Shooting of Breonna Taylor, and the "no knock" procedure, plus "stand your ground".

Status
Not open for further replies.
fuzzybuddy

fuzzybuddy

SF VIP
Location
The Sticks, Northeast PA.
Breonna Taylor was a EMT. She was shot to death by police. They were executing a "no knock" search warrant for her boy friend. That means they could barge into her apartment. Her boy friend and police fired many rounds, and Miss Taylor was shot multiple times. This whole event is one bucket of worms. The police wore plain clothes. Their search warrant had multiple issues with its legality. Upon entering the apartment, Kenneth Walker, who claimed to fear a break in, and was licensed to carry a fire arm, shot at the police. No drugs what so ever were found in the apartment. The police claimed that they knocked and announced themselves, before they entered the apartment. Walker and 11 others claimed they didn't.
Personally, this is another incidence of a poorly trained, and disciplined police dept. There are so many issues about the questionable basis for, and the legality of the warrant, plus its execution. Was Mr. Walker "standing his ground" from a home invasion? And how do you justify killing an unarmed person, with multiple bullets, for a "search warrant".
 

Last edited:
Are you able to broaden your explanation of this comment? I am puzzled by the wording. Thank you.

There are so many issues about the questionable basis for, and the legality of the warrant, plus its execution.
 
Aunt Marg said:
The SYG law in the USofA, both dear husband and I just shake our heads.

I mean is there anything more asinine?
Click to expand...
First of all, and just to show how misinformed you are, SYG laws are state level. Not every state has them.

And to your second question, yes, there is something far more asinine. Being unable to defend yourself, your family, and others against an attacker. You may find that acceptable there in the great white north, I do not.
 
Fuzzybuddy, Are you not going to await the justice system's procedure and stand by their conclusion? Just yell guillotine?
You are now trying to incite others to your way of thinking?
I hope all involved in deciding their fate will use thinking from other than the lower functions of the mind. It's not our judgement. IMO.
 
Like usually is the case, little bits of information are coming out, but slowly. I was surprised that the city gave the family $12,000,000.00 and the fact that this was settle in about 6 months.

I heard on the news that one Officer was charged with "Wanton Endangerment." Which means something like the officer had no regards for loss of life by using malicious use of force.
 
911 said:
Like usually is the case, little bits of information are coming out, but slowly. I was surprised that the city gave the family $12,000,000.00 and the fact that this was settle in about 6 months.

I heard on the news that one Officer was charged with "Wanton Endangerment." Which means something like the officer had no regards for loss of life by using malicious use of force.
Click to expand...
I would say that confirms everything I already know these days.

Overly carefree and remiss.

Human life sure has become disposable, hasn't it?
 
here is one guys view which I tend to side with. If you're choosing to hang around criminals, bad things may happen.

we have some "drug addicts" near where I live, police are always here looking for them... I choose not to associate with those type of people because they're almost always up to no good (they often steal, lie, bum money, and they don't work and frankly can't be trusted).

What happened to personal responsibility in the choices we make?

I cant say if the officers did something wrong I was not there and our biased media cant be trusted to tell the facts.

BT.jpg
 
Last edited:
911 said:
Are you able to broaden your explanation of this comment? I am puzzled by the wording. Thank you.

There are so many issues about the questionable basis for, and the legality of the warrant, plus its execution.
Click to expand...
From reports, the original warrant was obtained on questionable evidence. And at the time of the execution of the warrant, it was not a "no knock" warrant. The "no knock" warrant had be rescinded. 11 witnesses, and Mr. Walker claim that the police entered the apartment without knocking.
 
Aunt Marg said:
I would say that confirms everything I already know these days.

Overly carefree and remiss.
Click to expand...
fuzzybuddy said:
From reports, the original warrant was obtained on questionable evidence. And at the time of the execution of the warrant, it was not a "no knock" warrant. The "no knock" warrant had be rescinded. 11 witnesses, and Mr. Walker claim that the police entered the apartment without knocking.
Click to expand...
Are you able to verify this information? I cannot find anything that states the warrant was rescinded. This may have been on a social media site just to raise the ire of the mobs.
 
