Rookie Cop Accidently Shoots and Kills Innocent Unarmed Man in NY Neighborhood

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Rookie cop shot this guy who was just using the staircase to leave his girlfriend's apartment in an East NY neighborhood. http://nypost.com/2014/11/22/rookie-nypd-cop-very-choked-up-after-seeing-partner-kill-man/

“I was behind my partner. My partner entered through the door,” Landau said as he described the shooting, which occurred at 11:15 p.m. Thursday on the eighth floor of the Louis Pink Houses in East New York.

With the cops in the stairwell, Gurley and his girlfriend, Melissa Butler, had entered the on the seventh floor.
Startled by the couple’s presence, Liang, 27, fired one bullet, which hit Gurley in the chest.

“I didn’t see anything,” Landau had recalled. “I just heard the shot.”
After Liang’s gun went off, he and Landau retreated back to the eighth-floor hallway. Gurley stumbled down the stairwell and collapsed on the fifth floor.

Landau “had a hard time walking us through the scene,” the law-enforcement source said. “He was very choked up and nervous, which was understandable.”

Investigators had not spoken with Liang. But he initially told superiors the shooting was accidental."
 

I think it's a combination of gung ho cops, and just police who are fearing for their own safety. Regardless, it's a shame things have gotten that far in the US. Many in the police force are level headed and doing a good job protecting and serving the public, but not all unfortunately.
 
Just heard that some bright tape that indicated that it was a pellet gun had been removed. I had a pellet gun at that age that looked very real, but I only used it to shoot my mother's clothespins...
 
We're having our own wave of police shootings in SE Queensland.

Gold Coast shooting
Published: 10:31 pm, Monday, 24 November 2014

A man has been shot dead by police in southeast Queensland in the third police shooting in the region in a week.Officers were called to Nakina St, Southport after 7pm on Monday.It's alleged the officers were confronted by an armed man and police discharged firearms, a police spokeswoman said.The man, believed to be aged in his 30s, was declared dead at the scene.The Queensland Police ethical standards command will investigate the shooting.

Monday's shooting comes after a man was shot dead on the Sunshine Coast on Sunday. A first-year constable and a 10-year veteran senior constable were called to the Tewantin home after residents reported a domestic disturbance.The Queensland Police Union said officers were immediately confronted by a violent man, who allegedly came at them with an unspecified weapon as they arrived in their patrol car.The officer shot the 51-year-old man in the chest.

Last Tuesday a 33-year-old man was shot by police at Kippa-Ring, north of Brisbane.

http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-stories/2014/11/24/gold-coast-shooting.html#sthash.STDjPgWW.dpuf

Video footage of the Tewantin shooting is available from the chest camera worn by the police.

http://www.smh.com.au/queensland/su...ured-on-camera-by-police-20141124-11sphh.html
 
Maybe it is getting hotter sooner than ever in OZ and climate change can be blamed for this young male behavior...
 
Although all these examples of Police shootings are very sad..The Police have to make split second decisions...

If they don't shoot and the person in question kills or maims someone..they are wrong..

If they shoot and the person happens to be brandishing a toy gun..They are also wrong..

I wonder why they have to shoot to kill?
 
I wonder why they have to shoot to kill?
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Shooting the gun out of ones hand is for the old cowboy movies. It doesn't work in real life. Handguns are not all that accurate to start with and in a situation where you have to make a quick decision the problem is worsened. All self defense courses teach to shoot at the torso because it is a larger target.
 
As far as being 12 years old and not knowing what they are doing.......come on! Not unless this boy has some type of mental problem, he knew what he was doing.

First, why is a kid in a park/playground area waving around what appears to be a real gun and pointing it at people? It was in his waistband where is the same location that people put a real gun.

Why did someone take the orange plug out of the end of the one toy gun, which, again, would make it appear to be a real gun?

From what I read, there was one kid that was told by officers to lay down the gun (toy, but they didn't know it), but the kid raised it and pointed it at officers. What the heck does anyone think is going to happen at that moment????

Now, the BIGGER question is..........why did the parents allow these kids to have these guns? Also, where were the parents at the time of the incident?
 
He was a baby..he was probably showing off..why didn't the police tazer him?

Why did they shoot to kill?..

This will be more fuel to the racial problems we have already!!
 
The one kid was 12 years old! To you, he could be a "baby", but to law enforcement he sure isn't. "Probably showing off" is not even close to being a good enough answer. If a person has what appears to be a weapon, using a tazer is not protocol. A person who doesn't have a gun, real or not, can be tazered.

