Shoot To Kill Looters

Yet... does ANYONE know why Freddie Grey was killed? What crime was he committing? What did he do to cause police to severe his spine, and crush his larynx? Does anyone know? My guess is he was guilty of running while black. Ralphy, I don't care what color the mayor is... so long as things like this keep happening, I'm afraid we are in for a long summer of protest and rioting in our cities..
 

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/04/24/pers-a24.html

Baltimore has a long history of police brutality, which has resulted in $5.7 million in payouts to victims since 2011. The Baltimore Sun reported that “Victims include a 15-year-old boy riding a dirt bike, a 26-year-old pregnant accountant who had witnessed a beating, a 50-year-old woman selling church raffle tickets, a 65-year-old church deacon rolling a cigarette and an 87-year-old grandmother aiding her wounded grandson.”
The killing of Gray is reminiscent of a 2005 police murder in the city, in which Dondi Johnson had his spine fractured after he was given an intentional “rough ride” in a police van that arrived at the station in half the time it would have taken if it were driving at the speed limit. His family received a $7.4 million judgment, which was subsequently reduced to $200,000.
In both cases, police were forced to admit that, contrary to protocol, they did not use seat belts to restrain the handcuffed prisoners. The city of Philadelphia has paid more than $2 million to settle lawsuits alleging that “rough rides” left two people paralyzed.
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Baltimore is emblematic of the enormous decay and deterioration of working-class living standards over the past several decades, leading its population to drop by nearly a third.
Since 1970 the city has lost more than 84 percent of its manufacturing jobs, while the official poverty rate has hit more than 25 percent. The beginning of this year saw the demolition of the towering L Blast Furnace, once the heart of the Bethlehem Steel mill at Sparrows Point, which employed thousands of workers over the course of a century.
Baltimore’s affluent city center, containing a world-class university and hospital system, is ringed by scenes of abject poverty; whole neighborhoods of burned-out and abandoned row houses, with tens of thousands in poverty.
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Conditions of social misery are accompanied by extraordinarily brutal and repressive policies directed against the city’s poor. Last year, Baltimore enacted a law fining the parents of children who violate the city’s 9:00 PM curfew up to $500. Advocates for the homeless denounced the curfew, which allows police to detain any young person caught outside after hours, saying it will push the city’s 2,400 homeless youth “farther into the shadows.”
In perhaps the most draconian attack on the city’s population, the city administration last month announced that it would begin shutting off water to as many as 25,000 poor residents, triggering protests.
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Baltimore is a troubled city.. This senseless case of police brutality against Freddy Grey lit the match on a tinderbox.
 
Yes and the punks are cutting the fire hoses...
 

Under certain conditions when they are trying to kill police officers or are threatening the lives of other people, such as store owners and employees, shooting to wound would certainly slow the mob down, because their parents can't or won't as shown by the only one to try...
 
Shalimar said:
Beating children? A deterrent, really? Ask any therapissed about that one. Perhaps that is why he finds rioting acceptable.
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Who said anything about beating children? THe news showed a mother going after her teenaged son while he was involved in the rioting... She took her hand and took a whack at him on his hoodied head and from what I could hear her say... and I paraphrase "What the F$%K are you doing out here involved in this mess? You ain't got no business out here! and she chased him home... I applaud her
 
It seems like there is a clear divide in the black community on how to handle these societal issues, and I applaud the mayor for saying that rioters and looters caught on camera will be punished to the full extent of the law. This is solution that will eventually solve the problem, strong black civic leadership along with strong black parenting...
 
Ralphy1 said:
It seems like there is a clear divide in the black community on how to handle these societal issues, and I applaud the mayor for saying that rioters and looters caught on camera will be punished to the full extent of the law. This is solution that will eventually solve the problem, strong black civic leadership along with strong black parenting...
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Hope so. Things are getting worse, not better.
 
Enough police power is coming in to stop the unruliness soon. I remember riding a subway in Washington years ago loaded with white tourists and a lone black woman. The train stopped at a station and a gang of black teenage boys entered and started swearing and acting in an intimating manner towards the passengers. The black woman got up and gave them hell and they got off at the next stop. Many of us thanked her for her intervention and wondered how out of hand things could have got had she hadn't...
 
Yes, with so many fathers missing the black community is a matriarchal society and these young teen boys respond to strong black women...
 
Ralphy1 said:
Yes, with so many fathers missing the black community is a matriarchal society and these young teen boys respond to strong black women...
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I agree... and even Black leaders know the importance of fathers. I would have LOVED to see a whole bunch of dads drag their kids home by the ears yesterday.
 
