Should tit for tat be the answer to ISIS for executions?

Ralphy1

Ralphy1

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Jordan has executed two extremist prisoners for the brutal slaying of their captured pilot. Methinks that descending into barbarity in retaliation is not the way to go, though I can understand the impulse to do so. With me you should all agree...
 

BTW I hope you are not too cold over there in snow land....wheras I, of course am luxuriating in balmy temps in the low 80Fs
 

The way to go will probably be many D-Day type efforts at some point in time. As for your gloating over my suffering under a few feet of snow, Lisa has not retired yet, need I say more?
 
I think D day type assaults have had their day Ralphy. Perhaps your brain is frozen? (we are off to the beach for a few days....I will salute you in champagne as I sit on the deck overlooking the ocean) Give my best to Lisa and tell her I look forward to seeing her one day.....in the vicinity of a famous tree I once told you all about.
 
OK, maybe just a tactical nuke might do it. Meanwhile, while you are sipping some bubbly, just keep an eye to the sea as Lisa has been taking snorkeling lessons...
 
I am so on the fence about this one... ON one hand.. what Jordan did was sinking to the level of those barbarians... on the other hand I say YES... way to go!!
 
The woman that the Jordanians executed had already been convicted of a failed suicide bombing attempt.
In their terms the execution was justice, not revenge. They didn't burn her alive.
 
But they immediately strung her up in retaliation for their pilot...
 
I'm curious to see what Japan is going to do. I understand that for the very first time since WWII Japan is making aggressive statements and promising revenge. Anyone who has known a WWII Vet will tell you that the Japanese are honor bound and fearless vicious fighters.. This could be very interesting.
 
True, but they were only holding off in the hope of a prisoner exchange. No exchange, no release, no reprieve.

We have two Australians about to be executed in Bali for heroin smuggling twelve years ago.
Although we don't have a death penalty anymore, the Indonesians do.
Out of nine people involved in the enterprise, they only imposed the death penalty on the two ringleaders.
All legal avenues and appeals for clemency have now been exhausted and they will face a firing squad very soon.
By now they must be prepared for their fate.
Each has undergone some sort of moral/spiritual transformation in the prison but time is now up.

The Jordanian woman has been waiting four years for her sentence to be carried out.
Now it has been. Four years ago she was ready to die and take a lot of others with her.
Her hanging was not unjust IMO.
 
QuickSilver said:
I'm curious to see what Japan is going to do. I understand that for the very first time since WWII Japan is making aggressive statements and promising revenge. Anyone who has known a WWII Vet will tell you that the Japanese are honor bound and fearless vicious fighters.. This could be very interesting.
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'...Abe, whom the extremists blamed for supporting their enemies with nonlethal aid, said Japan would continue to expand such efforts as food and medical assistance, to countries in the Middle East....'http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/02/01/national/islamic-state-group-purportedly-releases-goto-execution-video/#.VNIlxVpRpcw

Well, I guess there's your answer. This was in the Japanese Times on February 1st. Keep in mind that after WW2, the Japanese government wrote Article 9 of their Constititution that prohibits any type of overseas conflict. I believe it did leave room for 'support' as in food and medical assistance which is demonstrated in the above link.

Aint' Google grand?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_9_of_the_Japanese_Constitution
 
http://groundreport.com/isis-has-no-idea-what-it-has-done-in-murdering-haruna-yukawa/

Japanese officials, particularly in the military are reacting to the slaughter of one of its citizens Haruna Yukawa outwardly in a manner of quite reserve, but inwardly they are raging inside!

In Japan’s feudal past, the Samurai class upheld the honor of their family, clan, nation or lord through the practice of revenge killings (敵討ち katakiuchi).
These killings could also involve the relatives of an offender. Today, katakiuchi is most often pursued by peaceful means, but revenge remains an important part of Japanese culture.
Its a concept that is, in many ways engrained within Japanese society, particularly its culture and art. It is a concept which is very much alive in Japan today.
In speaking about this situation of the murder of Yukara, one Japanese military officer I chatted with online, who asked not to be identified in this report indicated “this is by no means over with.” Another problem he says is the fact that “this act was done with no honor or respect for the dead.”

