Religion Made Simple by Me

Knight said:
Logically prehistoric mankind were off spring of Adam & Eve.

Prehistoric mankind were given housing in villages out in the open because the predators capable of killing them were not part of the selected life forms allowed sanctuary.

The villages somehow became separate as time passed. Probably due to the incest that had to take place.


Seems reasonable to conclude over the years the humans that died that were genetically related to the inhabitants in the various villages would be reunited were their ancestors.

Some might question, what about the space needed to accommodate the billions that have died?

Remember God is all knowing so while creating heaven & earth God pre-planned space to accommodate family reunification. There is a separate area apart from our universe.
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Unfortunately, this assumption is not in line scripture. In scripture, as I understand it to get to heaven you must go through JC. You must believe. You must repent your sins. You must ask for forgiveness. Other religions may have different rules. These are Christian rules.

If you refuse JC, then you refuse heaven. God was fairly unforgiving that’s why JC was born, to forgive us. But, I could be wrong. I’ve been wrong before, and will be again. So, if you can’t go to heaven and don’t qualify for hell, where do you go?

As those born before JC, I don’t think they get to go to heaven. Was there a heaven before JC? Is it mentioned in the Old Testament?
 

Aneeda72 said:
Unfortunately, this assumption is not in line scripture. In scripture, as I understand it to get to heaven you must go through JC. You must believe. You must repent your sins. You must ask for forgiveness. Other religions may have different rules. These are Christian rules.

If you refuse JC, then you refuse heaven. God was fairly unforgiving that’s why JC was born, to forgive us. But, I could be wrong. I’ve been wrong before, and will be again. So, if you can’t go to heaven and don’t qualify for hell, where do you go?

As those born before JC, I don’t think they get to go to heaven. Was there a heaven before JC? Is it mentioned in the Old Testament?
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Are you posting that JC took over the job of OK'ing who get's into heaven? That as a concept really does define the "creator" as a uncaring "creator". Kind of sounds like a person could choose to be vile, their entire life & if just before death you repent your sins & ask for forgiveness you'll get to go wherever the people that have lived their entire life living as nice people. Doesn't seem fair to get a pass at the last minute does it? .

As for those that never got the chance to be told that there was a JC that would judge them as worthy or not. I guess they help fertilize the soil & feed worms.
 

I didn't read the whole thread,but I don't believe there is a Hell. I think Hell is here on earth. Where else can you go through the pain of losing loved ones, like we do here on earth. To me there is no greater pain than that. Where we go when we die I don't know.
 
Knight said:
Are you posting that JC took over the job of OK'ing who get's into heaven? That as a concept really does define the "creator" as a uncaring "creator". Kind of sounds like a person could choose to be vile, their entire life & if just before death you repent your sins & ask for forgiveness you'll get to go wherever the people that have lived their entire life living as nice people. Doesn't seem fair to get a pass at the last minute does it? .

As for those that never got the chance to be told that there was a JC that would judge them as worthy or not. I guess they help fertilize the soil & feed worms.
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I am saying, as far as I know, that’s what the scripture says. It’s not what I said. I am not in charge of who gets anywhere. But you can google and let me know what you come up with. I don’t think heaven is even mentioned in the Old Testament.

Unfortunately, being nice does not win you a place in heaven. It’s being without sin and being righteous that is the key. Or repenting your sins. Or, gaining the forgiveness of JC, who then influences God the Father. It’s very complicated.
 
Oh, Sassy, I have a seat in Heaven....I think it will be calmer there....But now I will still try to take care of me …… I still want to see
my grandchildren happy...either with a person they love or just have them happy themselves....
Sometimes here on earth is Hell....We went through our loved ones dying...I don't want my kids and grandkids to die before me...
God Willing!!!!
 
peppermint said:
Oh, Sassy, I have a seat in Heaven....I think it will be calmer there....But now I will still try to take care of me …… I still want to see
my grandchildren happy...either with a person they love or just have them happy themselves....
Sometimes here on earth is Hell....We went through our loved ones dying...I don't want my kids and grandkids to die before me...
God Willing!!!!
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How do you know you are going to heaven? I get told this all the time by complete strangers, as does my husband, because we adopted two disabled children. One has DS, the other is total care, how does doing that earn us a place in heaven? Why do people think this?
 
Sassycakes said:
I didn't read the whole thread,but I don't believe there is a Hell. I think Hell is here on earth. Where else can you go through the pain of losing loved ones, like we do here on earth. To me there is no greater pain than that. Where we go when we die I don't know.
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I agree. I don’t believe there is a hell.
 
