Racial Injustice?

Keesha said:
"Rgp! You don’t know for sure that nobody cared because you can’t speak for everyone. In your personal opinion ; from your perspective , it may have appeared like nobody cared about them but you don’t know that for certain. Do you not think any of these people had friends or acquaintances? Church fellowship? Nurses / doctors / social services ?
Not everyone instantly hates others because governments decide to."

Each and every one from that era that I remember speaking to, at work, and socially did not care, and most did not trust.

Most everyone I remember speaking to about it , instantly hated Japanese people........period

"According to your personal opinion, everyone in the country hated her family merely because they have Japanese heritage."

I never noted her family.....But yes again, every one of the people I spoke to about it hated the Japanese.

"It certainly IS an opinion when you make broad sweeping generalizations about a race of people. Thats like saying all white people look the same.
No they don’t."

I made no mention of this.

"Yes you said that Japanese shouldn’t have attacked us..... meaning that’s all the justification needed for treating anyone ‘you’ ‘they’ deemed as the enemy."

You are the one asserting meaning......Not me.

"My main argument with you is that you don’t understand or recognize that your posts ARE racist. Yes I completely understand there was a war and this is how you were all trained but that doesn’t mean everyone in an entire country felt that same hatred as you and those you knew. That’s something you are assuming which is basically stereotyping an entire nation."

If you see my comments as only racist....that's your broad sweeping, narrow minded opinion.....But you are failing to see that they are also honest.
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Well it is happening in China as well. They now have signs in restaurants and other businesses stating no foreigners allowed. I follow a few different channels on YouTube that are American men married to Chinese wives and live in China. They have been discussing this on their videos. One guy is from Africa (and is white) and he has been harassed by the Chinese government a lot through the years. I think about this a lot since I grew up in the south during the sixties (but was from NY). One problem though is that following the news puts the wrong information in people's heads. They believe it. I try to learn about people in other countries and watch different sources so as not to get my information from one person's opinion.
 
No rgp. I do appreciate your honesty and I do understand your point of view. It was a war and countries were protecting themselves the best they could. That was the best solution the government could come up with at the time.

My mom was also being honest when she spread her hatred of the Japanese after the war so this mentality affected my life greatly. Her father was a POW for 5 years and was VERY messed up when he got out. After that every Japanese was an evil person who my mother felt the need to warn me about throughout my entire lifetime. Even people driving Japanese cars got cursed at. My mother never recovered and never sought help for her racist attitude.

Both parents were equally racist against the Germans however my father was allowed to have a German model of car. I’ll never forget the embarrassment of bringing friends over after school. My parents would instantly send them home based on their nationality.

I spent my life being raised by racist parents and it had an incredible impact on my mental well being so when I hear, read about others with the same mentality, it doesn’t sit well with me. Once again though, I understand it was a war.

Anyway this isn’t a pleasant subject so let’s just end it. I’ve got nothing against you personally rgp. I’ve always hated the divide and conquer mentality but that IS what war is. Unfortunately some people carry the hate forever and a day afterwards.
 

katlupe said:
Well it is happening in China as well. They now have signs in restaurants and other businesses stating no foreigners allowed. I follow a few different channels on YouTube that are American men married to Chinese wives and live in China. They have been discussing this on their videos. One guy is from Africa (and is white) and he has been harassed by the Chinese government a lot through the years. I think about this a lot since I grew up in the south during the sixties (but was from NY). One problem though is that following the news puts the wrong information in people's heads. They believe it. I try to learn about people in other countries and watch different sources so as not to get my information from one person's opinion.
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"One problem though is that following the news puts the wrong information in people's heads. They believe it. I try to learn about people in other countries and watch different sources so as not to get my information from one person's opinion."

Not all of the main-stream new is "wrong information". Use other sources ? definitely , but I do watch the MSN and when something catches my attention, I start looking around for the story elsewhere.
 
Keesha said:
No rgp. I do appreciate your honesty and I do understand your point of view. It was a war and countries were protecting themselves the best they could. That was the best solution the government could come up with at the time.

My mom was also being honest when she spread her hatred of the Japanese after the war so this mentality affected my life greatly. Her father was a POW for 5 years and was VERY messed up when he got out. After that every Japanese was an evil person who my mother felt the need to warn me about throughout my entire lifetime. Even people driving Japanese cars got cursed at. My mother never recovered and never sought help for her racist attitude.

Both parents were equally racist against the Germans however my father was allowed to have a German model of car. I’ll never forget the embarrassment of bringing friends over after school. My parents would instantly send them home based on their nationality.

I spent my life being raised by racist parents and it had an incredible impact on my mental well being so when I hear, read about others with the same mentality, it doesn’t sit well with me. Once again though, I understand it was a war.

Anyway this isn’t a pleasant subject so let’s just end it. I’ve got nothing against you personally rgp. I’ve always hated the divide and conquer mentality but that IS what war is. Unfortunately some people carry the hate forever and a day afterwards.
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That is the ONLY point I was making Keesha...and I appreciate your understanding it.
 
rgp said:
That is the ONLY point I was making Keesha...and I appreciate your understanding it.
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Well, RGP, I don’t think you are a racist in this discussion, idk otherwise 😂. One of the reasons the Japanese were put into camps or sent to farms to work was because of their close ties with relatives back home. IMO, it had less to do with how they looked as a race but more about close ties to their homeland, Japan, and close ties to their families still in Japan.

