Seems women are becoming less and less dependent on men

Murrmurr said:
I'm talking about decent folks tho.
Ok, scratch that; you win. 😇
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Nothing to back up their opinion though, (other than the conviction they know better than everyone else!).
In evolutionary terms incest, and the abhorrence of it has a very strong basis I believe, (covered by my favourite guru on the topic, Desmond Morris, (who wrote "Naked Ape", "Man Watching" and many other books).
 

grahamg said:
You can think of missing out on some early years experiences with your children because whatever milestone they've reached was whilst they were in nurseries or other paid for child care, (not to mention where mum feels too stressed to make the most of those years with their children when they are with them).
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When I heard about my daughter taking her first steps while in daycare, I cried. I never felt like she had all of me, just a worried, hassled Mom trying to take care of everything herself.
 
carouselsilver said:
When I heard about my daughter taking her first steps while in daycare, I cried. I never felt like she had all of me, just a worried, hassled Mom trying to take care of everything herself.
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It's heartbreaking that there are millions of mothers who'd prefer to work as a full-time mom, but can't because the family needs 2 incomes just to get by.

Probably not a popular opinion, but I think both parents having to work for the better part of the day is one of the reasons we have so much dysfunction in our society today.
 
I would love to have been a SAHM but like you say it some times takes both working outside to make a enough money to build even an average life. I was very lucky, I was able to ge my son to school in the morning and my Mom picked him up and took care of him until I got home.

I did go part time when he was in 6th grade so I could pick him up. I knew junior high would be a big change. I wanted at least that much time enjoy my little boy. We all know, with teenagers, they don't have the same relationship with parents. They grow and change so much, need some independence to learn how to navigate the new world they have entered.

It was the best year ever. Swimming, roller skating, tennis, we could do anything after he got out of school. We had a few hours everyday just for fun stuff.
 
Times were so different back in the 60's. My father drove 15 minutes to get to work (which would now take 45 minutes). He came home for lunch every day. My mother always had something prepared. Then he took a nap in his recliner chair before he went back to work. I should have been so lucky in my 24/7 career.

I will say that I was very fortunate to have my mother at home, even though she could have been called a "helicopter parent" at the time. She used to go park across from my junior high school so she could watch me and my friends smoking pot under the tree or jumping the fence to go to McDonald's and call me out later. I was no Beaver Cleaver. Well, maybe in hindsight I wasn't so fortunate. :unsure:
 
Blessed said:
I would love to have been a SAHM but like you say it some times takes both working outside to make a enough money to build even an average life. I was very lucky, I was able to ge my son to school in the morning and my Mom picked him up and took care of him until I got home.

I did go part time when he was in 6th grade so I could pick him up. I knew junior high would be a big change. I wanted at least that much time enjoy my little boy. We all know, with teenagers, they don't have the same relationship with parents. They grow and change so much, need some independence to learn how to navigate the new world they have entered.

It was the best year ever. Swimming, roller skating, tennis, we could do anything after he got out of school. We had a few hours everyday just for fun stuff.
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I always took shift work so I could spend as much time as possible at home with my kids. When the oldest was 13 and the youngest 9, I worked nights. Left for work at 9:30pm, a little over an hour after they were in bed.
 
Seems sort of sad to read so many of the posts. Where does the divisiveness come from. Has everyone married an unreliable jerk, man or woman. Is it really important to "not be dependent on someone?

My wife (with the exception of 7 years), spent her lifetime running our house and affairs. Cared for our 4 kids from birth to adulthood. Something that I would have never contemplated doing, while holding down a job. (we had 4 in 5 years) They would have been handed around to family members, daycares, etc. No comparison (IMHO) to a real mom and family atmosphere. The family closeness has been retained as all 4 of our kids live nearby and we see them regularly. As an aside - -all 4 of them are now in their sixties

My wife has been in charge of our household for the past 66 years, starting when we were married in 1956 'til the present as we approach 90. I still love and depend on her to this very day.
 
dseag2 said:
Times were so different back in the 60's. My father drove 15 minutes to get to work (which would now take 45 minutes). He came home for lunch every day. My mother always had something prepared. Then he took a nap in his recliner chair before he went back to work. I should have been so lucky in my 24/7 career.

I will say that I was very fortunate to have my mother at home, even though she could have been called a "helicopter parent" at the time. She used to go park across from my junior high school so she could watch me and my friends smoking pot under the tree or jumping the fence to go to McDonald's and call me out later. I was no Beaver Cleaver. Well, maybe in hindsight I wasn't so fortunate. :unsure:
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See, I knew what was coming, I just wanted to suck up that last year before I was considered "an embarrasment". I did not spy, I might have wanted too but I did not do it. I had tried to give a solid base, he would have to be the one responsible for his decisions, even the bad ones. LOL
 
Specifically the post below, but I have fat fingers, so posted the above quote below. is that all as clear as mud?

Ruthanne said:
Who are you speaking to??
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dseag2 said:
This is slightly off topic, and I'm sure I'll get pushback, but I think that if there were more women in the White House we would see more things accomplished. Like stricter gun laws, for example. Women tend to be more empathic than men. Some of the "good ole' boys" that only wish to line their pockets with money from special interests and do nothing need to go. There are, of course, a few nut job women already in the White House that are exceptions.
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dobielvr said:
I agree. :)
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DaveA said:
Seems sort of sad to read so many of the posts. Where does the divisiveness come from. Has everyone married an unreliable jerk, man or woman. Is it really important to "not be dependent on someone?
My wife (with the exception of 7 years), spent her lifetime running our house and affairs. Cared for our 4 kids from birth to adulthood. Something that I would have never contemplated doing, while holding down a job. (we had 4 in 5 years) They would have been handed around to family members, daycares, etc. No comparison (IMHO) to a real mom and family atmosphere. The family closeness has been retained as all 4 of our kids live nearby and we see them regularly. As an aside - -all 4 of them are now in their sixties

My wife has been in charge of our household for the past 66 years, starting when we were married in 1956 'til the present as we approach 90. I still love and depend on her to this very day.
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Brilliant post!
(can't think of what else to say, but wanted to say that much!) :)
 
carouselsilver said:
When I heard about my daughter taking her first steps while in daycare, I cried. I never felt like she had all of me, just a worried, hassled Mom trying to take care of everything herself.
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There is an organisation in the UK called Mothers Apart from Their CHildren, (or MATCH for short), set up by a really dynamic lady called Penny Cross who lost all contact with her children following divorce, and sought to help other mothers excluded for whatever reason, (the stories there are as heart rending as they come I'd say).
 
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