Shooting of Breonna Taylor, and the "no knock" procedure, plus "stand your ground".

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911 said:
OK, I found this in the archived article:

"While the department had gotten court approval for a “no-knock” entry, the orders were changed before the raid to “knock and announce,” meaning that the police had to identify themselves."

There is at least one witness who claims to have heard the police knock and announce. Ms. Taylor's boyfriend denies hearing the announcement.

I can only say that had her boyfriend not shot first, the police may not have returned fire and everyone would still be OK. However, when you find yourself in that position, you're probably going to return fire, so that you and your fellow officers can safely retreat. Remember, they had an injured officer that could barely move, so they had to do something to give themselves time to withdraw. I am not defending them, but I really don't know what I would have done and it's not my job to denounce their actions, seeing as how I was not involved. I am sure that it was a scar situation for everyone involved.

To this day, I am still mystified as to how she took 8 bullets and her boyfriend, Kenneth Walker, never took even 1. One statement that I read from a friend of Mr. Walker's stated to the media that Mr. Walker may have used Ms. Taylor as a human shield.

Moving past this thread for a moment, I am going to state that I am looking forward to the trials for the people that have been shot this summer and/or the dispositions of such. We should all be interested and be aware of these happenings, but not judgmental. Let the trials play out and let's see where the evidence takes us before we make our own decisions before passing judgment.
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Therein lies the problem.

There is no true justice system, it's broken, that's why this sort of thing keeps on happening again and again, hence the general publics prejudgment on cases such as this. People (for the most part) have lost their faith and trust in the "system".
 

Some things I wonder about in this case...
  • Why were the police executing a search warrant dressed in plain clothes? It's not like it was an undercover operation. WTF?
  • Why weren't they all wearing body cameras in a situation with a high potential for violence? Doing so would have removed all ambiguity in this case. We'd know who said what and who fired first.
  • Why do the police keep making the same mistakes over and over and over?...
 

911 said:
Like usually is the case, little bits of information are coming out, but slowly. I was surprised that the city gave the family $12,000,000.00 and the fact that this was settle in about 6 months.

I heard on the news that one Officer was charged with "Wanton Endangerment." Which means something like the officer had no regards for loss of life by using malicious use of force.
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Yes. Heaven forbid the city compensate the family just because a group of heroes murdered their loved one.
 
A woman is dead. Her door is bashed in. And outside of her apartment, a police officer shot blindly into the apartment complex 8 times, and even sending bullets into a neighboring apartment. And some say, that's just too bad. And, oh, BTW, the police have no direct evidence that Miss Taylor, nor Mr. Kenneth Walker had anything to do with any illegal drugs. There were absolutely no illegal drugs found in Miss Taylor's apartment. And nobody thinks, we need to improve things.
 
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People of color in the USA almost never get any justice. Nothing has changed on that in decades. Police are allowed to do whatever they want and can avoid any penalties by simply using the excuse that they feared for life. So all that is left for victim families is to sue for the largest settlement possible. Taxpayers don't mind handing over their money to protect their cops. Cops are sacred.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
A woman is dead. Her door is bashed in. And outside of her apartment, a police officer shot blindly into the apartment complex 8 times, and even sending bullets into a neighboring apartment. And some say, that's just too bad. And, oh, BTW, the police have no direct evidence that Miss Taylor, nor Mr. Kenneth Walker had anything to do with any illegal drugs. There were absolutely no illegal drugs found in Miss Taylor's apartment. And nobody thinks, we need to improve things.
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Yes, and it's no surprise that police are doing what they always do when they screw up: Try to trash the victims to make their screw up seem justifiable. A previous article said "Police are investigating the strong possibility that Ms. Taylor was "Living with a drug dealer."
I'm reminded of the same thing after the Rodney King beating (where police officers bragged that they "Hit a few home runs that night" and
"This whole neighborhood is like Gorillas in the Mist" - referring to black people.)
Police went on & on about Rodney King's criminal record - as if that justified what they did - which was worse than anything he did.
 
jerry old said:
Give it a rest⛔
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Giving it a rest, Jerry, that's why we're witnessing what we're witnessing today, society has been sleeping on the job for too long.