The government was worried that because of those ties they might give information, knowingly or knowingly, to the enemy, their family in Japan. As for hatred after the war, yes, of course, while engaging in negotiations they bombed Pearl Harbor killing innocents. Everyone killed at Pearl Harbor was innocent of any wrong doing towards Japan. It was viewed as a cowardly act.

People of that time period, for the most part, hated everyone who was different from them. Whites hated everyone who was DIFFERENT from them, and everyone who was other than white hated everyone DIFFERENT from them including white people.

We must remember that it was NOT even about race a lot of times. The Irish were as white as driven snow but hated because they were Irish. And because they were, for the most part, Catholic. Jewish people, white Jewish people, were hated because they were Jewish. And on and on. There are lots of reasons to hate someone who is different.

As far as I know there is only one person on this forum who is a racist and that person labeled himself as a racist. Putting labels on people is wrong, labeling people for what they write, which can be misunderstood, misread, and/or misconstrued is really wrong. We do not know each other in person. We should not label people! IMO.
 
Aneeda72 said:
Well, RGP, I don’t think you are a racist in this discussion, idk otherwise 😂. One of the reasons the Japanese were put into camps or sent to farms to work was because of their close ties with relatives back home. IMO, it had less to do with how they looked as a race but more about close ties to their homeland, Japan, and close ties to their families still in Japan.

The government was worried that because of those ties they might give information, knowingly or knowingly, to the enemy, their family in Japan. As for hatred after the war, yes, of course, while engaging in negotiations they bombed Pearl Harbor killing innocents. Everyone killed at Pearl Harbor was innocent of any wrong doing towards Japan. It was viewed as a cowardly act.

People of that time period, for the most part, hated everyone who was different from them. Whites hated everyone who was DIFFERENT from them, and everyone who was other than white hated everyone DIFFERENT from them including white people.

We must remember that it was NOT even about race a lot of times. The Irish were as white as driven snow but hated because they were Irish. And because they were, for the most part, Catholic. Jewish people, white Jewish people, were hated because they were Jewish. And on and on. There are lots of reasons to hate someone who is different.

As far as I know there is only one person on this forum who is a racist and that person labeled himself as a racist. Putting labels on people is wrong, labeling people for what they write, which can be misunderstood, misread, and/or misconstrued is really wrong. We do not know each other in person. We should not label people! IMO.
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Exactly...and you further my point...

BTW......."idk otherwise"?
 
Aneeda72 said:
With who? China? Nope.
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I’m not getting into this any further. It’s a topic about hate and it’s political.
Aneeda72 said:
Well, RGP, I don’t think you are a racist in this discussion, idk otherwise 😂. One of the reasons the Japanese were put into camps or sent to farms to work was because of their close ties with relatives back home. IMO, it had less to do with how they looked as a race but more about close ties to their homeland, Japan, and close ties to their families still in Japan.

The government was worried that because of those ties they might give information, knowingly or knowingly, to the enemy, their family in Japan. As for hatred after the war, yes, of course, while engaging in negotiations they bombed Pearl Harbor killing innocents. Everyone killed at Pearl Harbor was innocent of any wrong doing towards Japan. It was viewed as a cowardly act.

People of that time period, for the most part, hated everyone who was different from them. Whites hated everyone who was DIFFERENT from them, and everyone who was other than white hated everyone DIFFERENT from them including white people.

We must remember that it was NOT even about race a lot of times. The Irish were as white as driven snow but hated because they were Irish. And because they were, for the most part, Catholic. Jewish people, white Jewish people, were hated because they were Jewish. And on and on. There are lots of reasons to hate someone who is different.

As far as I know there is only one person on this forum who is a racist and that person labeled himself as a racist. Putting labels on people is wrong, labeling people for what they write, which can be misunderstood, misread, and/or misconstrued is really wrong. We do not know each other in person. We should not label people! IMO.
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Yes there are many reasons why people conquer and divide , religion certainly being one of them but for the record here, I did NOT call rgp a racist. That would be attacking him personally. What I stated was that ‘his post’ was racist. It’s racist when you state that ‘everyone hated x race,’ no matter what the race.

Please re-read my posts.
 
I call it the CCP Virus. It's not the fault of the Chinese people that the Chinese Communist Party lied and let the contagion get out of hand. "CCP Virus" places blame squarely where it belongs.
 
Keesha said......"I’m not getting into this any further. It’s a topic about hate and it’s political. "

Those are exactly the topics that should be discussed Keesha.....If a topic is hateful & ugly? It is not going to get better by ignoring it. Instead, discuss it with an intent on improving it , or if it is absolutely wrong?....Ending it.

Just ask the Jews [of Europe] 1930's, that chose to ignore some of the reports of the goings on in other countries.....or perhaps just one Ghetto away.....By the time truth came to them.....it was too late.
 
