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I came across an interesting article posted by a member of the Mormon church. Your thoughts?

The vast majority of Catholic and Protestant churches believe in the Pagan concept of “trinity” which teaches that Jesus is NOT the son of God, but is God himself. Mormons believe Jesus Christ IS the son of God (like the Bible declares), and not a manifestation of the father who prayed and pleaded to himself. Moreover, the definition of trinity REQUIRES ‘one will’ - but Jesus is heard to say, “Father, if it's your will, take this cup of suffering away from me. However, not my will but your will must be done.” - Luke 22:42.

This means that Jesus had a SEPARATE will from the father! This makes ‘trinity’ impossible, and a flawed doctrine never taught by Jesus, or his followers - and was only introduced into Catholicism hundreds of years AFTER Jesus was crucified in order to sell Christianity to Roman pagans, who believed in a triune deity of Jupiter, Juno, and Minerva. Nothing about Trinity doctrine is Christian - and the ONE verse in the Bible which mentions all three members of this arrangement as a unified body is a proven forgery, known to scholars as the “Johannine Comma” (1John 5:7–8).
 

When God was in the form of Jesus, it was his earthly body that took the sins of the world, and also asked why God had forsaken him. The suffering was cosmic. and torn asunder they veil between man and God, given mankind direct access to the Holy Trinity through Jesus, the true spirit of God. Make sense?
 
@spectratg What does your pastor say about the concerns of your post ??

The apostle Paul, a disciple of Jesus, wrote in 2 Corinthians ... Chapter 13 verse 14 May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.

You also mention the book of John, where we also find ... Chapter 10 verse 30 I and the Father are one.

Looking to Matthew, we find ... Chapter 28 verse 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
 
It seems impossible that the one and only god contains three separate persons, yet still remains the one and only god. But the nuns taught us not to worry. This is a mystery, they said, and even though it can’t be explained, it is known to be true. Just have faith.
 
spectratg said:
I came across an interesting article posted by a member of the Mormon church. Your thoughts?

The vast majority of Catholic and Protestant churches believe in the Pagan concept of “trinity” which teaches that Jesus is NOT the son of God, but is God himself. Mormons believe Jesus Christ IS the son of God (like the Bible declares), and not a manifestation of the father who prayed and pleaded to himself. Moreover, the definition of trinity REQUIRES ‘one will’ - but Jesus is heard to say, “Father, if it's your will, take this cup of suffering away from me. However, not my will but your will must be done.” - Luke 22:42.

This means that Jesus had a SEPARATE will from the father! This makes ‘trinity’ impossible, and a flawed doctrine never taught by Jesus, or his followers - and was only introduced into Catholicism hundreds of years AFTER Jesus was crucified in order to sell Christianity to Roman pagans, who believed in a triune deity of Jupiter, Juno, and Minerva. Nothing about Trinity doctrine is Christian - and the ONE verse in the Bible which mentions all three members of this arrangement as a unified body is a proven forgery, known to scholars as the “Johannine Comma” (1John 5:7–8).
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I can't speak for the Catholics or Mormons(or the Pagans) but as a Lutheran we are taught the concept of the Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Ghost(Spirit). Admittedly it can be a bit confusing, but Jesus did have dialogue with the Father, and while occupying his human body was concerned about the agonizing end of his life on earth, that Jesus knew was coming. I think we all realize from our experience in life that we can indeed have multiple streams of consciousness, multiple views and thought processes going at once..."conversations", if you will.
I don't know if I've explained it adequately, but I'm personally at ease with the Trinity Bible references.
 
Pagans worship a Goddess, who has three aspects....youth, maturity and old age. The Catholic religion was manufactured, it is not based on fact, but what a group of men want people to believe. They needed to appeal to the pagans, so incorporated aspects of the pagan teaching.
What true Christians need to do is ignore the teaching of the established church and concentrate on the teachings of Jesus. He was mainly concerned with our eternal souls.
 
Speaking only from deeply profound personal experience after being struck by lightening, I will preface what I say with the thought that what I experienced was absolutely beyond human comprehension and my mind attempted to put the experience into a context my humble human mind might make sense of. And fully expect that some, perhaps many will scoff.

After traveling down a dark tunnel toward a bright light and initially being surrounded by shapeless, faceless beings who comforted me and prepared me for what was to come ... I perceived the light growing brighter and from the light a supreme being, a higher power came down to me and guided me into the light. He was one being. He did not tell me His name. On the other side of the light, I was judged and He gave me a choice. He sent me back as I had requested. On reflection, my mind was telling me he MIGHT have appeared as Jesus. He COULD have been God. He most definitely held the essence of a Holy Spirit.
 
Grampa Don said:
Blood has been shed over this question. Why does it really matter? Will you go to Hell if you pick the wrong one?
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I'm with you. I can't see that it matters, since I don't believe there is just one right answer/point of view/belief when it comes to our Creator. 2.4 Billion Christians and at least that many different interpretations of spirituality. And maybe they can all be true at the same time.
 
I think trying to understand the concept of the Trinity is like trying to nail Jello to a tree.

If the father is the father, and the son is the son, then the father must have somehow begotten or created the son. Now, one could argue that when Jesus was born, he became the son, but that's not what the Bible says.
John 17:5 Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.
So, if Jesus was the son before he was born, then he was an eternal son and therefore not a son, but a co-god. Either that, or he was created.

If Jesus says, "I and my father are one", or, "If you've seen me, you've seen the father", then how could it make sense to say "My father is greater than I".

Also the Bible says that God is a spirit, but how does Jesus sit on the right hand of a spirit? In addition, if the father is a spirit, then wouldn't that be the same thing as the Holy Spirit? Why two spirits in one God?

As you pointed out, the concept of the Trinity came about hundreds of years later, but it seems like an attempt to unify scriptures that are contradictory. JMO
 
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