Way back in 2007....during the campaigns leading to the 2008 Presidential election...Obama was asked what he attributed the violence in the Black communities to. Without hesitation, he replied " The total breakdown of the inner city family structure". He was quite correct. Over 70% of the young Black kids are born to single mothers...many never knowing who their real father is. Most of these mothers are struggling just to get by, and these kids are being raised on the Street, with no Fatherly guidance and discipline to mold their lives. Kids will Always make the wrong choices, and it takes some strong parenting to raise them to be solid citizens.
 
Don M. said:
Way back in 2007....during the campaigns leading to the 2008 Presidential election...Obama was asked what he attributed the violence in the Black communities to. Without hesitation, he replied " The total breakdown of the inner city family structure". He was quite correct. Over 70% of the young Black kids are born to single mothers...many never knowing who their real father is. Most of these mothers are struggling just to get by, and these kids are being raised on the Street, with no Fatherly guidance and discipline to mold their lives. Kids will Always make the wrong choices, and it takes some strong parenting to raise them to be solid citizens.
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Ok... You have stated a problem. I think we all know about this problem.. So what's the solution?
 
"OK...You have stated a problem...what's the solution?"

The ultimate solution is going to have to be a change in the Mind Set of these people. They are going to have to take responsibility for the children they "sire". With the reliability of today's DNA testing, for example, a father should be easily identifiable, and that individual should be required to provide proper support for his "spawn". Failing to do so, IMO, should result in a free Vasectomy. If these clowns want to live like rabbits, and create an endless supply of Throw Away children, I don't see where society has any obligation to support their Animal Instincts.
 
Don M. said:
"OK...You have stated a problem...what's the solution?"

The ultimate solution is going to have to be a change in the Mind Set of these people. They are going to have to take responsibility for the children they "sire". With the reliability of today's DNA testing, for example, a father should be easily identifiable, and that individual should be required to provide proper support for his "spawn". Failing to do so, IMO, should result in a free Vasectomy. If these clowns want to live like rabbits, and create an endless supply of Throw Away children, I don't see where society has any obligation to support their Animal Instincts.
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So that's your solution.. Sterilize them against their will... Not to mention... do you realize how incredibly offensive your post is?

So.. that said.. It seems than that women usually carry the biggest responsibility for birth control.. That's not racial... It's a fact...and the fact remains that in all races, women have the most to lose from unplanned parenthood.. It's been pretty much established that the more education a woman receives, the less likely she is to have a child out of wedlock..

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Yet, Public education is always on the chopping block.. and more and more money spent on privatization of education.. almost ensuring that troubled kids from troubled families get short changed. Also, even if a kid makes it through High School, college education is pretty much out of reach for the poor. Washington has refused to address that, and have continued to raise interest rates on student loans. Perhaps starting with education may be a beginning of a solution?
 
Not mention... there has been a huge loss of jobs over the last 35 years... mostly due to bad trade agreements and legislation favorable to allowing corporations to move production to other countries..

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Time was, a young person could get a job in a factory and support a family.. He could get on right out of high school. Not now.. Most good paying jobs require a college degree.. or at least some college.

SO... we take lack of education... along with lack of good paying jobs in areas like manufacturing... and we have what we have now. pockets of poverty and no family structure.. I think the solution lies in getting education and jobs into the poor areas... and NOT minimum wage jobs... GOOD paying jobs...


How do people take responsibilities and "pull themselves up by their boot straps" when we have taken away the boots?
 
Too many issues here for one person or one solution to change things. One of the big tips for that Baltimore was brewing was introduction of a massive camera/surveillance program. It's shows desperation on the part of the public and police. It also helps rationalize the ends justifies the means. Now it becomes a game of gotcha.

Ironically, the mayor said any one caught on camera rampaging will be prosecuted as they absolutely should be. But did the cameras prevent or even help the police during the rioting. The cameras are for after the fact punishment. If they want prevention they need better trained police and more in the community policing. And the community itself as many did come out against the criminals & crime.
 
We have the video of the police folding Freddie Grey up like a pretzel... or as one witness described it like a piece of origami, with his feet touching the back of his head likely breaking his spine... and we still don't know what he did.. or what instigated that.. and no one is held accountable.. So what do you expect?
 
In a few days, or even weeks, it is hard to hold a person responsible for anything. It all needs to come up in meetings to have charges posted. Everyone, everyone, is allowed this grace time for charges and proofs to be debated and determined to be true and fair to all involved. Once those charges are determined to be true then legal charges will be made and appropriate actions taken.

Instant justice is a big problem in too many cases.
 

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