Self-Defense Goes Awry Without a Firearm!

SifuPhil said:
Yep - if you legally carry a gun - or even illegally, I suppose - you have to realize that who you point it at will have a high likelihood of dying.

Bernie got off easy - I got 3 months in County for defending myself, unarmed, against 3 punks with weapons. I'm still bitter about that, 12 years later.
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Wow, Phil..something wrong with that picture. I think about guys who serve like 20 years for murder then get exonerated...but injustice bites...always does. I'm sorry that happened to you.
 

Karen99 said:
Wow, Phil..something wrong with that picture. I think about guys who serve like 20 years for murder then get exonerated...but injustice bites...always does. I'm sorry that happened to you.
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Thank you.

And oh yes - I guess my situation could have been much worse.
 

SifuPhil said:
As has been mentioned in other threads the problem with guns here has been greatly misrepresented by the media. Our gun crime rate is actually falling, but the statistics are manipulated to make it appear that people are running berserk in the streets shooting each other.
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Very true about the media representation, dramatic headlines sell and most corporations follow the money. People who are scared and want the government to babysit them will never listen to the facts, not valid in their worlds. I'm very happy to be born and raised in the USA, and wise enough not to take biased media opinion as hard fact. Unfortunately, you don't get much straight information on "news" reports these days.


oldman said:
I always carry a small canister of pepper spray that fits in my pocket. I have never had to use it, but a few years ago while running, a dog up the street almost got his comeuppance. I buy it at Walmart and toss it every year for a fresh one. It's not necessarily needed to do, but I like to have a fresh one just in case.
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I carry this if I'm walking alone in a park or wooded area, for protection against coyotes or crazy people, never want to be anyone's victim, that's for sure. I'd never want to live in a country that stripped me of all means to protect myself, would have stayed in the womb. http://www.udap.com/mm5/product/6MF


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SifuPhil said:
*raises hand*

Question: is there anything you CAN do in the UK?

I never knew you folks were so restrictive on so many levels. I used to hold the UK in high favor - now, not so much.
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Aaawww come on Phil it is not that bad in the U.K., each country has their laws whether we agree with them not or not, it is just a case of accepting what one country can do and another cannot.

Regarding pepper spray being illegal in the U.K., there is another spray that is perfectly legal to own, carry and use, it is called Farb Gel Criminal Deterrent Spray, if you look at the video in the link, you will see it can be very effective and the spray stays on the attacker for up to 7 days, giving the police time to identify them.


​http://www.selfdefenceweaponsuk.co.uk/legal-pepper-spray-uk
 
Bee, I'm sorry but as a self-defense instructor with a lot of street experience I'm going to say that that spray is less than useless.

The man in the video is acting like his feet are nailed to the ground. If I were the bad guy and someone started spraying me with what is essentially a can of paint, I would cover my eyes and charge them. You could throw a handkerchief at their face, for all the effectiveness this product provides.

I am actually quite stunned that this company makes claims that this product is effective as a self-defense tool.
 
The idea of using any of these self-defense "weapons" is the element of surprise. Women back in the day would take a little can of hair spray out of their purse to deter a man who was getting a bit too "frisky". Depending on the situation, after I used my type of pepper spray, I'd follow it up with some other moves that would further hinder the attacker. In another situation, I might run away, all relies on the specific scenario, hard to say what one would do until it happens. In all my days, I've walked the city streets and traveled at night in subways and never had an incident of physical attack. If I ever do in my old age, I would hope I'd be prepared. Not worried about in-home attacks, my 'equalizer' will stop anyone dead in their tracks.
 
Another problem is that people often carry these pepper sprays in their cute little holster or buried in their purse while they're walking alone.

The time it takes to draw them out is far too long. It also would be useless if the element of surprise is in the bad guy's favor, such as his jumping out from behind a tree or from behind a parked car.

The best weapon is your mind.
 
'element of surprise' are the three key words SeaBreeze, plus if an attacker is sprayed with whatever no one can predict how the attacker will react.

I don't feel the need to carry anything where I live and never have done.
 
SifuPhil said:
Another problem is that people often carry these pepper sprays in their cute little holster or buried in their purse while they're walking alone.
The time it takes to draw them out is far too long. It also would be useless if the element of surprise is in the bad guy's favor, such as his jumping out from behind a tree or from behind a parked car.
The best weapon is your mind.
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I agree Phil. I never carry a purse, or have ever used any holders. As I said I mostly use my pepper spray in wooded areas, and keep in in my pant pocket, easy to grab as my keys. But you're right, the best weapon is your mind. I will never give up my life without a fight, regardless of weapons used, and if needed, I may use psychology and try to outwit the attacker in certain situations, like forced rape, etc.

