Russia On Ground In Syria. Air Power As Well.

All the "top dogs" do this. Ah, the posturings of power. Rampant testosterone in action. We are such dangerous children with reeeallly big Toys Of Destruction. Welcome to the nuclear sandbox. Can anyone play?
 
It should be noted that both Iran and Russia denied that this happened.

It should also be noted that Obama has decided to end training Syrian 'rebels' so $500,000,000.00 wasted for the sake of training a now 'non-existent group' many of whom have joined ISIS or are actually al Qaeda to begin with. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-...yria-retreat-it-ends-training-moderate-rebels

Also, an EU official is on record saying 'The EU is apparently very impressed with Vladimir Putin's actions in Syria: EU President Jean-Claude Juncker says suddenly that EU should not be dictated by the United States their relationship with Russia. He called for a normalization of relations - and thus indirectly an end to the sanctions.....EU Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker has called for a relaxation in the conflict with Russia. "We must strive for a viable relationship with Russia. That's not sexy, but it needs to be. We can not go on like this, "he said on Thursday in Passau. One must not arrive in perfect agreement, but again establish a reasonable basis for discussion....' Translated by Google Translator

http://deutsche-wirtschafts-nachric...erts-eu-will-normale-beziehungen-zu-russland/

So maybe these people will begin to realize that infighting among the various countries is counter productive and especially when there is now a common enemy which will require real cooperation. I think the whole focus too on Assad as the 'bogey-man' is bizarre considering that the Saudi's get no criticism (in fact get a seat as the chairman of the UNHCR!!!) and their human rights record is openly among the worst of the worst.

UNHCR is United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees whose role is described thus, in Wikipedia: 'For more than 60 years, UNHCR has protected and promoted the rights of tens of millions of refugees and displaced people'. (And the Saudi's chair that despite their continued bombing of Yemen thereby causing horrendous suffering and displacement of thousands!)
 
QuickSilver said:
Truth isn't exactly one of Russia's OR Iran's strong suits...
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Hmmm, water boarding and secret torture, spying on own citizens, invasion of Iraq for WMD that turned out to not exist, support of Saddam Hussein when it was suitable by supplying chemical weapons, etc.,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite...Iran–Iraq_war#Chemical_and_biological_exports


I think Shalimar is exactly right that no country is innocent of doing terrible things so there are lots of 'pots' and lots of 'kettles'.
 
Debby said:
Hmmm, water boarding and secret torture, spying on own citizens, invasion of Iraq for WMD that turned out to not exist, support of Saddam Hussein when it was suitable by supplying chemical weapons, etc.,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite...Iran–Iraq_war#Chemical_and_biological_exports


I think Shalimar is exactly right that no country is innocent of doing terrible things so there are lots of 'pots' and lots of 'kettles'.
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It's just that sometimes WE debby get sick of being the only "Kettle".... when in truth... there is another really BIG "pot"... Okay?

Personally... I'm sort of glad Mother Russia is in there showing you her true stripes..
 
This just got significantly more dangerous. Britain has apparently given their pilots the green light to blow Russian jets out of the sky 'if they feel that they are threatened'. Considering that Russia hasn't targeted British or American jets in the past two weeks (or ever since this all started).......what is their problem really? PO'd because Russia has done more in two weeks than the coalition has done in a year?

'The chances of escalation from a proxy war to outright war just went to 11 on the Spinal Tap amplifier of sabre-rattling. A day after British and NATO pilots were reportedly given the green light to take drastic action against Russian fighter jets if they come under threat during missions over Iraq, Interfax reports that the Russian Defense Ministry has demanded clarification..............Around 40 percent of the IS infrastructure in Syria has been destroyed in just one week, Syria's Ambassador to Russia Riad Haddad said on Wednesday............Moscow offered on Tuesday to resume talks with Washington to avoid any misunderstanding concerning its airstrike operation, as well as to discuss ways to avoid conflicts between the United States and Russian warplanes over Syria.............Washington also said on Saturday that it would resume talks with Moscow to avoid accidents in the skies over the war-torn country. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-...n-explain-green-light-shoot-down-russian-jets


$500,000,000.00 to train a handful of 'rebels' in Syria. The rest have gone over to ISIS.

America doesn't like dictators and monsters like Assad? Then why do they bow and curtsey to Saudi Arabia instead of sanctions and bombs? Excuses, excuses for the sake of a 1991 decision by the Pentagon.

And what true stripes QS? Putin is still calling for cooperation and abiding by international law as he has been doing for the past two years, and was invited into Syria (as per international law requirements) unlike Canada, the US and whomever else feels free to go lobbing bombs in Syria.

Of course, there's always the chance that I'm absolutely wrong about Russian intentions, but so far, in the face of accusations, lies, insults and sanctions, Putin is still maintaining the same talking points that he started out with and hadn't actually bombed anyone until he was invited into Syria to fight ISIS terrorists. Which of the other players can make the same statements?
 
Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi has said he would welcome Russian air strikes on Islamic State militants in Iraq and powerful Iranian-backed Shi'ite militias hope for a partnership with Russia to counter U.S. influence..........Abadi was frustrated by the U.S.-led coalition's performance against Islamic State, which has threatened to march on Baghdad and wants to redraw the map of the Middle East..........Abadi was incensed by tough accusations by U.S. officials that Iraqi government troops lacked the will to fight the militants, government sources said.Delayed delivery of U.S. arms was one of the factors that pushed Abadi to strike a security deal with Russia, the sources said........"We are still losing lives and losing billions of dollars in oil revenues by purchasing arms from United States, but what we really got from them was only promises and dozens of delayed arms deals," said Zamili.
"After a whole year, Daesh is still growing and thousands of fighters are still flowing to both Iraq and Syria and it is controlling more areas. That’s clear evidence the United States has no clear plan or a real strategy."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/07/us-mideast-crisis-iraq-russia-idUSKCN0S112120151007


So on top of the EU President being 'impressed by Russia's performance in Syria', Iraq is now turning to Russia and France's foreign minister has also stated his approval of Russian efforts in the region:

French Government Aligns with Russia in the War Against Isis
'...Last Monday, French foreign minister Laurent Fabius took a surprising stance in favor of Russian air strikes in Syria. During an interview with French radio station Europe1 Fabius stated that these aerial attacks must be flown not just against ISIS but against all other groups which can be classified as terroristic......'

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/10/11/french-government-aligns-russias-war-isis/


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Back in my comment #41, I mentioned that I was reading a website that was reporting that the UK had given orders to be prepared to shoot down Russian jets if the Brit pilots felt threatened. Well, that apparently originated in a Rupert Murdoch paper, The Sunday Times and that the government is now denying that they said that. So the next question is, 'who's driving this foreign affairs bus?' The government of Britain or Rupert Murdoch? One more reason to take everything that appears in the mainstream media with a huge grain of salt. So I guess the Doomsday clock has been turned back and reset so we're safe for a while right?


'.....Then the British government was forced to deny a Murdoch-controlled Sunday Times “report” that British Tornadoes in Syria are now armed with air-to-air missiles to counter potential Russian aerial “attacks.”. ....' http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-...stem-looms-strategic-russian-default-possible
 
If a Russian Jet threatens a British or US jet.. do you think they should NOT be blown out of the sky? Do you believe a Russian Jet would not do the same if it were threatened? Yes.. This is a very dangerous game Russia has started in Syria..
 
Yes, it is a dangerous international chess game that we are seeing called the Putin gambit...
 

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