“Yukawa was not afforded proper funerary rite “, this officer indicated. “His soul is at risk, so is everyone even remotely associated with his murder” he added.
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Anyone who believes that Japan will do nothing but provide aid is naïve. It may not be an open conflict, but I think that thousands of years of culture is not going to let this incident go avenged.


yes debby..... Google works for everyone...
 
I have spent the better part of my life attempting to convince people that there are certain situations in which you not only sink to the level of your opponent, but below it.

Words on paper only go so far; speeches are pretty but they don't always get the job done. Only speaking the language that your opponent understands - in this case, violence - will work. It might take a while and might require a lot of pre-emptive strikes, but eventually it will get the job done.
 
SifuPhil said:
I have spent the better part of my life attempting to convince people that there are certain situations in which you not only sink to the level of your opponent, but below it.

Words on paper only go so far; speeches are pretty but they don't always get the job done. Only speaking the language that your opponent understands - in this case, violence - will work. It might take a while and might require a lot of pre-emptive strikes, but eventually it will get the job done.
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I am beginning to agree... I think that as this has unfolded, the majority of the Arab world is appalled by ISIS.. The Killing of the Jordanian pilot may be the final straw for many in the region.
 
QuickSilver said:
I am beginning to agree... I think that as this has unfolded, the majority of the Arab world is appalled by ISIS.. The Killing of the Jordanian pilot may be the final straw for many in the region.
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And that's exactly what it often takes - a personal experience - to change one's mind about it.

I just hope the U.S. doesn't pull their "We're here to save the day!" schtick ...
 
Yet I think that proceeding with caution is prudent. The Middle East is complicated beyond belief. Tribal history, feuds, alliances and customs drive them. While I believe the killing of the Jordanian pilot has awoken many in that area to the danger and savagery for ISIS, I still worry about how our actions will affect the situation. As much as ISIS is feared and hated... they are still part of the region. We are and always will be the Infidel.
 
Dame Warrigal said:
The woman that the Jordanians executed had already been convicted of a failed suicide bombing attempt.
In their terms the execution was justice, not revenge. They didn't burn her alive.
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In the US where one of the premises of the criminal justice system is a quick and speedy trial completing the process with an execution basically fits.

But what really comes to mind when I see these ISIS atrocities is the picture from the Vietnam War where a South Vietnamese Officer executes a Viet Cong prisoner on the spot. This is what I would do to an ISIS perpetrator if guilt was proven. And I would do it in front of other ISIS prisoners.

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q...380524F2CB5122F89601044989C45&selectedIndex=0

The actual story behind the photograph, photographer and officer here.

http://failuremag.com/feature/article/saigon_execution/

Taken in context the Viet Cong prisoner was known to killed and/or behead people himself. The photographer who knew the story spoke on the officer's behalf at a immigration/deportation hearing.
 
I read about an incident that happened one time. (Can't remember the exact details but it went something like this:)
A group had some problems with muslims; So, the group leader lined up about (say) 20 of the muslims facing a firing squad.
Then he had his men bring out a pig, slaughter the pig and slapped its blood on them. Also dipped the squads bullets in the blood
and shot (killed) all but one of them. He left one alive to relate to his buddies what had taken place.

They never had any more trouble with the muslims !
 
SifuPhil said:
"They send one of ours to the hospital, we send one of theirs to the morgue".
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The problem is ours never get to a hospital after suffering at the hands of these barbarians, so when they burn them alive , throw them off the top of buildings, chop their heads off, how can we possibly go lower?

I am all for retaliatory action, but how.. except a swift and deadly drone strike on the lot of them!!
 
The world is going to agree to send troops in to the middle east.
You can't root these people out by bombing from 35000 feet.
 
If these lunatics want to burn people alive, perhaps we should bring back Napalm and begin arming our aircraft with it, and give them a dose of their own medicine. They are clearly demonstrating their total disdain for civilized society with their beheadings, and now this burning alive...there seems to be no way to reduce their warped carnage...therefore, the goal of every nation should be to annihilate them in the quickest means possible.
 

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