Record-High 70% in U.S. Support Same-Sex Marriage

Murrmurr said:
Yeah, but (imo) that shouldn't be the case at all. Government should have nothing whatsoever to do with marriage.
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Really?

Child marriage is still legal in the US
December 11, 2017
https://theconversation.com/child-marriage-is-still-legal-in-the-us-88846

(excerpt) The recent outrage over Alabama Republican Senate candidate Roy Moore allegedly targeting teenage girls for sex has elicited reports that some evangelical churches actually encourage teenage girls to date older men.

It seems unlikely that Moore was ever interested in marrying any of the women who have thus far accused him of unwanted sexual attention and assault. However, Moore is married to a woman 14 years his junior whom he first met when she was 15 and he was 29. These conversations about older men dating and marrying young girls have left many Americans surprised. The reality is that these practices are still around, as I learned in researching my recent book, “American Child Bride: A History of Minors and Marriage in the United States.”

Minors and marriage​

Child marriage has a long and vibrant history in the United States. While activists have long urged legislators to raise the age of consent to marriage – and continue to do so – with parental consent it remains possible for minors to marry in every single state.
 

Lethe200 said:
Really?

Child marriage is still legal in the US
December 11, 2017
https://theconversation.com/child-marriage-is-still-legal-in-the-us-88846

(excerpt) The recent outrage over Alabama Republican Senate candidate Roy Moore allegedly targeting teenage girls for sex has elicited reports that some evangelical churches actually encourage teenage girls to date older men.

It seems unlikely that Moore was ever interested in marrying any of the women who have thus far accused him of unwanted sexual attention and assault. However, Moore is married to a woman 14 years his junior whom he first met when she was 15 and he was 29. These conversations about older men dating and marrying young girls have left many Americans surprised. The reality is that these practices are still around, as I learned in researching my recent book, “American Child Bride: A History of Minors and Marriage in the United States.”

Minors and marriage​

Child marriage has a long and vibrant history in the United States. While activists have long urged legislators to raise the age of consent to marriage – and continue to do so – with parental consent it remains possible for minors to marry in every single state.
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Yes, really. Nowhere did I say the gov't shouldn't protect children.
 
Define "child" marriage. In my state boys/young ,men can marry @ 18. However girls can marry @ 16.

Too me, these are not children.

See link ....................

In Ohio, state law requires that boys be at least 18 years old to marry. For girls, however, that legal age is set at 16, as long as parental consent is given on the marriage license for minors.

http://womenspublicpolicynetwork.or...018/01/WPPN_ChildMarriage_Factsheet_FINAL.pdf
 

Serenity4321 said:
I used to believe same-sex marriage was wrong..and my argument was always... if they married it should be called a partnership not marriage. I thought the word marriage should be strictly for male/female couples as I believed that was the best environment for raising children. A father and mother role model IMO was very important..perhaps because that is what I had? But times have changed and the divorce rate is through the roof so more acceptance and non-judgment is my goal now...
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Serenity, your (former) logic may have made sense in the 19th century, but it is totally out of touch with today's reality. I'm glad you've seen the light.
Many of us have changed our opinions on these things.

As others have pointed out, gay people now can and do have children if they want them.

Many people marry for reasons having nothing to do with procreation. Some people just don't want kids. That seems to be increasing; the birth rate is dropping dramatically, at least in this country. And some people marry later in life. Kids have nothing to do with it.

Above all, it is nobody's business other than the couple themselves. Why should anyone care? They are committing no crime, harming no one, and are often good friends and neighbors. So, why should their sexual preference be a matter for government interference?

The "child marriage" issue is another matter. Not sure when I believe childhood officially ends. But obviously, children have to be protected and not used to act out someone's agenda. That is an area where the government has to get involved. But it's a completely different issue than gay marriage.
 
Sunny said:
Serenity, your (former) logic may have made sense in the 19th century, but it is totally out of touch with today's reality. I'm glad you've seen the light.
Many of us have changed our opinions on these things.

As others have pointed out, gay people now can and do have children if they want them.

Many people marry for reasons having nothing to do with procreation. Some people just don't want kids. That seems to be increasing; the birth rate is dropping dramatically, at least in this country. And some people marry later in life. Kids have nothing to do with it.

Above all, it is nobody's business other than the couple themselves. Why should anyone care? They are committing no crime, harming no one, and are often good friends and neighbors. So, why should their sexual preference be a matter for government interference?

The "child marriage" issue is another matter. Not sure when I believe childhood officially ends. But obviously, children have to be protected and not used to act out someone's agenda. That is an area where the government has to get involved. But it's a completely different issue than gay marriage.
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Well, 19th century or today, they are not "gay" gay means happy ........ they are queer, look it up, it means odd, etc, and wow are they ever.

They [the queers] keep saying that they want to be accepted as normal ....... well they're not ........ period. If they are, why do they need their own parades ? their own month ? Why do they feel a need to keep telling the rest of us how normal they are ? "Normal" people do not need these things.

Why do they need , as a separate group, protection status ? Any crime committed against them is a crime committed against humans, why is it worse when these crimes are committed against the queers ?

I don't care who they "love" or who they screw. But they keep trying to tell us that they are normal, and the rest of us should accept them. Well I do not, they are approximately 1 to 1.5 % of the population ...... normal ? I think not.

