applecruncher
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Not an issue; it won't happen anytime soon. Certainly not in our lifetime.
Race/Racism discussion
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Not an issue; it won't happen anytime soon. Certainly not in our lifetime.
hearlady
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I'm absolutely sure you did not say that people should not respect themselves and others.
I'm absolutely not implying that you did.
I don't think respecting ourselves and others is a solution in itself.
I stand by my statement that respecting ourselves and others IS PART of the solution.
Props to Rodney BTW
hearlady
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Again, Respect.
Well, looky there, this thread has caught me on a writing jag.
Forgive me.
I’m sure I’m prejudiced
I’m pretty sure everone is
Raised in the hills of Vernonia Oregon
Yes
Back woods
Not many blacks
Actually, none
Except one family
Up the hill from us
The Goodwins
Wonderful family
The father, a mountain of a man
A very nice man
Hard working
Built a fine house
The mother, sweet, accomplished
The kids, two boys, one girl
Our playmates
I knew they were different
They kidded me about it
Never a real issue
Folks burned ‘em out
Yes
Burned ‘em out
My folks were not instructional
Just taught us by example
Not sure the term ‘prejudice’ was bandied about that much in the mid-fifties. At least in our neck o’ the woods.
But they sat us down that day and explained unmitigated hatred to us
Hatred without reason
I was three
From then on I became prejudiced
Prejudiced against my own people
Oh, I don’t come a runnin’and huggin’ when I see folks of another color.
But I have some knowledge, some understanding….some.
My family is ’mixed’
Afro, mexi, native American, Irish
My wife is Cherokee
I like it that way
However
If some punk gangbangers, any race, gives me or mine any grief, I’m libel to take a few moments of my time, jerk the little sweethearts outa their vehicle.....and spank ‘em.
You know, treat ‘em as my own.
It has happened
I'm not easily trifled with
I admire your comments, applecruncher
(even though I hate the sound of apple crunching)
Keep a fire
On another note
Found out what it’s like to be in the minority
In mainland China
Parts of South America
Not too comfy
Nosir
Forgive me.
I’m sure I’m prejudiced
I’m pretty sure everone is
Raised in the hills of Vernonia Oregon
Yes
Back woods
Not many blacks
Actually, none
Except one family
Up the hill from us
The Goodwins
Wonderful family
The father, a mountain of a man
A very nice man
Hard working
Built a fine house
The mother, sweet, accomplished
The kids, two boys, one girl
Our playmates
I knew they were different
They kidded me about it
Never a real issue
Folks burned ‘em out
Yes
Burned ‘em out
My folks were not instructional
Just taught us by example
Not sure the term ‘prejudice’ was bandied about that much in the mid-fifties. At least in our neck o’ the woods.
But they sat us down that day and explained unmitigated hatred to us
Hatred without reason
I was three
From then on I became prejudiced
Prejudiced against my own people
Oh, I don’t come a runnin’and huggin’ when I see folks of another color.
But I have some knowledge, some understanding….some.
My family is ’mixed’
Afro, mexi, native American, Irish
My wife is Cherokee
I like it that way
However
If some punk gangbangers, any race, gives me or mine any grief, I’m libel to take a few moments of my time, jerk the little sweethearts outa their vehicle.....and spank ‘em.
You know, treat ‘em as my own.
It has happened
I'm not easily trifled with
I admire your comments, applecruncher
(even though I hate the sound of apple crunching)
Keep a fire
On another note
Found out what it’s like to be in the minority
In mainland China
Parts of South America
Not too comfy
Nosir
applecruncher
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Gary O' - that baby! :heart:
He wasn't too hot on hugs from Papaw
Didn't stop me...heh heh
hearlady
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Gary O', I naively thought your story would end happily for the Goodwins. It's horrifying.
I lived and worked in Panama for four years. They only spoke Spanish at my workplace so my two years of it in school was helpful. Plus I was a young woman so I got plenty of help from the young men.