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Keesha said:
I’m not getting into this any further. It’s a topic about hate and it’s political.

Yes there are many reasons why people conquer and divide , religion certainly being one of them but for the record here, I did NOT call rgp a racist. That would be attacking him personally. What I stated was that ‘his post’ was racist. It’s racist when you state that ‘everyone hated x race,’ no matter what the race.

Please re-read my posts.
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rgp said:
Exactly...and you further my point...

BTW......."idk otherwise"?
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Yes, I don‘t know you personally so I have no way of knowing your views towards everyone or anyone. And no one knows if I am racists towards any set group or if anyone else is racists except the one member who stated he was a racists, which is distasteful but not illegal.
 
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Keesha said:
Rgp! You don’t know for sure that nobody cared because you can’t speak for everyone. In your personal opinion ; from your perspective , it may have appeared like nobody cared about them but you don’t know that for certain. Do you not think any of these people had friends or acquaintances? Church fellowship? Nurses / doctors / social services ?
Not everyone instantly hates others because governments decide to.

According to your personal opinion, everyone in the country hated her family merely because they have Japanese heritage.

It certainly IS an opinion when you make broad sweeping generalizations about a race of people. Thats like saying all white people look the same.
No they don’t.

Yes you said that Japanese shouldn’t have attacked us..... meaning that’s all the justification needed for treating anyone ‘you’ ‘they’ deemed as the enemy.

My main argument with you is that you don’t understand or recognize that your posts ARE racist. Yes I completely understand there was a war and this is how you were all trained but that doesn’t mean everyone in an entire country felt that same hatred as you and those you knew. That’s something you are assuming which is basically stereotyping an entire nation.
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Ok, found the your post saying his POSTS are racist. A fine line for sure, so let me restate. I do not think or feel that RGP posts are racist.
 
rgp said:
Keesha said......"I’m not getting into this any further. It’s a topic about hate and it’s political. "

Those are exactly the topics that should be discussed Keesha.....If a topic is hateful & ugly? It is not going to get better by ignoring it. Instead, discuss it with an intent on improving it , or if it is absolutely wrong?....Ending it.

Just ask the Jews [of Europe] 1930's, that chose to ignore some of the reports of the goings on in other countries.....or perhaps just one Ghetto away.....By the time truth came to them.....it was too late.
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Perhaps but from past experience, it’s these types of threads that divide the human race by judgments that DON’T improve anything. They just stir up bad emotions for all concerned and that includes discussions & debates about region which is probably why politics is BANNED from discussion here. I’m merely following the rules 😎
 
Keesha said:
No fine line at all.
My judgment was based primarily on his ‘opinion,’ but thanks once again for moderating my posts.
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I didn’t moderate your posts. You asked me to reread your posts, I did as you asked. I gave my opinion of your opinion of RGP’s opinion which I am entitled to do. I have no problem with you disagreeing with my opinion. It is my “opinion” that when someone disagrees with you, Keesha, you get sarcastic, and judgmental, as you mention above.

But this is my opinion, it is not a judgement. My opinion is, if you say someone’s posts are racist, then you imply the person making the post is racist. I don’t believe in labels for people or opinions. I try hard not to be judgmental, I often fail, for which I am sorry.

But I love discussions like this, and I love all discussions about anything. Such discussions may not “change anything”, but they make you take a good look at your opinions when your opinions are seen through and interpreted by the “eyes“ of someone else.
 
Aneeda72 said:
I didn’t moderate your posts. You asked me to reread your posts, I did as you asked. I gave my opinion of your opinion of RGP’s opinion which I am entitled to do. I have no problem with you disagreeing with my opinion. It is my “opinion” that when someone disagrees with you, Keesha, you get sarcastic, and judgmental, as you mention above.

But this is my opinion, it is not a judgement. My opinion is, if you say someone’s posts are racist, then you imply the person making the post is racist. I don’t believe in labels for people or opinions. I try hard not to be judgmental, I often fail, for which I am sorry.

But I love discussions like this, and I love all discussions about anything. Such discussions may not “change anything”, but they make you take a good look at your opinions when your opinions are seen through and interpreted by the “eyes“ of someone else.
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I will tell you what a Professor told me one time about opinions. It went 'something' like this. "When people tend to disagree and offer opinions, it is very likely that no one will change their mind and thus; come to an agreement." From that I would often listen to people discuss whatever and see if one person would change the other person's mind by offering up his/her opinion." In most cases, no, it doesn't happen.

So, like people say, it's OK to have an opinion about most anything, but if you can't come to an agreement, then it's best to agree to disagree and move on. Continuing the he-said, she-said thing only causes hard feelings or maybe worse.
 
Keesha said:
Perhaps but from past experience, it’s these types of threads that divide the human race by judgments that DON’T improve anything. They just stir up bad emotions for all concerned and that includes discussions & debates about region which is probably why politics is BANNED from discussion here. I’m merely following the rules 😎
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Again, you make my point...Blindly following the "rules".... is exactly what caused the Jews of Europe to be pushed into the ghettos , then the camps.
 
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