rgp
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WoW ! That's rich, you of all people noting an irrelevant comparison/post.
I guess it is OK when you do it ?
Remington offers settlement in Sandyhook massacre
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WoW ! That's rich, you of all people noting an irrelevant comparison/post.
I guess it is OK when you do it ?
Aunt Bea
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IMO it’s wrong to blame Remington for producing and selling a legal product.
The American people need to hold their elected officials feet to the fire to write laws that prevent the manufacture and sale of these items or we need to accept them and move on.
The American people need to hold their elected officials feet to the fire to write laws that prevent the manufacture and sale of these items or we need to accept them and move on.
Irwin
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That's exactly right. Nearly all the AR-15 components were designed to be used by the military. Gun manufacturers took the M-16 military rifle and modified it so it couldn't be operated in fully automatic mode, and then marketed it to the public as the AR-15. It's designed to be an effective killing machine, which it is as evidenced by all the mass killings that we've seen over the years.
As far as the 2nd Amendment, that was never intended to be an individual right; it's a collective right for states, since we didn't have a standing military at the time.
Nathan
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All guns can be used for self defense, and for....murder, correct? Assault rifles are specifically designed for military combat, and NOT for self / home defense. If anyone has a different view- God bless you, but I'm not going to even consider arguing the point with you.
I'm glad that Remington is offering a settlement, they can afford it.
If anyone at all has a solution for the wholesale murder / gun violence epidemic- please contact your elected representatives.
I'm glad that Remington is offering a settlement, they can afford it.
If anyone at all has a solution for the wholesale murder / gun violence epidemic- please contact your elected representatives.
Butterfly
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It is my understanding that this particular lawsuit is being brought under the premise that Remington wrongfully advertised and promoted the weapons, which is one of the loopholes in the 2005 federal law that shields gun manufacturers from liability for what people do with their weapons.
squatting dog
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It's interesting that it was in 1963 when the Semi Auto version the AR15 was built and released in the Colt catalog as Sporter, AR-15. All those years back then and nobody cried about that "scary black gun".
When you try to find mass shootings back then, it's nearly impossible. (so far I can't find any reference to one) So... could it be that more modern generations have lost their moral compass and we are now reaping the whirlwind? Blame the person, not the weapon.
When you try to find mass shootings back then, it's nearly impossible. (so far I can't find any reference to one) So... could it be that more modern generations have lost their moral compass and we are now reaping the whirlwind? Blame the person, not the weapon.
Who gets your brain when you die?
rgp
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Agree strongly here !
University of Texas tower shooting
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaOn August 1, 1966, after stabbing his mother and his wife to death the night before, Charles Whitman, a former Marine, took rifles and other weapons to the observation deck atop the Main Building tower at the University of Texas at Austin, then opened fire indiscriminately on people on the surrounding campus and streets. Over the next 96 minutes he shot and killed 15 people, including an unborn child and one final victim who died from his injuries in 2001. Whitman also injured 31 others. The incident ended when a policeman and a civilian reached Whitman and shot him dead. At the time, the attack was the deadliest mass shooting by a lone gunman in U.S. history, being surpassed 18 years later by the San Ysidro McDonald's massacre.
Everyone is blaming the gun (weapon). Do the guns in stores kill people? I've been to gun shows; there are thousands of guns of all makes. I've NEVER seen one of them jump up off the table & kills someone. I know a lot of people that carry handguns. They do not kill anyone.
Got to look at the person's mental state holding the gun & what he's doing with it. I can hold my gun & nothing happens. I carry it concealed into stores; nothing happens.
The kid at Sandy Hook was bulled, so he got a gun & was going to wipe out the kids that were bullying him. Unfortunately, some others got in the way as collateral damage. His mental state was not the type that should hold or have a weapon.
Here in Indiana to buy a gun you have to go to a gun dealer that has a license to sell guns. Then you have to fill out a 4-page form. He faxes that to the FBI to see if your a criminal or your mental state. If it comes back your a criminal he will not sell you a gun. Only law-abiding and sane people can get a gun here.
Now the perps that want to do harm. They go to the streets & buy their guns there & those have the Serial Number ground off. Or they break into people's houses when they are not home & take their guns. If the person is home they usually don't walk back out.
Got to look at the person's mental state holding the gun & what he's doing with it. I can hold my gun & nothing happens. I carry it concealed into stores; nothing happens.