For too long now, the general public has been looking the other way, pretending they see nothing, pretending they know nothing, pretending they hear nothing, pretending everything is okay, harvesting absolute trust in the police, siding with the police, and pretending that the justice system is there for them and will remedy all.

All of this pretending has gotten us nowhere, but rather, it's set the stage for further corrupt and abusive behaviour along the way, we see it in the defunct, unprincipled, and crooked manner in which today's court system operates.

Authority is just like the common petty criminal, it starts off small, then as authority recognizes that no one is there to watch them, to call them out on their behaviour, to rein them in, or to punish them, their delinquent behaviour intensifies, with them reaching for more, and more, and more.

They push it just enough, tip-toing right on the edge to maintain and preserve general public trust, and being as gullible as the general public is, the criminal presses on, and before long we are left with the broken, embarrassing, and pathetic justice system we have in place today.

"Giving it a rest" is not the answer, just as allowing a school-yard bully to carry-on abusing and bullying others is not the answer.
 
If these people were so guilty why award a $12,000,000.00 settlement? It doesn’t make sense.

Note: it’s a surprise visit by plain clothes officers (12 people didn’t hear a knock ) yet no drugs were found and the warrant is said to be questionable.

If this was a surprise visit by plain clothed men, then it shouldn’t be a surprise that these plain clothed officers got shot at

All Americans I know have boldly and proudly stated that if anyone breaks into their home, they shoot them. Why is this so different? How was the home owner to know these were police officers breaking in?

Shouldn’t rules be the same for everyone across the board? I’m trying to understand this but just can’t.
 
Nosy Bee-54 said:
People of color in the USA almost never get any justice. Nothing has changed on that in decades. Police are allowed to do whatever they want and can avoid any penalties by simply using the excuse that they feared for life. So all that is left for victim families is to sue for the largest settlement possible. Taxpayers don't mind handing over their money to protect their cops. Cops are sacred.
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Speak for yourself. I mind a great deal that we have to pay out these settlements because of bad cops who almost never get punished, other than maybe a little slap on the wrist. Thanks to the police unions, the police are above the law. Protesters should go after the police unions because they're a big part of the problem.
 
After 20 post any thread becomes redundant.
In this case, I prefer the post of those that have experience in this area..
If the posting continues they will become mere yammering.
In time, all the information will become available.


My opinion is as without merit until all the facts are released.

No unarmed civilian, not involved in criminal behavior in their own home, or anywhere else not be shot, much less killed. should be killed
Cops on any raid are filled with adrenaline.
If a shot is fired, they will spray the site with their return fire.
There is more to this event: we do not know all the facts.

When we know when the shot was fired-then we can form a creditable opinion.
Honestly, win231.! I have experience in the drug trade-do you?

I had no intention of posting my opinion until your challenge, it too is redundant.

I think a PM of your and others would have been more appropriate.
 
jerry old said:
After 20 post any thread becomes redundant.
In this case, I prefer the post of those that have experience in this area..
If the posting continues they will become mere yammering.
In time, all the information will become available.


My opinion is as without merit until all the facts are released.

No unarmed civilian, not involved in criminal behavior in their own home, or anywhere else not be shot, much less killed. should be killed
Cops on any raid are filled with adrenaline.
If a shot is fired, they will spray the site with their return fire.
There is more to this event: we do not know all the facts.

When we know when the shot was fired-then we can form a creditable opinion.
Honestly, win231.! I have experience in the drug trade-do you?

I had no intention of posting my opinion until your challenge, it too is redundant.

I think a PM of your and others would have been more appropriate.
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You seem so angry, Jerry.
 
jerry old said:
After 20 post any thread becomes redundant.
In this case, I prefer the post of those that have experience in this area..
If the posting continues they will become mere yammering.
In time, all the information will become available.


My opinion is as without merit until all the facts are released.

No unarmed civilian, not involved in criminal behavior in their own home, or anywhere else not be shot, much less killed. should be killed
Cops on any raid are filled with adrenaline.
If a shot is fired, they will spray the site with their return fire.
There is more to this event: we do not know all the facts.

When we know when the shot was fired-then we can form a creditable opinion.
Honestly, win231.! I have experience in the drug trade-do you?

I had no intention of posting my opinion until your challenge, it too is redundant.

