny said:
It's a hoax. This just came up when I logged into Yahoo.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/virus-conspiracists-elevate-champion-160543349.html
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That is actually from the New York Times. From the comments on that article:

"I watched the video before it was censored and found some of the facts she quoted a little hard to accept. However, she also brought up a number of issues that need to be investigated and proven one way or another. Two issues bother me most, first, why are we using taxpayers to fund research and then allowing the labs, universities and drug companies to own and profit from the resulting patents (Bayh-Dole Act)? And finally, does Dr. Fauci in fact hold/own/profit from patents for vaccines developed at taxpayer expense? These facts are troubling and not a conspiracy if they can be proven, which should be easy."

And this one...

"I do not go in for conspiracy theories, and I did not watch the video, however, why is it censored? That just seems un-American to me. If someone wants to put up a response to the video, fine, but to censor it actually makes me think there may be some truth to it."
 
Just out of curiosity, if the NY Times or the Washington Post printed a story that going for a swim in the East River would keep you from getting COVID and there were all kinds of links and studies to back that up...would you do it?
 
Of course not, Marci. I was giving your extremely silly question the "wise guy" answer it deserved.

Anybody could come up with any ridiculous suggestion and then ask, "If your newspaper suggested that there might be some truth to it, would you do it?" This kind of question reminds me of the famous one issued by mothers down through the ages: "If everyone else went up on the roof and jumped off, would you do it?"

The most important word in your question is: "IF." Since the NY Times and the Washington Post have not published any such nonsense, why waste time on wild conjectures? But if you actually want a serious answer, it would be:

I would do all the research necessary to evaluate this idea. Since your question was apparently triggered off by the previous reference to cannabis, let's get away from the East River - it's too cold to go swimming anyway - and seriously look at the cannabis suggestion. I have never used weed, pot, or whatever name it currently goes by, and don't imagine I ever will. But I'd be interested in seeing what scientific research has to say about it. If the research looked genuine to me (and I'm pretty good at getting "false alarm" signals), I might ask my doctor about it.

With a killer disease like this, new theories proliferate as fast as virus mutations. Most of them are quickly disproved. Fortunately, some of the suggestions turn out to be right. Anyone jumping in and following every suggested idea is an idiot.
 

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