Here in PA, if a defense attorney wants to have a warrant recalled, there is generally a short hearing before the Judge that issued the original warrant. After hearing both sides, the Judge will render his decision before adjournment. It's a process and it's highly unlikely that an Officer would even attempt to serve the warrant knowing that he could be charged with Disobeying a Court Order.
 
macgeek said:
here is one guys view which I tend to side with. If you're choosing to hang around criminals, bad things may happen.

we have some "drug addicts" near where I live, police are always here looking for them... I choose not to associate with those type of people because they're almost always up to no good (they often steal, lie, bum money, and they don't work and frankly can't be trusted).

What happened to personal responsibility in the choices we make?

I cant say if the officers did something wrong I was not there and our biased media cant be trusted to tell the facts.

View attachment 124037
Click to expand...
Deon, is shaping up to make for a mighty-fine policeman one day, or a great legal defence team member when representing the "good guys" of these types of heinous wrongdoings.

I'm surprised Deon, stopped at what he did in his bubble of thoughts. If only he had added, if Breonna Taylor, wasn't born, this whole thing wouldn't have happened.

At least it would have concluded and confirmed to all, that no matter how wrong search orders go, they'll always be a following of people in society that will support those wrongs no matter what.
 
Last edited:
Aunt Marg said:
Fuzzy

An update on the Breonna Taylor case.

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world...n-breonna-taylor-death/ar-BB19lKSP?ocid=ientp
Click to expand...
And even that one cop was not charged with Ms. Taylor's death. He was charged with "Wanton Endangerment" because he also fired into a neighbor's apartment in his haste to empty his gun. He has nothing to worry about legally, except maybe being placed on probation.
And people have every right to be outraged.
As I've said before, there is a different system of justice for thug cops.

The officer's attorney: "Your Honor, We're fighting this terrible war on drugs....we thought they were drug dealers.....we have to get tough on drugs....we had to bust in without announcing who we were.....we needed the element of surprise........it's not my client's fault that we had the wrong address......my client is a hero......"
 
Last edited:
win231 said:
And even that one cop was not charged with Ms. Taylor's death. He was charged with "Wanton Endangerment" because he also fired into a neighbor's apartment in his haste to empty his gun. He has nothing to worry about legally, except maybe being placed on probation.
And people have every right to be outraged.
As I've said before, there is a different system of justice for thug cops.
Click to expand...
I couldn't agree more with you, Win.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
According to the New York Times, "While the department had gotten court approval for a 'no-knock' entry, the orders were changed before the raid to 'knock and announce,' meaning that the police had to identify themselves.
The New York Times. ISSN 0362-4331. Archived from the original on September 17, 2020. Retrieved September 18, 2020.
Click to expand...
OK, I found this in the archived article:

"While the department had gotten court approval for a “no-knock” entry, the orders were changed before the raid to “knock and announce,” meaning that the police had to identify themselves."

There is at least one witness who claims to have heard the police knock and announce. Ms. Taylor's boyfriend denies hearing the announcement.

I can only say that had her boyfriend not shot first, the police may not have returned fire and everyone would still be OK. However, when you find yourself in that position, you're probably going to return fire, so that you and your fellow officers can safely retreat. Remember, they had an injured officer that could barely move, so they had to do something to give themselves time to withdraw. I am not defending them, but I really don't know what I would have done and it's not my job to denounce their actions, seeing as how I was not involved. I am sure that it was a scar situation for everyone involved.

To this day, I am still mystified as to how she took 8 bullets and her boyfriend, Kenneth Walker, never took even 1. One statement that I read from a friend of Mr. Walker's stated to the media that Mr. Walker may have used Ms. Taylor as a human shield.

Moving past this thread for a moment, I am going to state that I am looking forward to the trials for the people that have been shot this summer and/or the dispositions of such. We should all be interested and be aware of these happenings, but not judgmental. Let the trials play out and let's see where the evidence takes us before we make our own decisions before passing judgment.
 

Last edited:
Status
Not open for further replies.

Back
Top