Should it be Citizenship then origin

When I was little I was taught the America is a melting pot. I thought we were the only melting plot, and all other countries were horrible at assimilation. But the problem is that in America, there is always someone that has to stir the pot.
Americans make themselves different.. by hyphenating their name... it causes trouble between races ... you have Irish Americans fighting with Italian Americans, and African Americans crying foul, ''we're not treated the same as Jewish Americans because of our colour/race/creed''...and so forth... if they all called themselves simply Americans there might be a lot less problems
 

Should it be Citizenship then origin
I come down on the just call me an American side. It is important, more important, to me anyway than the rest. If you want to tell people about your ethnic or genetic origins that's fine, I always appreciate hearing about it. But that's a different subject.

Of course the problem with saying we are Americans ignores all non-US citizens who are from the Western Hemisphere. Canadians, Argentines, Cubans and the like are also American. No real solution here, we are a country without a unique name, except perhaps United States of America.
Why are Americans the only country to want to be known by their long passed ancestors ?
Right! And we should not be. According to my DNA test I could call myself a Neanderthal-American, 3% anyway.
Historically I would be labeled as colored and that was that.
When and where I grew up that was the most respectful word to describe people like you. Fortunately my parents made sure it was the word I used. Many of my friends used less respectful words. Now however I have trouble sometimes using other things like African or Black. Colored still seems respectful to me, but I know it doesn't to a lot of others. It is still the word long engrained in my brain.

Rob, the older, but still kicking American.
 
I am a British Subject, which is also European, born in Scotland, Canadian Citizen, Canada is part of America........
What should I call myself.....
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I come down on the just call me an American side. It is important, more important, to me anyway than the rest. If you want to tell people about your ethnic or genetic origins that's fine, I always appreciate hearing about it. But that's a different subject.

Of course the problem with saying we are Americans ignores all non-US citizens who are from the Western Hemisphere. Canadians, Argentines, Cubans and the like are also American. No real solution here, we are a country without a unique name, except perhaps United States of America.

Right! And we should not be. According to my DNA test I could call myself a Neanderthal-American, 3% anyway.

When and where I grew up that was the most respectful word to describe people like you. Fortunately my parents made sure it was the word I used. Many of my friends used less respectful words. Now however I have trouble sometimes using other things like African or Black. Colored still seems respectful to me, but I know it doesn't to a lot of others. It is still the word long engrained in my brain.

Rob, the older, but still kicking American.
remember we are also called United ..United Kingdom..and we've had millions of immigrants from long before America was even known to the world , we still don't define each other by our ancestors...
 
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American works for me.

I prefer the Melting Pot theory, save the racial and ethnic identifiers for holidays and heritage events.

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Same here.

A few years ago, I read on the web that "multiculturalism" has been emphasized since the 1970s. I'd never heard of it before local schools' "diversity education." Seems all the focus on "everybody has his/her own 'culture'" is causing more divisions than there were before.
 
I wholeheartedly agree. Historically I would be labeled as colored and that was that. The new politically correct label is Black. In the 60's Black Nationalist hung the African American moniker on those of us who had pride in just being an American. Now some African Americans or Black Americans or Black Nationalist will deride a Black citizen who labels themselves as just an American yet choke a person of another race to death for calling them colored yet those same African Americans donate their African American or Black American money to the N.A.A.C.P. Strange.

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An actor named Brian Copeland wrote his autobiography, and where he addressed this topic was interesting- everybody was telling him he had to call himself something different, it was almost like an identity-crisis.
 
I have always felt that calling the U.S.A. America is a misnomer. We have North America and South America. All the individuals on these two continents are technically Americans. Anyway back on topic. I think it works the way it stands now. Geographic origin then citizenship. My people were from Ireland and Whales but when it comes to citizenship I consider myself a citizen of the United States of America. 🇺🇲
We are the only "Americans". It's a technicality thing. The name is "United States of America". We are the only nation with "America" in our name. But, as you stated, we live in North America, so we and all other N. & S. American nations are "Americans". Some lousy know-it-all pointed that out to me years ago.
 
I have always felt that calling the U.S.A. America is a misnomer. We have North America and South America. All the individuals on these two continents are technically Americans. Anyway back on topic. I think it works the way it stands now. Geographic origin then citizenship. My people were from Ireland and Whales but when it comes to citizenship I consider myself a citizen of the United States of America. 🇺🇲
I think you meant WALES, didn't you ? JImB.
 
Explain further for me please.
I will keep this simple, as pain killers block complex thought. For many, Canada and Canadians are a concept, a just society, obviously still in the aspiration stage, due to our treatment of Indigenous people etc. With that in mind, we are not interested in a one flavour fits all citizenry, where people are pressured to set aside their cultural traditions, and embrace some rigid, rather

homogenous idea of what a Canadian is. Instead, we welcome a colourful bouquet of cultures. All are expected to follow Canadian laws, but aside from that, they are free to maintain their cultural

practices as they see fit. We believe this diversity promotes tolerance and understanding, as well as greatly enriching our cultural base. Come to think of it, many Canucks are rather reticent about outwardly displaying our considerable patriotism. We feel it, but rarely see the need to proclaim it.
 
