Shocking United States life expectancy decline

I'd like to see a USA yearly death statistic analysis of naturalized citizens and 2nd generation citizens. This would tell us something about the immigration interplay
with respect to total counts.
 

Liberty said:
I'd like to see a USA yearly death statistic analysis of naturalized citizens and 2nd generation citizens. This would tell us something about the immigration interplay
with respect to total counts.
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Interesting question, so I looked it up. Turns our immigrants are healthier and live longer than we do.
  • Immigration adds 1.4 and 1.5 years to male and female life expectancy, respectively.
  • Immigration contributed roughly half of life expectancy gains between 2007 and 2017.
  • The post-2010 US mortality stagnation is due to adverse trends among the US-born.
  • Foreign-born life expectancies rival those of the world leaders in longevity.
Immigration and improvements in American life expectancy
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352827321001890?via=ihub
 
Murrmurr said:
Also, I just remembered; if you collect disability, you're auto-enrolled in Medicare when you're 65. And sometimes they switch you from SSDI to regular Soc-Sec, too. Depends on your disability, I guess?...idk.
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SSDI is what I'm on so I'm going to jump in here and answer that. After six months (keep in mind I retired 13 years ago so it could be different now), they forced me on Medicare. Regular retirement age for Social Security varies depending on date of birth now. I was born in 1958 so for me it is 66 and 8 months. When I reach that, it will be automatically converted.

I cannot wait. Disability is not a thing you ever want to be on even when you've already worked for 38 years. SSDI is what you get from working and is not affected by other income. SSD is what those disabled who never could work or who do not have enough work credits to qualify for SSDI. SSD will be affected by other income.

Side note: SSDI (not sure how often for SSD) will regularly monitor you. I always found this comical, to be honest. I was granted it because it was determined that I was permanently disabled (see, among other things, incurable, degenerative bone disease I've mentioned) but whatever. They will send you a form where you have to state you are still disabled, you haven't worked and listing your doctor appointments. To prove you're still permanently disabled. I filled it out dutifully resisting the urge to comment no, they haven't found a miracle cure for my permanent disability. I wish!

But just filled it out, yes, I'm still disabled, yes, it's gotten worse, no, I have not worked because I cannot and listed my doctor visits. They're only supposed to do this every five years but would routinely send me one every year. Instead of fighting with them, I just filled out. Which would result in a letter about a month after I mailed it saying our bad, we weren't supposed to audit you yet. I'd think way to keep your options open so it doesn't have to be five years from now.

Every year until Covid made them short-staffed or something. Well, it hasn't been five years since the last and I'm a year and two months from converting to regular. Cross fingers.
 

StarSong said:
I'm hardly disingenuous and quite frankly, you don't know me well enough to make such a sweeping judgment. As it happens, I'm fairly well versed in filing late for Medicare (using a special enrollment) without losing benefits or having to pay more later, but it's not relevant to this conversation since the State of NY apparently forced you into Medicare if you wanted to keep the other benefits they offered you. That's not true of all employers.

I'm sorry that you are suffering from so many ailments - it must be horrific for you.
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That wasn't State of New York rules. That was from the Social Security administration. Their rules. Federal, not state.
 
Nathan said:
Please tell us your story, as it sounds unique. Having paid into Social Security I wanted to take advantage of Medicare, since I paid for it. That, plus when I retired I no longer had the employer group insurance that I had become accustomed to in over 40 years. I still am with my healthcare provider, Medicare pays for that. The only difference is that now my co-pays are super low.
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I have had many health conditions that Medicare has flat out denied. You have been lucky so far. I hope you do not develop any of the conditions they deny. My secondary insurance pays thousands per year that Medicare refuses to cover. Or did. I'm no longer going to doctors. I went from not trusting them to downright fearing them due to their recent refusal to advocate for their patients.
 
StarSong said:
Same for me. It sure took the sting out of turning 65! That said, I had two friends who opted to delay. Both worked for large companies and preferred their existing medical plans - and for both it was an option offered by their companies. When they retired (at 68 and 70 respectively), they enrolled in Medicare with no penalties.

https://www.healthline.com/health/medicare/medicare-and-employer-coverage#keeping-employer-benefits

Can I keep my employer health insurance with Medicare?​

If you’re receiving health insurance coverage from your current place of work but also qualify for Medicare, you may find yourself choosing between Medicare and your group health plan. In most cases, the size of the company where you work determines whether you’ll face penalties for not enrolling in Medicare when you’re eligible.

"If your employer has 20 or more employees: you can delay signing up without any late enrollment penalties in the future."
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Fake news. My link was straight from the govenrment not some health news site. The State of New York has more than 20 employees. Just slightly. As of March, not counting retirees and seasonal/temporary, a quarter of a million.
 