One thing has to be 100% remembered here, we are not the officer's that got the call/showed up at the situation. Some folks want to make all kinds of comments of "why" this or that happened, but the bottom line is.........none of us were there when it happened. Real gun or toy gun, officer's have to protect themselves from being shot/killed also. A lot of them have families at home, as well as the person shot does. But, for some reason, some folks don't think about the officer's protecting themselves and having families as well.

Appears we are straying from the OP's Thread and talking about other incidents that happened.

Twixie said:
He was a baby..he was probably showing off..why didn't the police tazer him?

Why did they shoot to kill?..

This will be more fuel to the racial problems we have already!!
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Twixie said:
Although all these examples of Police shootings are very sad..The Police have to make split second decisions...

If they don't shoot and the person in question kills or maims someone..they are wrong..

If they shoot and the person happens to be brandishing a toy gun..They are also wrong..

I wonder why they have to shoot to kill?
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This was tragic as was the 12 year old with a pellet gun but that is how many police are trained to REACT, not think.

Many are trained to react, not think. The immediate use of the gun is a reaction, not a thought to use that particular tool because that what a weapon would be. The first reaction unless someone is in IMMEDIATE danger should be to protect oneself by taking cover and assessing the situation. The police should also make sure the public is out of the way and out of the line of fire which another NYC rookie officer failed to do when the ax man terrorist was shot along with civilians. The problem with a lot of police forces is lack of regular year round training. And many who go through it simply want to get it over with. Most wind up being there for a job, not a career or the ever popular make a difference, change the world etc.There is a mentality too, us or them, us vs them where the public is viewed as the enemy which affects REACTIONs as well. Train to think and react. Escalate the use of force and not jump right to a nuclear option ie a lethal weapon.
 
Go to a Range where law enforcement practices shooting their Service Revolver. Their target is on the chest, not the arm, leg or hand. If many people, who criticize the way officers react at a dangerous scene, could take their place at that moment, they just might think different of how really dangerous the job can be for them.

Heck, I was shocked yesterday when wife and I went to a local music store. The store was selling a lamp that had two fake, but looked very real, 9mm handguns holding up the lamp shade! There was an orange plug in the barrel of each gun. Each fake gun was sitting so the barrel faced upwards. Apparently, the store was selling more than one of these b/c an officer bought a lamp.......told to me by the store clerk. Gee, another fake, but very real looking, handgun that someone could take off of the lamp and use for ????
 
SeaBreeze said:
Another unfortunate incident regarding a child...http://nypost.com/2014/11/22/cleveland-cop-shoots-child-holding-toy-gun/
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Seems like this cop had issues with his past police employment, emotionally unstable, did not follow instructions, safety issues. Maybe if his past employment and behavior history was reviewed, he would have not been out on duty that day. Document showing a request for his termination in the past, but it appears he resigned instead. http://www.buzzfeed.com/alisonvingiano/loehmann-independence-records

The police officer who shot and killed 12-year-old Tamir Rice is described as emotionally unstable and unable to properly use a firearm, according to documents from the city of Independence, Ohio, obtained by BuzzFeed News.

The Cleveland Police Department confirmed to BuzzFeed News that during Officer Loehmann’s background check “Cleveland Police detectives did not review his Independence Police Department personnel file.”

Timothy Loehmann, 26, worked as a patrolman in Independence for less than one year prior to joining the Cleveland Police Department in 2014. He was ultimately asked to resign from his job or be fired, according to the documents. This contradicts the information he provided in his job application to the Cleveland Police Department two years later.
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Interesting about all this excitement about kids and young folks having guns these days. When I was pretty young many of us young folks had cap pistols and ran around with them with no problems from the police of others. I also had a BB gun rifle that was used to shoot targets with BB's or matches to be able to see sparks when the match hit something hard. I guess life was much harder in those days. But the police were not so pumped up about others wanting to kill others or them. I think in many ways life was actually much better organized back then than it is now. We would never think of doing such crazy and idiotic things as blocking streets and highways. We knew then that to try to do so was a sure trip to jail for all. What is it now? Just a short tale about not doing those things before being released to go do it again. We just do not seem to have any respect for the freedoms of others and no real harm for hurting the innocents in these brawls.
 
In the case of this 12 year old with the pellet gun... Why did the police pull the squad right up to the kid and shoot him within seconds? Shouldn't they have pulled up farther away and at least assessed the situation? Perhaps then they could have determined it was a child not a man.. and that they maybe could have called to him to drop the gun and move away from it? I mean.. they just pulled right up to him and shot him... then didn't touch him for 4 minutes while he was dying..
 

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