Bee said:
'element of surprise' are the three key words SeaBreeze, plus if an attacker is sprayed with whatever no one can predict how the attacker will react.
I don't feel the need to carry anything where I live and never have done.
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I agree Bee. I still don't feel the need to carry anything for every day life. If there were situations popping up though in the United States with radical extremist attacks by terrorists from other countries, then I would likely go out and get myself a concealed carry permit and just have a gun on my person. Hopefully that will never happen, but I don't like what I see regarding the attacks, especially on women, in countries who have been kind enough to open their doors to innocent refugees, and radicals took advantage of the easy entrance.
 
If I am honest, I don't worry about radicals coming into the country because we already have some.............bred and born.
 
Bee said:
'element of surprise' are the three key words SeaBreeze, plus if an attacker is sprayed with whatever no one can predict how the attacker will react.

I don't feel the need to carry anything where I live and never have done.
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Me neither. I use common sense as my principal safeguard.
 
Butterfly said:
I don't know what self-defense law ais where the girl lives -- she's not in the US.Wherever it is, pepper spray shouldn't be illegal, IMO. How's a woman supposed to defend herself?? OR is she just expected to submit? Shameful.
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The unspoken law: A woman should stay home, watch the children, clean the house, cook the meals, and if working, take every precaution to avoid attack by thugs.
Women should never go out alone at night, remain within tightly locked premises.
Men (only thugs???) have the unwritten right to do as they please and get away with it??? :why:
 
Susie said:
The unspoken law: A woman should stay home, watch the children, clean the house, cook the meals, and if working, take every precaution to avoid attack by thugs.
Women should never go out alone at night, remain within tightly locked premises.
Men (only thugs???) have the unwritten right to do as they please and get away with it??? :why:
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:holymoly:Susie that stereotype is what kept women down. It's scary, huh? It wasn't all that long ago we couldn't own property or vote.
 
SifuPhil said:
As has been mentioned in other threads the problem with guns here has been greatly misrepresented by the media. Our gun crime rate is actually falling, but the statistics are manipulated to make it appear that people are running berserk in the streets shooting each other.
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I sometimes wonder if the upper management in some of our media, and some of our politicians, don't own a lot of stock in the gun manufacturing companies. Every time a bad shooting occurs, and the media goes overboard with days of coverage of the incident, and the politicians start yakking about Gun Control, gun sales go thru the roof. The price of S&W stock, for example, has doubled in the past year...while the bulk of Wall Street has been marking time, and even falling.
 
Karen99 said:
:holymoly:Susie that stereotype is what kept women down. It's scary, huh? It wasn't all that long ago we couldn't own property or vote.
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Women don't have to be kept down. In the 1980s I was studying at uni as a part time student which involved some distance education and some evening lectures. For some of that time there was a rapist preying on young women after dark.

We women simply banded together in the face of this real threat. No-one walked to her car in the car park alone at night. Several of us would go together to the nearest car and then the others would be driven to their cars. This IMO is much more sensible than walking alone and relying on being able to deploy pepper spray or a hand gun if someone jumps out of the bushed behind you and overpowers you. Women don't need the protection of a man to be safe. We can protect each other.

United we stand, divided we get picked off isn't an empty slogan when it comes to self protection.
 
Warrigal said:
Women don't have to be kept down. In the 1980s I was studying at uni as a part time student which involved some distance education and some evening lectures. For some of that time there was a rapist preying on young women after dark.

We women simply banded together in the face of this real threat. No-one walked to her car in the car park alone at night. Several of us would go together to the nearest car and then the others would be driven to their cars. This IMO is much more sensible than walking alone and relying on being able to deploy pepper spray or a hand gun if someone jumps out of the bushed behind you and overpowers you. Women don't need the protection of a man to be safe. We can protect each other.

United we stand, divided we get picked off isn't an empty slogan when it comes to self protection.
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i took a self defense class in my 20's and only had to put it to good use once. The safety in numbers thing is also good. I stay keenly aware of my surroundings and never lived in fear. I never carried a gun but I do have an awesome switchblade. My husband worked graveyard shift (midnight til 8 in the morning) for 10 years..and I kept that with me.
 
Bluecheese50 said:
Well don't bring it to the UK, you could be arrested for just carrying pepper spray, let alone using it.
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Amazing, Ma'am! How many tens of thousands, or perhaps millions, of tables do you suppose exist in UK upon which food is served? Each will have a "pepper sprayer", of sorts, lying about amongst the condiments. Or, has the government in it's unending zealous provision of emphasized "Public Safety" now outlawed pepper shakers? imp
 
Karen99 said:
i took a self defense class in my 20's and only had to put it to good use once. The safety in numbers thing is also good. I stay keenly aware of my surroundings and never lived in fear. I never carried a gun but I do have an awesome switchblade. My husband worked graveyard shift (midnight til 8 in the morning) for 10 years..and I kept that with me.
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A knife is surely better than nothing. However, possession without "user smarts" is dangerous, as you no doubt well know. imp
 

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