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I'm a French Canadian American ( or the other way around) When do you stop being a "X" American? Canada threw my relatives out at least 100 years ago, I spent less than a week in Canada in my entire life. Some of us have lived here longer than our ancestors lived where they came from. When you talk to Brits & Europeans, nobody says "I'm an Italian-French." or "Swiss Brit". To be ultra correct, we are all "African X" , from thousands of years ago, when we wandered out of Africa.
 
If my last post doesn't make sense, it's because I was responding to the post about why we call ourselves Americans, when we are the geographically smallest part of the Americas.
 

Naturalization Oath of Allegiance to the United States of America​

Oath
"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."
 

The Pledge of Allegiance​

The Pledge of Allegiance was written in August 1892 by the socialist minister Francis Bellamy (1855-1931). It was originally published in The Youth's Companion on September 8, 1892. Bellamy had hoped that the pledge would be used by citizens in any country.

In its original form it read:

"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
In 1923, the words, "the Flag of the United States of America" were added. At this time it read:

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
In 1954, in response to the Communist threat of the times, President Eisenhower encouraged Congress to add the words "under God," creating the 31-word pledge we say today. Bellamy's daughter objected to this alteration. Today it reads:

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
https://www.ushistory.org/documents/pledge.htm?vm=r
 
Want to start a fight in a bar in Canada ? Just call us "Americans ". WE define ourselves as " Not Americans ". That is why we value our national identifiers, like the Maple Leaf, the beaver, hockey, and the motto " Peace , Order and Good Government ". If it is OK for Americans to be "proud of their country " then it should also be OK for us to be proud of our country, too. JimB.
 
As an American, I believe that it should be citizenship first then Origin of birth. Such as American Mexican, American African, American Brit and so on. It is used for American Indians, so why the change when other peoples that come from other parts of the planet and pledge citizenship here in America? It seems a little un-unifying.
The term American Indians has largely given way to Native American but both terms are used by some of us to differentiate those 'longest here peoples' from the Indians Columbus was looking for--on the subcontinent of India. Most of Native Americans i've known over the years often refer to themselves by the name of their tribe (Diné, Navajo, Zuni, Lakota, etc) but are quite aware considering how many of them have served in the military, and that they were finally afforded citizenship and do vote that they are also Americans.
 
@Alligatorob said..."we are a country without a unique name, except perhaps United States of America." You know i've wondered sometimes what if a group of Central American or South American countries decided to form a county that included several formerly separate ones? Would they call themselves USCA/UCCA or USSA/UCSA or would they be more creative in naming their new nation?
 
@Alligatorob said..."we are a country without a unique name, except perhaps United States of America." You know i've wondered sometimes what if a group of Central American or South American countries decided to form a county that included several formerly separate ones? Would they call themselves USCA/UCCA or USSA/UCSA or would they be more creative in naming their new nation?
what about The United States of America ? :sneaky:
 
what about The United States of America ? :sneaky:
Technically they would be as entitled to that name as we in North America, if it ever came to pass it would likely chafe the feelings of those who believe in 'American Exceptalism' and ignore the fact our country's name acts as if the South American continent and Central American Isthmus don't exist.

In recent years i've begun to suspect it really won't be an issue in the next century--one way or the other. Can't elaborate here because i'd have talk about politics more directly.
 
I hope so. I like Canada. and most Canadians.
But has the long-standing antagonism between Quebec and the rest of Canada been resolved?
(sorry I don't know how to use accent marks on keyboard)
I think this antagonism has lessened, become largely a generational thing. Older Québécois are more liable to voice dissatisfaction than younger people. Separatism is no longer popular. I can’t speak for all Canadians, but I don’t know anyone who is anti Quebec, although we do not necessarily agree with some of their policies around the hijab etc.
 
i've wondered sometimes what if a group of Central American or South American countries decided to form a county that included several formerly separate ones? Would they call themselves USCA/UCCA or USSA/UCSA or would they be more creative in naming their new nation?
Mexico's official name is "Estados Unidos Mexicanos" close but at least they have a unique name to attach the US to. Mexico historically only referred to the Valley of Mexico, not the whole country.
what about The United States of America ? :sneaky:
Yep, that would work! For any collection of states in the Americas, North, South or both. Canada could use it, but maybe they would be the United Provinces of America...
 
Mexico's official name is "Estados Unidos Mexicanos" close but at least they have a unique name to attach the US to. Mexico historically only referred to the Valley of Mexico, not the whole country.

Yep, that would work! For any collection of states in the Americas, North, South or both. Canada could use it, but maybe they would be the United Provinces of America...
Rob. Seriously ? Canada does not want to be " American " in any way. Please respect that desire to be ourselves, not " America light ". JimB.
 


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