The kid at Sandy Hook was bulled, so he got a gun & was going to wipe out the kids that were bullying him. Unfortunately, some others got in the way as collateral damage. His mental state was not the type that should hold or have a weapon.
Here in Indiana to buy a gun you have to go to a gun dealer that has a license to sell guns. Then you have to fill out a 4-page form. He faxes that to the FBI to see if your a criminal or your mental state. If it comes back your a criminal he will not sell you a gun. Only law-abiding and sane people can get a gun here.
Now the perps that want to do harm. They go to the streets & buy their guns there & those have the Serial Number ground off. Or they break into people's houses when they are not home & take their guns. If the person is home they usually don't walk back out.
Irwin
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It turned out that he had a brain tumor, which was the reason he went nuts and killed all those people.
Do you have any idea how eager you sound to use those guns? While you're stroking those guns and fantasizing about killing people, do you ever for one second worry that you might kill someone who was just a drunk teenager making a bad decision? Please spare us the pictures of your guns they make me sick.
That's almost funny. That loser gun-merchant at the show in Indiana isn't capable of determining which customers are sane and "law-abiding" by looking them, and neither is the FBI. Look at most of the recent mass killings, the shooters were mentally ill people too young to have been diagnosed, and people without criminal pasts who snapped.
squatting dog
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You see... you just said it.... It's the people, not the weapon.
Everyday, millions upon millions of guns sit safe and snug without any thought of going berserk. It's people who are the problem, but, it's a whole lot easier to blame weapons.
Guns + People. You can't eliminate or eradicate People, so what's left?
The shooter was not a student there, this was an elementary school, he was 20.
Such reasoning starts at paragraph 24 to 53. Notice all Counts are State Code related, no federal claims.
https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/soto-bushmaster-complaint.pdf
The photos are the Virginia Tech mass shooter's guns; not mine.
If they make you sick, why are you looking at them obsessively?
Do you have any idea how stupid you sound?
mellowyellow
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Good work finding the loophole.
.......................Remington originally cited a 2005 federal law that protected the manufacturers of privately owned weapons from wrongful death lawsuits. But the families were able to skirt that by successfully arguing that the company’s guns were “designed as a military weapon”, therefore nullifying the defense............
The US supreme court refused to hear Remington’s appeal in 2019, which allowed the lawsuit to proceed.
Butterfly
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You're right. Nary a one of the firearms I own has ever jumped up and shot somebody all by itself.
That's almost funny. That loser gun-merchant at the show in Indiana isn't capable of determining which customers are sane and "law-abiding" by looking them, and neither is the FBI. Look at most of the recent mass killings, the shooters were mentally ill people too young to have been diagnosed, and people without criminal pasts who snapped.
All those dealers have to do the same background check as a store owner. The person has to fill out the same forms as if you're buying it in a store. Then that person behind the show table has a phone/fax that he sends the info to the FBI just like a store merchant. I've seen a lot of guys/gals walk out without buying the weapon.
A fellow killed his whole family with a HAMMER. Now should we stop making hammers? An sue the manufacture of hammers. People get killed with large sticks, stones, Anything they can get their hands on if mentally unstable. Do we sue the tree that it came from?
Someone with a mental problem also mows down a lot of people with a car or truck. So do we stop making them? Or suing the Co. because that car/truck killed a lot of people.
We're all beating the wrong bush. Guns don't kill people. The person behind or holding the gun does.
All those dealers have to do the same background check as a store owner. The person has to fill out the same forms as if you're buying it in a store. Then that person behind the show table has a phone/fax that he sends the info to the FBI just like a store merchant. I've seen a lot of guys/gals walk out without buying the weapon.
A fellow killed his whole family with a HAMMER. Now should we stop making hammers? An sue the manufacture of hammers. People get killed with large sticks, stones, Anything they can get their hands on if mentally unstable. Do we sue the tree that it came from?
Someone with a mental problem also mows down a lot of people with a car or truck. So do we stop making them? Or suing the Co. because that car/truck killed a lot of people.
We're all beating the wrong bush. Guns don't kill people. The person behind or holding the gun does.
All those things have a practical use. There is no other use for guns but to kill people.
No one has ever suggested that guns be banned because they jump up and kill people. The whole "guns don't kill people, people kill people" thing is just a NRA distraction that sounds clever. Guns need to be controlled or banned because people use guns to kill people and the guns make it so much easier to do than rocks or knives.
There are people who must be stopped from doing evil to others. That's why police officers carry guns. Are you against police officers carrying guns?
You won't get a logical reply to that question. Because there isn't one.