Question about procedure.

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Ronni

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Please understand that this isn’t a political post. Even though we’re forbidden to post about politics here, I never discuss the subject anyway, even with close friends. This is a question about governmental procedure. I was born in Australia where the Queen’s rule reigns so I’m fuzzy on details.

Can a sitting president actually refuse to leave office when voted out, and if so who enforces his/her removal, and how?
 

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Keesha said:
This will turn political and I don’t know the answer but I think the military enforce it however I’m not sure.
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Well hopefully it won’t but if it does I’ll report the post and Admin can remove it. At least I hope it will work that way because I’d really appreciate being able to have a discussion about this.
 

Ronni said:
Well hopefully it won’t but if it does I’ll report the post and Admin can remove it. At least I hope it will work that way because I’d really appreciate being able to have a discussion about this.
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Well I hope it didn’t come off as a criticism since that’s not what I intended it to be but it is a serious consideration especially since it’s been threatened. My fear is that if it does happen, that it will divide the country so much that a civil war could start if it hasn’t already. It’s a worrisome thought that could actually happen.
 
Keesha said:
Well I hope it didn’t come off as a criticism since that’s not what I intended it to be but it is a serious consideration especially since it’s been threatened. My fear is that if it does happen, that it will divide the country so much that a civil war could start if it hasn’t already. It’s a worrisome thought that could actually happen.
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I never took it as criticism 💕 Its definitely a concern.

Yeah civil unrest and aggression would definitely be huge concern.
 
No the president can’t legally refuse to leave. Yes, plans are in the works if any president refuses to leave. It has been reported that if this should ever happen the US Marshall Service would do the escorting out, but some have reported that the secret service would be involved.

The US military WOULD NOT be involved.
 
With all that the world is going through now I am also worried about what is going to happen.If someone is voted out then they should leave or they are breaking the law.
 
The office furniture and the private residence are always cleared out way before the new president takes office so the new president has things ready when he moves in. The outgoing president generally leaves a letter for the new president. 🥳😂🤣

The new president generally shared the contents of that letter with the nation. Wonder what it will say? 😂
 
If the results of the election are in question they would probably impanel an Electoral Commission to sort it out under an old law from the 1870s.

The Act provided that the Electoral Commission was to consist of fifteen members: five representatives selected by the House, five senators selected by the Senate, four Supreme Court justices named in the law, and a fifth Supreme Court justice selected by the other four. The most senior justice was to serve as president of the Commission. Whenever two different electoral vote certificates arrived from any state, the Commission was empowered to determine which return was correct. The Commission's decisions could be overturned only by both houses of Congress.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_Commission_(United_States)#:~:text=To prevent a repetition of,is conclusive in most circumstances.

It would definitely get messy and probably be debated for generations to come.
 
But then it will be sorted out and we will then know how to do it, forever on. It’s been a very very interesting few years and lessons have been learned about ourselves as a nation and about other nations as well. Same with the worlds responses to the virus.

As human beings we move forward and carry on with our lives. Everything, as we learned from the Bible, has a time and place. Everything passes into history. Everything thing works out. Everything will be ok.

We are just waiting for the new chapter in our lives, as usual.
 
From what I understand, secret service personnel are assigned to protect retired presidents isn't that correct?

I have run a variety of scenarios through my head, and I can't see any way it wouldn't get messy when you have 2 sets of secret service personnel, one protecting the new president and one the retired president in a situation where there is a great deal of aggression and unrest. What a conflict of interest for those poor SS personnel!! :(
 
CarolfromTX said:
Why would you even go there? Did you honestly think it isn't political? I think I know the answer.
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Wait, what? Go where?

I'm not American @CarolfromTX. I have no dog in this fight. I am, and always have been, very curious about your government and its procedures because of how vastly different it is from the Queen's reign over Australia and the way things are conducted there.

I have no hidden agenda or ulterior motive for anyone who thinks so, apparently like Carol from Texas does. It's genuine curiosity on my part.
 
For a sitting president who feels he/she has been unfairly or illegally voted out of office, do they have any actual recourse?

A president is allowed to serve two terms, right? From what I understand, there's an amendment that prevents them from serving any longer, so legally they can't, unless I guess they challenge the amendment, and I have NO idea how that would be done!

But if it's just been one term, and the sitting president feels there has been some inequity in the voting process or there's been coercion or whatever scenario he/she feels like has made the voting inappropriate, is there recourse? I mean, it seems pretty unfair if there isn't. :(
 
Ronni said:
For a sitting president who feels he/she has been unfairly or illegally voted out of office, do they have any actual recourse?

A president is allowed to serve two terms, right? From what I understand, there's an amendment that prevents them from serving any longer, so legally they can't, unless I guess they challenge the amendment, and I have NO idea how that would be done!

But if it's just been one term, and the sitting president feels there has been some inequity in the voting process or there's been coercion or whatever scenario he/she feels like has made the voting inappropriate, is there recourse? I mean, it seems pretty unfair if there isn't. :(
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There isn’t any recourse. The electoral college actually elects our president and supposedly does it’s own thing, therefore the people can elect one president, by popular vote, and the college actually elect a different one. It’s very complicated. And do NOT get me started on hanging chads 😂.
 
I do not think this thread is political. We are talking about the election process, which is very complicated, and no one really understands it 🤦🏻‍♀️😱🤣
 
Ruthanne said:
Cmon you don't think the election or anything about it id political?? Get realistic.
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I am realistic. My answers haven’t been political, IMO. If other people cannot control their responses, and keep them not political, then those individual responses can be removed including any of mine. But, for people in other countries, the questions are valid.

But, the fact is, all elections have always been complicated. We have always waited for recounts, and the hanging chad situation, in Florida I think, was the most complicated close election that I remember. I haven’t goggled anything, not interested enough.

If you will recall one of our president in his second term had Alzheimer’s and his wife helped him with decisions. Some president died shortly after taking office and the Vice President took over. It’s all ashes in the wind. President, IMO, have never been that important but are figureheads. Congress and the Supreme Court have the power. This thread is not about them. @Ruthanne
 
Look. This isn’t intended to be a political post, at least not the way some of you believe it is.

Per dictionary.com plus several others I consulted just to check myself, is this...

“Politics: the activities associated with the governance of a country or other area; relating to the government or the public affairs of a country” And that is the only way in which I was approaching this question. I haven’t referred to any particular person, now would I, because my questions don’t relate to anyone in particular, they’re about PROCEDURE not personalities.

And to answer @Keesha’s question, no I’m not American. I wanted to keep my Australian citizenship so that my kids could have dual citizenship should that ever be of benefit to them. I’ve lived in the states since 1972. Even though I’m not an American citizen, I pay taxes just like the rest of you. 😉
 
Keesha said:
Deleted. I will gracefully bow out of this conversation.
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Keesh I respectfully disagree. I don’t know how to make it any clearer to everyone that it’s isn’t about a person. This is about how your government is run and what the procedures are depending on different scenarios.
 

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