School shooting in Madison, WI

[January]

Just because one is pro gun ownership does not mean they think an act of murder or suicide is no less horrific than someone who is not pro fun ownership.

If one is not prepared to support changes in gun ownership laws and revision of gun culture, then one is accepting the continuation of the gun death rate.

If you change nothing,nothing changes.

You might think such events are horrific - but you are not prepared to change anything to make them happen less.

 

[JBR]

Just because one is pro gun ownership does not mean they think an act of murder or suicide is no less horrific than someone who is not pro fun ownership.

Yes I believe what you're saying there. I have no sense that you own one or more guns for nefarious purposes.

I sort of think you have at least one of your guns for self-protection. Am I right?

If so, what sort of person or situation do you regard as the most likely threat to you? I'm not being smart*ss, I just live in a different place with much less threat I'm supposing.

 

[Warrigal]

One cannot even own a gun for protection in Australia. One must express a sound reason, and self protection isn't one of them..from what I have gleaned off their gun ownership info website.

A sound reason might just be that you are a member of a gun club. That reason would not allow you to own a high powered automatic because such weapons are prohibited.

However, the gun would have to be secured at the gun club. You can't take it out to take pot shots at a stranger who happens to ring your door bell.

 

[Warrigal]

Hope it works for ya'll for as long as possible. What is your mental health benefits and programs look like?

That kind of information is readily available if really interested.

I searched for "mental health benefits and programs Australia" and had plenty to choose from.

Key facts​

• In Australia, there are many different mental health services available.
• These services are available for people with mental health concerns, as well as their loved ones.
• They include emergency support, hospital care and community services.
• These services can be offered face-to-face, online or by telephone.

Details are available here:- https://www.healthdirect.gov.au/aus... offered face-to-face, online or by telephone.

 

[OneEyedDiva]

I meant to reply to this thread when it was first posted. This has all gotten to be just too much! It's happening too often and if I still had a school aged child, I'd home school him/her. I do, however have a granddaughter who is away at college and my youngest grandson works in a school. Before he graduated from high school, there was a threat at his and another school in town. Thank God nothing came of them. It is still concerning though because these shootings could happen anywhere, at any time. There were 221 school shootings in 2024.

 

[HermitHogan]

California has the strictest gun laws in the US.
California has had twice the number of mass shootings than any other state since 1982.

That's to be expected since California is the most populous state in the U.S. If you look at mass shootings per capita, their rates are relatively low. They don't even make the top 10.

Based on a 2023 analysis by Time magazine, which utilized data from the Gun Violence Archive, the ten states with the highest rates of mass shootings per capita are:

1. Louisiana
2. Mississippi
3. Alabama
4. South Carolina
5. Missouri
6. Tennessee
7. Arkansas
8. Illinois
9. Georgia
10. Florida

 

[January]

A sound reason might just be that you are a member of a gun club. That reason would not allow you to own a high powered automatic because such weapons are prohibited.

However, the gun would have to be secured at the gun club. You can't take it out to take pot shots at a stranger who happens to ring your door bell.

Yes many people in shooting clubs do store their guns at the club - since they don't use them elsewhere. Likewise police, armed guards etc would leave them at work. Lawfully stored there, of course.

Just to add to this though - some people do store guns at home, not so much sports club shooters but farmers and hunters.
There are strict laws about home storage - bolted gun safes and separate ammunition storage - one doesn't just have a loaded gun at the ready " for protection"

 

[Pepper]

That's to be expected since California is the most populous state in the U.S. If you look at mass shootings per capita, their rates are relatively low. They don't even make the top 10.

Based on a 2023 analysis by Time magazine, which utilized data from the Gun Violence Archive, the ten states with the highest rates of mass shootings per capita are:

1. Louisiana
2. Mississippi
3. Alabama
4. South Carolina

No surprises about the first four. They are backwards and regressive on many issues. The rest of list no big surprise either.

 

[Tazx]

Interesting study released about mass shootings. In the last 52 years of recorded shootings...each and every single case-the person doing the shooting was on anti psychotic drugs, depression drugs, anti anxiety meds, or other drugs.
They try to say 'oh its only 23 percent of them on depression, anxiety etc, drugs'. But they neglect to say that the other drugs they are on have massive side effects, such as negative effects that can cause suicidal or homicidal thoughts. Why is this not talked about?

Also, there are more shootings in -anti gun/no gun- cities per weekend than all mass shootings per year.
Again, why the focus on mass shooting gun crimes, but not on all gun crimes?
Why do cities with no guns allowed, gun bans, or extremely strict gun laws have the most shootings?
Example, cook country Illinois which Chicago is in...had 929 shootings. One city-Chicago has more gun crimes in a -no gun city-, than 10 years of all US mass shootings. Why are we not talking about Chicago gun crimes? Or other -no gun city- crimes?

I find with almost everything, people pick and choose their ground to stand on, or what to fight/stand up for, instead of discussing the entire problem. And usually is just a small fraction of a bigger problem.