Seems women are becoming less and less dependent on men

Women often times will have the occassion to tackle a task that may have been formerly been done be the men in their life.

I had a great advantage of watching my Mother, step up and learn from others and by trial and error. I did things my whole marriage that would normally be handled by the husband. We both worked full time but he worked many more hours to improve our life. It felt good to take on some chores so he could get some rest and we could spend our time on family events, having fun.

Those things prepared me for being a widow. I knew how to use all the lawn equipment, do small plumbing tasks, handle the finances, use the grill to cook.

I would rather have my husband here with me, do every chore myself, what a blessing that would be!
 

Lethe200 said:
Oh, that's hysterical...and not true.
I know more women than men who love cars, because I'm one of them. My spouse could care less about what he drives. I spent 18 months researching my last car with multiple test drives because if I was going to spend up to $70K I was going to make darned sure it was as close to my perfect car as possible.

And our contractor, who owns her own business with employees (not sub-contractors), is most definitely a woman. She is certainly not the only woman I know who can handle "fixing" things, either.

I had no idea snow shoveling was the standard for masculinity. As my spouse had a haemorrhagic stroke at age 50, snow shoveling would kill him faster than it would most women OR men.

And to answer another post, most older women I know - in fact all of them - who gave up driving, did so because they preferred being chauffered around by their spouses. They know how to drive, they just like to have someone else put up with the stress of driving and parking!

Of course, that generally rebounds on them since most husbands die before their wives do. That's what happened to my MIL and all of her married friends. Whereas the older women who had either gotten divorced or had their husbands die fairly young, had little hesitation in driving themselves around - using bus transportation to do your grocery shopping was enough to cure them of any qualms about driving!
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Well said, though in general it is true many women don't take much interest in cars, and I had a bit of difficulty making sure my then wife always remembered to check the fuel gauge when she used our car driving to work each day!
 
I had one friend that did not know how to pump her own gas, check her oil, put air in the tires, check the battery connections. She relied on her husband to do it. I just don't understand how you own, drive and not know how to take care of it. I can change a tire if push comes to shove as long as I can muster up the strength to get those darn lug nuts off!
 

I come from an old-fashioned world where like my mom did. My Dad worked 2 jobs so she could stay home with the kids and my husband did the same thing. For a short while, I worked for an accouningt firm to get them more customers. After about 3 months I got them many companies that hired them. So then I didn't have a job anymore.
 
Vida May said:
That is an element of women's liberation I do not like- being equal meaning to be like a man and being competitive with men, making it taboo to be as a woman.

Working for a living that is a livable wage, means having connections or having to be competitive. From what I have heard from male coaches females tend to be less competitive by nature. They can be trained to be as competitive as males but a coach has to work at this when coaching women. Now thinking about what a gentler society needs, and a world with less gun violence and happy children- do we want all women to be as men? Or is there value in protecting women and children and women experiencing life as protected people valued for their willingness to care for others?
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hahaha...I am hear to tell you, no-one has ever coached me ...I was born competitive... :D
 
Sassycakes said:
I come from an old-fashioned world where like my mom did. My Dad worked 2 jobs so she could stay home with the kids and my husband did the same thing. For a short while, I worked for an accouningt firm to get them more customers. After about 3 months I got them many companies that hired them. So then I didn't have a job anymore.
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Oh man, that sucks. My Dad believed good workers were advanced. I did not find that to be true. The higher-ups took credit for everything and all I got was more work. Until I started my own business and enjoyed getting the credit for what I did.
 
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Shadia 🌸@ShadiaSargi -- 14 Jun
People that think being a stay at home mom is not work are out of there minds. Our job never ends. It’s ongoing 24/7. We clean cook and take care of our children take care of our partners and lastly ourselves. 😒

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I agree entirely as there was a documentary created which tallied the base salaries of all the jobs done by Mothers on a regular basis.

It came roughly to £1 million pounds yearly. Clearly most husbands couldn't afford us lol!