I think a PM of your and others would have been more appropriate.
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Your "Experience in the drug trade" is completely irrelevant to the issue. But, if your experience includes work in law enforcement, it would certainly explain why you don't like this discussion.
And, honestly, (as I said before), no one is forcing you to read or participate in any thread you don't like.
 
Is there any way to block ‘current news’ so I don’t see all these threads about people getting unfairly shot and killed? I find it very disturbing and don’t wish to get involved yet do.
 
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If I may intercede here folks. This last annum has been very trying for everyone even here at "Senior forums" not to mention the global pandemic that has literally turned America on it's head. We are now experiencing what other countries have had to endure involving epidemics, pandemics and a whole host of other life changing political, socioeconomic, criminal justice, religious and terrorist related issues that a great majority of us here just cannot wrap our heads around and that in itself is psychologically debilitating. It's called FUTURE SHOCK. The world is literally going to HELL with itself. Americas historic shame and disgrace involving our police killing people of color has not escalated or even something new. What has changed is the 2 decades old militarization of our police forces. Urban warfare training. Military surplus vehicles in mobile patrol fleets and military grade tactical weapons, etc, etc, etc. Thanks to media technology including forced transparency in police/media disclosure including the Sunshine policy what was once hidden has now come to light and ever increasing media and more so public scrutiny. I'm not going to lower myself by excoriating all law enforcement agencies because in my 50 year career I've crossed paths with many fine officers from Penn-Central RR Police Department, Conrail Police Department, AMTRAK Police Department, MTA-Eastern & Northern District Police Department, NYNJPA/PATHPD, NJT Police Department, NYPD, NYSP, NJSP, PSP, MSP, VSP, SEPTA, MARC. Did I forget anybody? They all had very hard jobs and they were all very fine officers and I commend them for their hard work and dedication. For the life of me I could not and would not want their jobs. I could not fathom putting on a uniform, gun and badge and going out in the street for 8 long grueling hours every day knowing that there were actually people out in the street for whatever reason they have waiting to kill me for the next 20 years. So let's pray to GOD that we can get together and make things right if we want to survive as a race. Not the White, Black or whatever race. The human race. Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins, let his death for our salvation not be in vain. GOD Bless.
 
FastTrax said:
If I may intercede here folks. This last annum has been very trying for everyone even here at "Senior forums" not to mention the global pandemic that has literally turned America on it's head. We are now experiencing what other countries have had to endure involving epidemics, pandemics and a whole host of other life changing political, socioeconomic, criminal justice, religious and terrorist related issues that a great majority of us here just cannot wrap our heads around and that in itself is psychologically debilitating. It's called FUTURE SHOCK. The world is literally going to HELL with itself. Americas historic shame and disgrace involving our police killing people of color has not escalated or even something new. What has changed is the 2 decades old militarization of our police forces. Urban warfare training. Military surplus vehicles in mobile patrol fleets and military grade tactical weapons, etc, etc, etc. Thanks to media technology including forced transparency in police/media disclosure including the Sunshine policy what was once hidden has now come to light and ever increasing media and more so public scrutiny. I'm not going to lower myself by excoriating all law enforcement agencies because in my 50 year career I've crossed paths with many fine officers from Penn-Central RR Police Department, Conrail Police Department, AMTRAK Police Department, MTA-Eastern & Northern District Police Department, NYNJPA/PATHPD, NJT Police Department, NYPD, NYSP, NJSP, PSP, MSP, VSP, SEPTA, MARC. Did I forget anybody? They all had very hard jobs and they were all very fine officers and I commend them for their hard work and dedication. For the life of me I could not and would not want their jobs. I could not fathom putting on a uniform, gun and badge and going out in the street for 8 long grueling hours every day knowing that there were actually people out in the street for whatever reason they have waiting to kill me for the next 20 years. So let's pray to GOD that we can get together and make things right if we want to survive as a race. Not the White, Black or whatever race. The human race. Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins, let his death for our salvation not be in vain. GOD Bless.
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That’s a great post FastTrax. You summarized that so well.
 
Two police officers were shot tonite in Louisville.... a curfew was set for 9:00 pm, which was not followed by the protestors.......two wrongs don't make a right..... but lawlessness......is not the answer.
 

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