Aneeda72 said:
There is a differ of opinion in the Catholic Church at this time. The Pope announced everyone would go to heaven and the church tried to explain what he meant 🤣. Since what he said is not in line with scripture. Sound familiar? 😂

The Bible with its various books is confusing and unreadable for most people since the education level of most people is not up to par and even if it is, the Bible is still difficult. IMO, everyone goes to heaven who wants to go to heaven. Some people don‘t want to go.

Where do they go, I have no ideal?
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Dang, I missed it (Pope comment) - He is definitely one of the more interesting people to hold that position! I read the bible (the King James version of old and new testaments, Red Letter Edition, with cover that says "Holy Bible - Concordance" decades ago, front to back. It read like a gruesome sci-fi series to me. I tend to over-think even the simplest things, so imagine the brain-mush that I got in that read. As to where people go who don't expressly state their preference for heaven - well, limbo always sounded good to me! (Wow - now I wonder if limbo is a strictly Catholic construct!) ... Google, Google - Yep - but disavowed by the Catholic church in 2007.
 
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@Knight

Here‘s what I found
Ephesians 2:8-9
”For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-not by works, so that no one can boast.”

Acts 2:38
”Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.”

This would apply only to Christians, of course.
 
Empty said:
Dang, I missed it (Pope comment) - He is definitely one of the more interesting people to hold that position! I read the bible (the King James version of old and new testaments, Red Letter Edition, with cover that says "Holy Bible - Concordance" decades ago, front to back. It read like a gruesome sci-fi series to me. I tend to over-think even the simplest things, so imagine the brain-mush that I got in that read. As to where people go who don't expressly state their preference for heaven - well, limbo always sounded good to me! (Wow - now I wonder if limbo is a strictly Catholic construct!) ... Google, Google
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You can google the Pope’s comment and the response of the Church. Was interesting.
 
Aneeda72 said:
How do you know you are going to heaven? I get told this all the time by complete strangers, as does my husband, because we adopted two disabled children. One has DS, the other is total care, how does doing that earn us a place in heaven? Why do people think this?
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But Aneeda, why be disturbed by these statements? The are well meant and kindly comments by people who admire what you are doing or have done. If their manner of saying this includes a touch of (their) religion, it's most likely because to them - -this is the highest of compliments. As children they were most likely taught this or something similar, in Sunday School, where most non-Catholic Christians get their first glimpse of religion.

I'm not really sure whether it's my belief or not, but I do realize that I'm being given a measure of high praise by the person stating it.
 
Let love's logic prevail - Is the Maker loving or hateful? Why would the Maker create something simply to torment it? Would this not be the characteristics of a devil rather than a God?

I see a world with order and some chaos, rather than a world full of chaos with a little order.

God being God could care less what we think, if you were God would you think otherwise? Proclaiming themselves wise they became fools.

Why is it so hard for some people to understand that there is a being much greater than themselves controlling things they are not capable of understanding? Don't be such a dullard and look beyond your limited understanding.
 
Aneeda72 said:
You can google the Pope’s comment and the response of the Church. Was interesting.
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I think the current pope, and the Catholic church in general, have said some profound things very early, or before others realised the long lasting significance of their words (pronouncements about the effects upon children of the relaxation of divorce laws, forty years ago, being an example that sticks in my mind, and the current pope urging leaders around the world to care about what happens in other countries being another example).
 
DaveA said:
But Aneeda, why be disturbed by these statements? The are well meant and kindly comments by people who admire what you are doing or have done. If their manner of saying this includes a touch of (their) religion, it's most likely because to them - -this is the highest of compliments. As children they were most likely taught this or something similar, in Sunday School, where most non-Catholic Christians get their first glimpse of religion.

I'm not really sure whether it's my belief or not, but I do realize that I'm being given a measure of high praise by the person stating it.
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I understand that and am not disturbed. I always say thanks. But I am curious. I think it’s based on their knowledge that they couldn‘t care for a disabled child, let alone adopt one. I was raised in the southern Baptist church, a very strict religion, very bible forward.

My paternal grandmother took me to revival meetings in the 50’s and 60’s. I had a very interesting christian upbringing. The tent revivals were great! I chose the catholic religion when I was in my late 30’s. I had never been baptized until then.
 
grahamg said:
I think the current pope, and the Catholic church in general, have said some profound things very early, or before others realised the long lasting significance of their words (pronouncements about the effects upon children of the relaxation of divorce laws, forty years ago, being an example that sticks in my mind, and the current pope urging leaders around the world to care about what happens in other countries being another example).
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Is the pope more than a man? Why should we place our hope in him?
 
grahamg said:
I think the current pope, and the Catholic church in general, have said some profound things very early, or before others realised the long lasting significance of their words (pronouncements about the effects upon children of the relaxation of divorce laws, forty years ago, being an example that sticks in my mind, and the current pope urging leaders around the world to care about what happens in other countries being another example).
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It’s odd, what most sticks in my mind is the first time the Pope kissed American soil. Or when our priest washed the feet of the people who attended his church. Or when my 5 year old DS son escaped my grasp, and walked up to the podium, head bowed looking at the flowers.