You seem to be a wise man. Your little grandbaby is adorable and will love that picture when he gets older!
I lived and worked in Panama for four years. They only spoke Spanish at my workplace so my two years of it in school was helpful. Plus I was a young woman so I got plenty of help from the young men.
You seem to be a wise man. Your little grandbaby is adorable and will love that picture when he gets older!
hearlady
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https://www.alternet.org/print/civil-liberties/why-i-dont-talk-about-race-white-people
I read this last night. Gary O' is right Applecruncher, keep a fire.
I read this last night. Gary O' is right Applecruncher, keep a fire.
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Truly was
We kept contact thru the years
The mom was high up in the medical field
The kids educated themselves
Became examples in their communities
Funny...how some folks rise above, no matter what....
He does
He just turned 15
We joke around a lot
A
Lot
His brother has risen above some difficulties
Has become one to admire
He's chosen me as his mentor in a youth program
Quite the honor for this ol' coot
I'll expound on another thread
Apparently long before your time in Bartow as we were there in the late 1950's and 1960's time frame prior to moving to California. Remember I spoke of visiting my aunt and uncle and not about living their enough to learn about the town features. Then in the 1960's I was sent from my California job to the one they had in Boca Raton. Some 60 or so yearsback and the dates do get fuzzy.
Trade
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That's not a racial issue. That's a generational issue. Old people have been complaining about teenagers since time immemorial. You should have heard the old fart they got to speak at our High School graduation. He bitched us out the whole time about how the younger generation was going to be the ruination of society. That was in 1965, which is now considered the "good old days". I have heard that there are writings on the inside walls of the pyramids complaining about how bad kids are.
DaveA
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For those of you who have never seen a designated rest room or water bubbler etc.,, here's a pic of a restored railroad depot in Punta Gorda, FL. taken in 2009. It's a historic building and I believe that the rear of the building houses an antique shop. Being a New Englander, this was my first and only view of one of these "places". You can see the last couple of letters on the left leading to the "white" restroom.
With the exception of this reminder of sadder times the restoration is quite well done and slow freight trains still pass by on the adjacent railline.
And here's the complete structure.
With the exception of this reminder of sadder times the restoration is quite well done and slow freight trains still pass by on the adjacent railline.
And here's the complete structure.
CeeCee
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For those of you who have never seen a designated rest room or water bubbler etc.,, here's a pic of a restored railroad depot in Punta Gorda, FL. taken in 2009. It's a historic building and I believe that the rear of the building houses an antique shop. Being a New Englander, this was my first and only view of one of these "places". You can see the last couple of letters on the left leading to the "white" restroom.
With the exception of this reminder of sadder times the restoration is quite well done and slow freight trains still pass by on the adjacent railline.
And here's the complete structure.
Ive never seen any in places Ive lived throughout my life, just in pictures.
hearlady
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I suppose that example is generational, Trade.
ray188
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Three thoughts:
1) Much has been made about the need for majority people to understand the feelings of the minority people. How about minority people accepting the reality of the world that will never change. That does not mean people should be treated different but they appear different, but there will always be minorities - accept it
2) Many people tend to enjoy the company of their contemporaries and peers peers. That can also apply to race. It is not an insult, it is just a comfort level. I cannot see myself hanging around with gen-xers. Am I an "ageist"?
3) Words are just words - intent matters. Many moons ago (late '60s) a few of us were having a discussion along these lines. I argued as stated in the start of this line, others took the opposite. To make the point I went over to a Hispanic co-worker and said, "Hey, Juan, if I called you a spic, would I offend you?". He thought a bit and said, "No. But if Harry did, I'd kick his butt". Those words of wisdom remain with me today - it wasn't the word, it was the meaning based on our relationship.
1) Much has been made about the need for majority people to understand the feelings of the minority people. How about minority people accepting the reality of the world that will never change. That does not mean people should be treated different but they appear different, but there will always be minorities - accept it
2) Many people tend to enjoy the company of their contemporaries and peers peers. That can also apply to race. It is not an insult, it is just a comfort level. I cannot see myself hanging around with gen-xers. Am I an "ageist"?