If they can't have "normal" they want to be thought of as "special" IMO, they certainly are neither.

They just want to be different, and they just luv the attention they bring about themselves.
 
No "government" rules and/or regulations. Are we talking about the "honor" system here. Will neighborhood gangbangs be OK if anyone wants to participate? Multiple wives and/or husbands?Will their be any problem impregnating numerous females and just moving on to the next "true love"? I realize that this happens today,, but similar to highway speeding laws, at least there's an attempt by some of the people to comply with some sort of order.

If we're not at least trying to have stable families, what happens to the kids that are born, as people move on to form other families or are they just collateral damage.

Personally I don't care who marries who, but to eliminate any semblance of order and everyone does what they feel is right AT THE MOMENT, I think leads to complete chaos.

No government interference with any form of behavior? Why stop at marriage. There's many facets of our lives that are stymied, at times, by what we see as government interference but in the big picture, doesn't it provide some semblance or order to our society as a whole?

And in case anyone tries to tie this to a "gay marriage" issue, they are dead wrong. I'm talking about the subject of marriage (gay or straight) and whether some form of community behavior should prevail rather than everyone one following their own desires or likes.
 
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DaveA said:
No "government" rules and/or regulations. Are we talking about the "honor" system here. Will neighborhood gangbangs be OK if anyone wants to participate? Multiple wives and/or husbands?Will their be any problem impregnating numerous females and just moving on to the next "true love"? I realize that this happens today,, but similar to highway speeding laws, at least there's an attempt by some of the people to comply with some sort of order.

If we're not at least trying to have stable families, what happens to the kids that are born, as people move on to form other families or are they just collateral damage.

Personally I don't care who marries who, but to eliminate any semblance of order and everyone does what they feel is right AT THE MOMENT, I think leads to complete chaos.

No government interference with any form of behavior? Why stop at marriage. There's many facets of our lives that are stymied, at times, by what we see as government interference but in the big picture, doesn't it provide some semblance or order to our society as a whole?

And in case anyone tries to tie this to a "gay marriage" issue, they are dead wrong. I'm talking about the subject of marriage (gay or straight) and whether some form of community behavior should prevail rather than everyone one following their own desires or likes.
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" Will neighborhood gangbangs be OK if anyone wants to participate? "

Well, I found out about two years ago that we have that very thing just outside our little village. An on premises "swing club" . The village has made several attempts to close it, but because it is just outside the village limit, to shut it down requires a majority support of the entire county, which the movement against it does not have.

A friend of mine [after about 3 years a widower] went there. He says he heard it was a dating club LOL...He said lawd all-mighty ...... the things they do in there , he never went back [again] LOL......

So I guess it's here to stay ?
 
rgp related to us, "A friend of mine [after about 3 years a widower] went there. He says he heard it was a dating club LOL...He said lawd all-mighty ...... the things they do in there , he never went back [again] LOL......"

Having said this, I think you owe it to us to pay a visit to this "neighborhood group" and fill us in on the details!!! 🤣
 
I think it's 70% because people don't care one way or the other. It's like, "Go do your own thing and leave me alone." I don't know if you call that being supportive, but it's kind of a neutrality thing, like abortion and being Pro-Choice. If it doesn't affect me, why should I care?
(I may have just opened the proverbial can of worms, but let's hope not, or this thread may get pulled.)
 
DaveA said:
rgp related to us, "A friend of mine [after about 3 years a widower] went there. He says he heard it was a dating club LOL...He said lawd all-mighty ...... the things they do in there , he never went back [again] LOL......"

Having said this, I think you owe it to us to pay a visit to this "neighborhood group" and fill us in on the details!!! 🤣
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No thank you !!! I choose not to , and they're glad I don't, trust me .
 
Sunny said:
Serenity, your (former) logic may have made sense in the 19th century, but it is totally out of touch with today's reality. I'm glad you've seen the light.
Many of us have changed our opinions on these things.

As others have pointed out, gay people now can and do have children if they want them.

Many people marry for reasons having nothing to do with procreation. Some people just don't want kids. That seems to be increasing; the birth rate is dropping dramatically, at least in this country. And some people marry later in life. Kids have nothing to do with it.

Above all, it is nobody's business other than the couple themselves. Why should anyone care? They are committing no crime, harming no one, and are often good friends and neighbors. So, why should their sexual preference be a matter for government interference?

The "child marriage" issue is another matter. Not sure when I believe childhood officially ends. But obviously, children have to be protected and not used to act out someone's agenda. That is an area where the government has to get involved. But it's a completely different issue than gay marriage.
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LOL well I am happy I learned something in 50 years :D
I do agree with all you stated....
 
rgp said:
Define "child" marriage. In my state boys/young ,men can marry @ 18. However girls can marry @ 16.

Too me, these are not children.

See link ....................

In Ohio, state law requires that boys be at least 18 years old to marry. For girls, however, that legal age is set at 16, as long as parental consent is given on the marriage license for minors.

http://womenspublicpolicynetwork.or...018/01/WPPN_ChildMarriage_Factsheet_FINAL.pdf
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No, it is now 18 for both, except as indicated in 3101.02.

https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-3101.01
 
I have always supported Gay marriage - and stood up for a niece who was marrying her long time friend Beth. (I was officially the Best Person.)

My theory is/was that they should be allowed to suffer like the rest of us.
 
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