Mr. Ed said:
Honestly I'll be glad when it is over.
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This. Seriously. I'm bearly living now. But, eh, I guess I'll just keep going. The more the government wants to kill me, the more I want to live and I do live in one of the four states where the governors got away with killing thousands of people like me. Better off dying than going to a nursing home. Period. Point blank. He didn't get away with chasing some aide around his desk but he did get away with day of the pillowing thousands of disabled seniors.
 
Pepper said:
Repellent attitude in my view. Don't even care to discuss it. If you needed it, you wouldn't turn it down. Just like your probable heroine Ayn Rand. At the end, she begged for it. Pardon me if I'm wrong; just getting to know you.
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I can't stand Ayn Rand. Why would you assume I like that miserable SOB? Before it was forced, Americans were generous with charity. We still are. Have you no faith in your fellow man? We're extremely charitable in this country and it should not be forced. I give to charity and I bet you do too. Private charities would pick up the tab if taxes didn't. It's your view... well, never mind, your personal attack was uncalled for.
 
StarSong said:
Agree completely with the above.

I'll also add that it's not the fault of the doctor, hospital, big pharma, etc., when our bodies fail, whether due to advanced age, unfortunate spins of the genetics wheel, bad luck or poor choices. Or even the (warned about) damage that can be done to our organs by taking various medicines for many years. Most in the medical field do the best they can. They're not magicians nor are they perfect.

And I say this despite the pain of losing a younger sister in childhood due to a hospital mistake/negligence.
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No, they're not to blame when it's beyond their control but they certainly are when they coerce you into ill-advised treatment because you took their advice as the professional to heart. I am suffering today from things definitely caused by doctors. Too personal to go into. Most doctors are in it solely for the money.
 
Teacher Terry said:
People love to dismiss some diseases as lifestyle issues such as HBP when they can actually be genetic.
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What is equally true is that [some] people love to dismiss some diseases such as HBP, obesity, metabolic disorders as genetic, thus excusing themselves from exercising healthier lifestyle choices. Genetics can be a factor with lifestyle being the main factor. Here's an interesting read: https://www.webmd.com/healthy-aging/features/genes-or-lifestyle
Another article:
https://www.heart.org/en/news/2022/...-genetics-and-add-years-free-of-heart-disease
 
Liberty said:
I'd like to see a USA yearly death statistic analysis of naturalized citizens and 2nd generation citizens. This would tell us something about the immigration interplay
with respect to total counts.
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What's your take on reaching 3rd generation. And what if it's mixed. My mother's side has been here since the 1600s. My father's parent's were immigrants. So roots here run deep on one side but I'm only 3rd generation on the other. If country of origin matters too- and realistically probably does - mother's English; father's French. His mother immigrated from Canada (French-Canadian) and his father from France; they met here in New York.
 
StarSong said:
Same for me. It sure took the sting out of turning 65! That said, I had two friends who opted to delay. Both worked for large companies and preferred their existing medical plans - and for both it was an option offered by their companies. When they retired (at 68 and 70 respectively), they enrolled in Medicare with no penalties.
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I did the same, stuck with my wife's insurance until I was 68, then went on Medicare, no penalties, no problems.
 
Blaze Duskdreamer said:
I can't stand Ayn Rand. Why would you assume I like that miserable SOB? Before it was forced, Americans were generous with charity. We still are. Have you no faith in your fellow man? We're extremely charitable in this country and it should not be forced. I give to charity and I bet you do too. Private charities would pick up the tab if taxes didn't. It's your view... well, never mind, your personal attack was uncalled for.
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I apologize and hope you accept. I enjoy seeing you here as part of this lovely group of lively people!
 
NYT opinion - "If you think about the mortality primarily in terms of declining life expectancy, chances are you are thinking about years lost at the end of life. But the much larger American anomaly is its deaths among the young and middle-aged — where violent deaths in particular subtract many more years of life than would almost any “natural” cause of death, which overwhelmingly strikes much later in life."

NYT opinion David Wallace-Wells
 
againstthegrain said:
NYT opinion - "If you think about the mortality primarily in terms of declining life expectancy, chances are you are thinking about years lost at the end of life. But the much larger American anomaly is its deaths among the young and middle-aged — where violent deaths in particular subtract many more years of life than would almost any “natural” cause of death, which overwhelmingly strikes much later in life."

NYT opinion David Wallace-Wells
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By my reckoning the NYT piece is right on the money.

I'd wager that in our age group almost every American has lost at least one family member or friend to suicide, murder by gun, other form of murder, drug overdose, drowning, and motor vehicle accident.

In my case, more than one in most categories.
 
Blaze Duskdreamer said:
What's your take on reaching 3rd generation. And what if it's mixed. My mother's side has been here since the 1600s. My father's parent's were immigrants. So roots here run deep on one side but I'm only 3rd generation on the other. If country of origin matters too- and realistically probably does - mother's English; father's French. His mother immigrated from Canada (French-Canadian) and his father from France; they met here in New York.
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Well, we certainly do have a "people pool" large enough to do some clinical extrapolation, even
back several generations. Although the medical powers that be are probably looking to gene identification and DNA to do that.
 
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