3) Words are just words - intent matters. Many moons ago (late '60s) a few of us were having a discussion along these lines. I argued as stated in the start of this line, others took the opposite. To make the point I went over to a Hispanic co-worker and said, "Hey, Juan, if I called you a spic, would I offend you?". He thought a bit and said, "No. But if Harry did, I'd kick his butt". Those words of wisdom remain with me today - it wasn't the word, it was the meaning based on our relationship.
Warning: Want it to hurt just a little bit more? Hypocrisy.
I believe the US is now about equal between the whites and blacks. Maybe even more blacks than whites. So do we now come around with black neighborhoods and no whites allowed? We do have China town districts in many cities. Once upon a time we had a German district in Columbus Ohio. It may still be there. There were Greek districts, Italian, Spanish areas. Even down to Catholic areas or non Catholic areas.
Many, if not most, of these separate communities have withered and failed, yet we continue to bring them on to ourselves all the time.
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applecruncher
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@Bob F
You're way off re: number of whites vs blacks in US; it's not even close to being equal.
As of July 2016, white Americans are the racial majority. African Americans are the largest racial minority, amounting to 13.3% of the population. Hispanic and Latino Americans amount to 17.8% of the total U.S. population, making up the largest ethnic minority.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ethnicity_in_the_United_States
The area you refer to in Columbus is German Village on the edge of downtown. Various races live there, but mostly white although I don't know how many actual Germans. It's somewhat of a trendy. tourist area - cobblestone streets, quaint shops, and lots of good restaurants and delis which are quite busy at lunch time since they're close to the downtown business district and also the court houses. . Homes in German Village are large, old, mostly 2-story brick houses and very expensive. There are some rentals, but very few. Streets in GV are crowded, houses are close together and parking is often a nightmare.
As far as exclusion of any race from a neighborhood, that's illegal.
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Cap'nSacto
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Applecruncher, I want to address one of the 10 “excuses used” in the video you shared.
My paternal grandmother was Irish. Indeed, slavery and indentured servitude are different animals, but being an indentured servant was no walk in the park, which is why it was included in the Emancipation/Anti-slavery laws.
I’d like all blacks to know that it’s demeaning when they minimize the hardships and built-in exploitative aspects of indentured servitude, like it’s no big deal.
Indentured servitude. The "master" paid for the servant up-front to a sponsor, family member, agent, or jailer. In some cases, the servant paid his or her own indenture. The indenture term could be as few as 5 years or as long as 20, but was generally 10 to 15 years. During the term, the servant was not paid, but was provided “basic necessities.” At the end of the term the servant was freed unless his or her master extended the term. The servant had no say in this matter, and until the import of slaves from Africa greatly increased, extending indenture terms was a common practice.
Indentured servants could not marry without permission from their master, were subject to physical punishment, and had no legal rights. A master could sell his indentured servant before the term was completed, and a new length of term was decided. In these cases, the going rate for an Irish servant was $5. The going rate for a black slave was double that amount on average, but of course, the “term” of his or her enslavement was a lifetime.
The motivation for entering into indentured service was getting passage to a foreign land (not only America). Irish indentured servants included the poor, fugitives, and convicts, but also included tens of thousands of young men and women who were abducted. (Some argue that number was as high as 300,000 in pre-Revolutionary era.)
In addition to the benefit of eventually being freed, Irish indentured servants could more easily escape their masters because they were white and able to blend into almost any community. Indentured servitude was outlawed in the USA after the Civil War. Prior to that, in 1833, Britain cracked down on false indenture contracts – free Irish falsifying indenture contracts on family members to get them free passage to America – causing increased scrutiny of all indenture contracts and a slight decline in indentured servitude.