Mass stopped. He then walked up to the priest who picked him up, held him to the microphone, and asked him if he wanted to speak. A Kodak moment, to say the least.
 
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I worked for a business owned by Scientologists right before (and after) the IRS awarded them their non-profit status, circa 1990.

They were actually very nice people. Never pushed it on anyone. The things I read about the organization aren't very complimentary.

Regarding this topic:
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Aneeda72 said:
@Knight

Here‘s what I found
Ephesians 2:8-9
”For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-not by works, so that no one can boast.”

Acts 2:38
”Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.”

This would apply only to Christians, of course.
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Aneeda72 said:
@Knight

Here‘s what I found

Ephesians 2:8-9

”For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-not by works, so that no one can boast.”

Acts 2:38

”Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.”
This would apply only to Christians, of course.
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Googled quantity of Christians & population on earth.

Christianity – 2.70 billion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations_by_number_of_members

7.53 billion (2017)
https://www.google.com/search?q=pop...j46j0l4j46.22963j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Looks like a little less than 5 billion
as of 2017 unless they convert accept JC & repent nothing happens when they die.

That should make record keeping about who followed the way to get go wherever it is they are going when they die much easier.
 
Empty said:
I private-conversationed knight with the reason behind this simplistic thread. (His link is very interesting, to people open to other considerations, at least.) I did the message to him because I promised myself that I was getting out of the fray from an earlier thread I posted that disintegrated into some sniping and off-topic remarks, but here I am.

Here is the basics of what I said to him in 'private conversation' regarding good = god plus "o" / evil = devil minus "d" : 'I posted this simplistic thread because of what happened in a prior thread that I posted. It was meant to mean that people can choose to be good because they believe in a god or fear a devil or just because they know right from wrong and choose to be good. Conversely, people can choose to be evil. It doesn't matter to me (and shouldn't matter to others in my opinion) what the driving motivation is behind someone's behavior - I want goodness to prevail.'

ABOUT ME: So, here I go. I was raised by a hypocrite Catholic mother and a 'saintly' agnostic father (as posted elsewhere.) That's what prompted my simplistic approach. My aunt once said to me something like this - 'It's a shame your dad will never be with you again because he will be going to hell because he doesn't believe.' And my reaction was - uh - if that is the teaching of your church and the mandate of your god, then I have no respect for either. My father taught me to be a good person by example. He was an amazingly good person in all respects. And I was being told that it didn't matter - Mom had the key to heaven, not him. Really? So, my philosophy became simple - I chose to emulate my father and strive to be good.
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This proves that organised religion is all about controlling the masses, nothing to do with 'God' at all.
We all have a conscience and we know instinctively the difference between right and wrong. We don't need a 'saviour' to tell us, or a priest to dictate to us.
As I said elsewhere, many people need the comfort of the church and its ministers. They need to feel that someone is in control, even though it's obvious that 'God' has no control over anything that happens.
The Catholic church has a lot to answer for. Consider the atrocities that have been committed in its name against those who would not accept its teaching.
 
Rosemarie said:
This proves that organised religion is all about controlling the masses, nothing to do with 'God' at all.
We all have a conscience and we know instinctively the difference between right and wrong. We don't need a 'saviour' to tell us, or a priest to dictate to us.
As I said elsewhere, many people need the comfort of the church and its ministers. They need to feel that someone is in control, even though it's obvious that 'God' has no control over anything that happens.
The Catholic church has a lot to answer for. Consider the atrocities that have been committed in its name against those who would not accept its teaching.
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Whilst you're considering all that, (and I'm not denying anything you say), think too of the good they've done. I'm told in the UK the people to adopt or foster the most severely disabled children came from faith organisations, especially Catholics!
 
Rosemarie said:
This proves that organised religion is all about controlling the masses, nothing to do with 'God' at all.
We all have a conscience and we know instinctively the difference between right and wrong. We don't need a 'saviour' to tell us, or a priest to dictate to us.
As I said elsewhere, many people need the comfort of the church and its ministers. They need to feel that someone is in control, even though it's obvious that 'God' has no control over anything that happens.
The Catholic church has a lot to answer for. Consider the atrocities that have been committed in its name against those who would not accept its teaching.
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As a Catholic I totally agree, as do most people I would suspect. After all, the Church is made up of people, some very evil, some very good, and the rest-middle of the road. Just like all humanity.
 

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