1. Cooking & baking for breakfasts, lunches and dinners. Organising party foods for holidays and day trips plus picnics. Part of the hospitality industry (restaurants section)
2. Cleaning in general, house cleaning and clearing (the latter a Spring event). Hoovering, dusting, polishing, disinfecting (much deeper during certain seasons and pandemics) dishwashing, drying said dishes, laundry (simple if kids are grown up, bit more if using reusable all cotton diapers) floors and carpets (sometimes they require extra washing -- pets into this, yes!)
4. THE WEEKLY SHOPPING -- one of the time consuming activities. First keep a list, VIP, once you've got your list, much easier to know what your meal planning will look like (meal planning, part of number 1, of course)
5. THE BUDGETING (including direct debits, direct deposits, paying bills and planning savings for emergencies, income tax returns & more) Accounting jobs including bookkeeping
6. CHILD CARE (Under a wide umbrella including medical, emergency, paramedic, nursing and more) raised two munchkins, 18 months apart. After the first one, found medical health problems where I had to retire earlier than planned and became stay-at-home Mum and had to combine all above lol.
7. Taking care of the other child in your family aka HUSBAND. Ladies, you might agree with me that when our better halves get sick, they turn into children. Well done if them do lol.
8. YOU'RE OWN PROBLEMS AS A WOMAN. Our wellbeing is of utmost importance as most times if we get I'll, we're still the only one doing all the work. Mental health and our flows and ebbs, menopause the lot SMILE!

So, you see, once we're home, we have an unending list of jobs to do, including accidentals such as phone calls to fix errors here and there, organising difficult moments in life such as funerals which during these times, we've got to hold it together and stay strong for our families.

Feel free to add other situations where as a wife, mother and all, you've had to deal with? Independent on our own or as a couple married, we're worth GOLD!

I remember a proposal in mid-70s where stay-at-home Mums would receive about £5,000 a year. It never came to fruition. Very sad as we're worth every bit of cash sent our ways...
 
With all the gender fluidity that is going on now, the question "does a woman still need a man?" becomes meaningless. Women marry women. Men marry men. Some people decide to change their gender, or at least to convince themselves and others that they have done so. Some have no gender at all, that they will admit to having. Some have more than one gender. It's enough to make your head spin!

So, what does the question about women needing men (in today's world) even mean? I think people need people, period. (And I know I don't sound like Barbra Streisand, but singing aside, it's true.) Most people do, anyway. True hermits, by preference, are rare. But why specify genders? Probably "everybody needs someone" is closer to the truth.
 
Avon said:
What's new, it is obvious from years on forums that once the breeding period is over, women become late-forming lesbians. In fact, it was on the news during the week.
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I'm skeptical.

What I have seen happen, to our generation, is that as gay folks are becoming better understood and more accepted some people who were always gay but married under social pressure of the times have become open about it. That might look like "late-forming" but I suspect its more "late-accepting".

People's need for companionship and all that goes with it varies, some need a regular partner some don't, same for men as women. What has changed is that our affluence has increased and societal norms and legal system now allow women more independence that was generally true historically. So women are more free to choose what they want to do, a good thing.
oldaunt said:
I was pit mechanic. I could completely tear down a 327, clean parts, replace as needed, and put it back together again. In my 40's I bought a barnyard 1978 Camaro Z28 and rebuilt it, drove it for years.
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Now those are skills I could use, do you make house calls?
 
Blessed said:
I had one friend that did not know how to pump her own gas, check her oil, put air in the tires, check the battery connections. She relied on her husband to do it. I just don't understand how you own, drive and not know how to take care of it. I can change a tire if push comes to shove as long as I can muster up the strength to get those darn lug nuts off!
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A 3 foot section of pipe, that slips over the jack handle, is the answer to those lug nuts that were put on with an air gun. Added leverage is the answer. JimB.
 
If you think that women are doing an equal job, wait and see what happens when 25 boxes of copier paper are delivered to an office lobby. Guess who gets to haul those 70 pound boxes to the storage room ? It won't be a woman. JImB.
 
Not all women are cut out to be SAHMs, but that doesn't mean they can't be excellent parents. I know very few women who stayed at home more than a handful of years, and all have great relationships with their successful, independent children (who are now themselves parents).

Are women becoming less dependent on men? Good grief, I sure hope so! In fact, I hope very few adults are dependent on ANYONE!