My paternal grandmother was Irish. Indeed, slavery and indentured servitude are different animals, but being an indentured servant was no walk in the park, which is why it was included in the Emancipation/Anti-slavery laws.
I’d like all blacks to know that it’s demeaning when they minimize the hardships and built-in exploitative aspects of indentured servitude, like it’s no big deal.
Indentured servitude. The "master" paid for the servant up-front to a sponsor, family member, agent, or jailer. In some cases, the servant paid his or her own indenture. The indenture term could be as few as 5 years or as long as 20, but was generally 10 to 15 years. During the term, the servant was not paid, but was provided “basic necessities.” At the end of the term the servant was freed unless his or her master extended the term. The servant had no say in this matter, and until the import of slaves from Africa greatly increased, extending indenture terms was a common practice.
Indentured servants could not marry without permission from their master, were subject to physical punishment, and had no legal rights. A master could sell his indentured servant before the term was completed, and a new length of term was decided. In these cases, the going rate for an Irish servant was $5. The going rate for a black slave was double that amount on average, but of course, the “term” of his or her enslavement was a lifetime.
The motivation for entering into indentured service was getting passage to a foreign land (not only America). Irish indentured servants included the poor, fugitives, and convicts, but also included tens of thousands of young men and women who were abducted. (Some argue that number was as high as 300,000 in pre-Revolutionary era.)
In addition to the benefit of eventually being freed, Irish indentured servants could more easily escape their masters because they were white and able to blend into almost any community. Indentured servitude was outlawed in the USA after the Civil War. Prior to that, in 1833, Britain cracked down on false indenture contracts – free Irish falsifying indenture contracts on family members to get them free passage to America – causing increased scrutiny of all indenture contracts and a slight decline in indentured servitude.
applecruncher
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@Cap'nSacto
All blacks don't do that, and to take it a step further I don't know of any who do. While there may be some who do what you're complaining about it's certainly nowhere near to the extent that you're alleging.
I'm not seeing what indentured servants have to do with racism. White people being indebted to other white people. :shrug:
All blacks don't do that, and to take it a step further I don't know of any who do. While there may be some who do what you're complaining about it's certainly nowhere near to the extent that you're alleging.
I'm not seeing what indentured servants have to do with racism. White people being indebted to other white people. :shrug:
From what you posted I am way wrong in my comments. I was thinking of a news comment or writing from a bunch of years back. If I knew who or where I would definitely make your comment known to them.
From your comments about German Village I would guess you have at least been there as a visitor. Or maybe you live in the area.
My sister and her husband, met in Ohio State and made it a lifetime agreement, had me stop in their to visit while on my way to California way back when. They had bought a house in the German area as an investment and were in the process of modernizing as much as they could and also stay within the guidelines of the association. After a couple years they sold and moved to where their jobs took them. Her husband had gotten into some sort of government accountant or book keep job. They did move some but mostly lived in New York state, near the state capital. I visited there with them and was invited by my sister to go to NYC and look around. I refused as my experiences in most cities was rather disappointing.
Sorry if I gave some folks false images of a new USA soon. Thanks for your inputs.
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Reading some of the exchanges here is the reason I do not enter these "discussions". Too personal, too many thin skinned participants.
applecruncher
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@Bob F
I live in a suburb of Columbus. Been to German Village quite a few times, but it's too crowded, houses too close together, and I'm not fond of cobblestone streets. However, there is a deli that is to.die.for. Yum.
I live in a suburb of Columbus. Been to German Village quite a few times, but it's too crowded, houses too close together, and I'm not fond of cobblestone streets. However, there is a deli that is to.die.for. Yum.
hearlady
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I know we won't solve racism here but if we can get anything, any tidbit of understanding, I think it's worth the jibs and jabs.
I did look up jibs and jabs to make sure it isn't a racist term. I'm serious. I'm thin skinned and I shutter to think I might offend someone. Maybe I was thinking of jive which isn't a racist term either. I checked.
I obviously miss the silly side of this thread.
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