Prince Andrew sued by accuser (Epstein scandal)

This has been ongoing for several years.. well her accusations against him about historic sexual abuse. Unless he faces charges and found guilty at a trial for that, which up until now there's been no attempt at arrest or even any solid proof that he was guilty of underage ( altho' I do believe she was over 16 at the time) sexual abuse .. ..I doubt she'll ever stand a chance of any compensation whether financially or otherwise.
I feel extremely for her if she felt she was abused, ( but also I wonder why she never just walked out of the door, and left , she wasn't being being held a prisoner or being beaten, she was allowing herself to be used as a prositute ) but sadly the person whom she needs to really go after is dead if she felt she had no control over her own body .. Epstein, the Male Brothel owner who provided these teenage girls as prostitutes to the so called Elite is beyond her reach now.... and currently his Madam Maxwell is awaiting trial
 
He is not a favourite Royal generally and certainly not in
my eyes.

This unfortunate woman who was 17 at the time, which is
underage in America, yet she is pursuing a case in there
for incidents that happened here in the UK where the age
of consent is 16 years since around 1960s, except in Northern
Ireland, where it didn't change till about 2013 I think.

So as she agreed to fly to the UK, she must have known what
was going to happen, yet still came.

I would like to see her succeed and be compensated for the
wrongs that she experienced, but as hollydolly says she won't
be happy with the outcome.

Mike.
 
Come on...you're telling me that at 17 years old she didn't know right from wrong? She was flattered and enamored to be with a Royal. She saw dollar signs and probably fantasized about being his mistress. She's not so innocent as she would like everyone to think. HOWEVER....Edward is a lying coward, IMO. Nothing will happen to him because of who he is. Justice never comes to those who can afford to pay their way out of situations. We have a good example of that here in the US. All I can say about justice is.....we all will die some day and meet our Maker and stand before Him and we will be judged. Their lies and money won't get them out of it then.
 
Colleen said:
Come on...you're telling me that at 17 years old she didn't know right from wrong? She was flattered and enamored to be with a Royal. She saw dollar signs and probably fantasized about being his mistress. She's not so innocent as she would like everyone to think. HOWEVER....Edward is a lying coward, IMO. Nothing will happen to him because of who he is. Justice never comes to those who can afford to pay their way out of situations. We have a good example of that here in the US. All I can say about justice is.....we all will die some day and meet our Maker and stand before Him and we will be judged. Their lies and money won't get them out of it then.
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Andrew!! Edward is an innocent man as far as we know...
 
fuzzybuddy said:
Epstein may have been the organizer of underage prostitutes; but if Andrew partook in the abuse of these women, I see no reason why he shouldn't be held accountable.\
I am amazed by the adulation of some for "Royals". To me, they appear human.
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Of course they're human, they're adored by some, because they're seen as our leaders probably.. just as trump was adored by some in the USA or Obama.... not everyone by any stretch of the imagination are Monarchists, altho' I think most enjoy the pomp and ceremony when it gets rolled out.. but to give our Queen her due, for being the decent hard working - probably the most hard working Monarch in history.. I would think that her friendliness and fairness with other heads of state around the world.. have prevented many a potential war since she became Queen in 1952...
 
I know from personal experience how terrifying it can be to feel helpless in the “hands“ of the rich and powerful. 16/17 year olds have immature minds, easily manipulated. It is speculative to suggest she was a willing participant or that she was cash hungry. Please, let us not perpetuate the stereotype of blaming the victim for their own abuse.
 
Butterfly said:
Good luck to her trying to get him served. And even if she should get a default judgment (which I don't think you can do if you don't serve him), the chances of ever collecting a penny are, IMHO, slim and none.
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I did a little checking, it seems he must be served "personally" not through some Statutory or Consular agent, that's a rough one, you could not pay me enough to be that Process server. The lawsuit is a legal tactical one to force his hand due to World publicity and the Queen's wrath.
 
..................The three options open to Andrew were to settle the case before it comes to court, defend himself against the allegations or try to avoid service of the lawsuit against him by lieu of being in a foreign country.

If the suit is successfully physically served on him but he declines to cooperate with the court or present a defence, he runs the risk of a judgement being entered against him in absentia.

Unless he is prepared to defend himself in face in court, the lawsuit may effectively prevent Andrew from visiting the US where he was formerly a regular visitor. Richard Spafford, a partner at Reed Smith, said: “[If he travelled to the US] it would then be more difficult for him to argue that he is not subject to the jurisdiction of the [New York] court.”

Because it is a civil case, involving an unspecified claim for damages, and does not involve criminal charges, there is no prospect of the prince being extradited...............

Source: The Guardian
 
Mike said:
This unfortunate woman who was 17 at the time, which is
underage in America, yet she is pursuing a case in there
for incidents that happened here in the UK where the age
of consent is 16 years since around 1960s
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Age of consent is 16 in many states in the US. I think she was 17 when she claims she had sex with Andrew in Florida where the age of consent is 18.

I agree with @Colleen that this young woman knew what she was doing and did it willingly. Sure, Maxwell recruited her because she came from a broken family, but she had a choice. She lived with a sex trafficker for six months when she was 13 so it's not like she didn't know the game--that period of her life is the true tragedy. At the time she met Maxwell she was 16 and back with her father. She was never a captive and left when she met a guy she fell in love with; she stated she got from Epstein the comment "Have a nice life" when she left. Any one of her family members (who now express concern) could've asked authorities at any time to investigate why she was flying all over the world for extended periods of time with adults.

Some--not saying Roberts due to her experience at 13, but who knows--young women like the power their newly developed bodies give them over men and the opportunity for easy money. A group of girls when I was in college in the 80s who were the daughters of good families (one a favorite professor) shared an apartment where they took in sexual clients. They started renting an apartment for weekends secretly while in high school, then rented another apartment openly in college where they continued to 'work'. They knew exactly what they were doing and liked it before they were busted.
 
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mellowyellow said:
His arrogance of privilege is astounding and I hope she takes him to the cleaners.
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Assuming he is guilty I agree. And I have no reason to believe he is not.

The royal family are just people, other than being famously wealthy and privileged pretty much average so far as I can see. Problem is that most average people have restraints in life these folks lack.
 
ohioboy said:
I did a little checking, it seems he must be served "personally" not through some Statutory or Consular agent, that's a rough one, you could not pay me enough to be that Process server. The lawsuit is a legal tactical one to force his hand due to World publicity and the Queen's wrath.
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Yeah, and I bet he can dodge service until kingdom come.
 
hollydolly said:
I feel extremely for her if she felt she was abused, ( but also I wonder why she never just walked out of the door, and left , she wasn't being being held a prisoner or being beaten, she was allowing herself to be used as a prositute )
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I think she was groomed. So that probably messed with her head.
 
Considering how effective sexual/emotional manipulation techniques can be on adults, including FEAR, I think it speculative to suggest this teenager felt she had the capability to escape the clutches of these people, add the wealth and influence factor….
 

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