DH & I were in our late twenties when we married, both of us were fully self-sufficient on all fronts including financial, the ability to keep a house clean, handle food prep and manage laundry.
 
Alligatorob said:
I'm skeptical.

What I have seen happen, to our generation, is that as gay folks are becoming better understood and more accepted some people who were always gay but married under social pressure of the times have become open about it. That might look like "late-forming" but I suspect its more "late-accepting".

People's need for companionship and all that goes with it varies, some need a regular partner some don't, same for men as women. What has changed is that our affluence has increased and societal norms and legal system now allow women more independence that was generally true historically. So women are more free to choose what they want to do, a good thing.

Now those are skills I could use, do you make house calls?
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Not buying that theory. In the early years, men and women have much in common to share and do, some exciting. In later years, women have much more in common interests with other women, which is not a shared interest with a man's interest. Have they turned Gay, no, just a convenient change to keep amused with activities men find boring?
 
jimintoronto said:
If you think that women are doing an equal job, wait and see what happens when 25 boxes of copier paper are delivered to an office lobby. Guess who gets to haul those 70 pound boxes to the storage room ? It won't be a woman. JImB.
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Yeah, and guess who gets the promotions, bonuses, and raises?
 
jimintoronto said:
If you think that women are doing an equal job, wait and see what happens when 25 boxes of copier paper are delivered to an office lobby. Guess who gets to haul those 70 pound boxes to the storage room ? It won't be a woman. JImB.
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I don't know how big boxes of copier paper are in Canada, but in the US they're roughly 20 lbs. (70 lb boxes of copier paper? Why???)

I have no problem wrangling boxes heavier than 20 lbs. I buy dog food, flour and other groceries in 25 lb sacks,

25 boxes? Time to grab a dolly. Work smarter not harder...
 
I don't give a hoot what the future generation or all those fringe folks out there want or think. I just think for myself. I like and enjoy having a lady around. Always did, still do and will continue to do so.

You wanta live alone with the TV on all day for company. Fine with me. Wanta live with 5 or 6 cats; fine with me!
You can just go ahead and "do your thing;" it wouldn't bother me one tiny little bit. Just don't come to my house and try to tell me how to live. You know we still have some sort of democracy.

Too many people are all concerned about all the fringe people getting all that free media coverage. I just like to be myself and do what I think is right for me.
 
Packerjohn said:
I don't give a hoot what the future generation or all those fringe folks out there want or think. I just think for myself. I like and enjoy having a lady around. Always did, still do and will continue to do so.

You wanta live alone with the TV on all day for company. Fine with me. Wanta live with 5 or 6 cats; fine with me!
You can just go ahead and "do your thing;" it wouldn't bother me one tiny little bit. Just don't come to my house and try to tell me how to live. You know we still have some sort of democracy.
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Good for you @Packerjohn , never hard to understand what you mean!
 
jimintoronto said:
If you think that women are doing an equal job, wait and see what happens when 25 boxes of copier paper are delivered to an office lobby. Guess who gets to haul those 70 pound boxes to the storage room ? It won't be a woman. JImB.
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On average men are bigger and stronger than women, not true of all but generally true. For that reason, in part anyway, men will probably always do more of the heavy lifting. Nothing wrong with it. As I age I find younger people are more likely to offer me a hand when lifting, happy to have it.

The gym I go to is about 75% women, and probably half of them can out lift me... and I don't do badly for a 70 year old guy. Most of those women are younger than me of course. The trainer I use is a 55 year old woman, she maxes out most of the machines... She's 5'2", 105 lbs and can deadlift over 300 lbs. And there is one lady in her 80s who can outlift me on some exercises, but she's been at it for 50+ years, me only 3 or so. At first it bothered me a little, but now I just appreciate anyone who goes to the gym and tries.
 
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When I go to the supermarket, I need help, but not from people who are macho and strong. I need tall people! For some reason, there is a fiendish conspiracy to put all of my favorite items on the top shelf. So I have to ask someone tall for help, and I couldn't care less what their gender is.

I'm not even that short. I'm 5'3", shrunk down from 5'4". Anyone my height (no matter what their gender is) would need that kind of help.
 

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