Since I live in CA....this is a little troubling...Fukushima

I believe the Fukushima situation is very severe, and they are actively stopping anyone in that area from speaking out about what is really happening. Here's a bit of what was discussed on the CoasttoCoast am radio show, which often speaks of events that are swept under the rug by the media for various reasons. I love seafood, and have enjoyed some wonderful camping vacations on the Oregon Coast, we went out fishing on the big boats and loved it...but common sense tells me that the seafood will be inedible in the next couple of years. :(

Three nuclear energy experts (Scott Portzline, Arnie Gundersen, and Kevin Kamps) in separate hours, discussed the status of the nuclear disaster in Fukushima, the cover-ups of scientific data, as well as general issues about nuclear power, and nuclear waste.

Last week there was a spate of false reports about Fukushima's Unit 3 having new radiation plumes of steam coming from it, and that people living on the West Coast should prepare to evacuate, Portzline detailed. While this was a hoax, the climate of uncertainty around Fukushima has been created by the lack of truth from TEPCO (Tokyo Electric Power Company), as well as the US government, and the International Atomic Energy Agency, he commented.

"In my opinion, Fukushima is a level 8 on the international nuclear event scale, (the levels normally only go up to 7)," as there are multiple sources of radiation, and the situation requires international assistance and monitoring, Portzline continued.
Gundersen concurred on the direness of the Fukushima situation-- in contrast to Chernobyl and Three Mile Island, the "spigot" isn't turned off yet, and radiation continues to leak into the Pacific Ocean.

Fish are picking up extraordinarily high levels of radioactive materials, and Gundersen said he would not eat fish that comes from the West Coast. In Japan, "the epidemiological data that will develop over the next 30 years [will show that] somewhere between 100,000 and 1 million new cancers will develop as a result of this," but the nuclear industry can hide behind the fact that a high percentage of people get cancer anyway, he pointed out. Gunderson stressed the importance of stopping the groundwater contamination, and suggested building a trench of zeolite to absorb the radiation surrounding the plant.

Kamps cited that 72,000 gallons a day of radioactively contaminated water is flowing into the ocean, and that really adds up over nearly three years of time since the accident.

Making matters worse, Unit 4 at Fukushima could be on the brink of collapse, he added. Some countries such as Germany are phasing out nuclear power entirely after the lessons of Fukushima and Chernobyl, he said. As an alternative, wind power has a lot of potential to be tapped, and the first offshore floating wind turbines were just installed in the Gulf of Maine, which could provide as much electricity as five atomic reactors, Kamps asserted.
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I've no doubt the reports will be diminished or exaggerated according to the agenda of those reporting, but there is no doubt that tons of debris from the Japanese tsunami has washed ashore all along the west coast from California to Alaska. That debris must have followed the oceans currents and it did not go toward Vietnam.

I do believe the effect will be minimal but it certainly bears watching.
 
You just have to go beyond the TV news, and research things yourself if they're important to you...then piece things together and use common sense to come to a reasonable conclusion. I don't trust anything I read anymore, but am open-minded to hear what people are reporting.
 
SeaBreeze said:
You just have to go beyond the TV news, and research things yourself if they're important to you...then piece things together and use common sense to come to a reasonable conclusion. I don't trust anything I read anymore, but am open-minded to hear what people are reporting.
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That's it in a nutshell.

Used to be we could (or thought we could) accept media reports as gospel. Now we need to learn to research, back-check and generally keep a jaundiced eye on anything until we figure out the truth.

The media report is just the beginning ...
 
The more I read about it all the less I know and as I'm not really all that worried about one more poison to feed on I'll leave further research on hold.

That debris washing up seems to be more wind than current driven.
The debris on the US W.coast arrived there much faster than would be expected if it was carried by the current alone, that takes a lot longer.

e.g. a smallish boat which capsized but didn't sink, 18 months ago off WA has turned up on an island off Madagascar.
It's been floating just below the surface and is covered in barnacles etc so it appears to have been carried by the current there, against the prevailing winds. Had it been floating at the surface it would have blown ashore back in OZ.

Ocean currents, like wind, operate differently at different levels and take different directions. It depends on which level current the contaminated outflow settles into that determines which direction it will travel.

I can't find much recent research into, or detailed maps of currents and won't be spending the day reading scientific papers so ...

The boffins are studying and tracking it and the current map used on the interview I saw was a lot more detailed than any I can find on the 'net, and showed 'swirl' patterns emanating from the main current usually seen depicted that does eventually reach the US coast. The 'swirl' he indicated the contamination was entering turned back toward Asia.

Was that a total fabrication?? Maybe... most of the other stuff we see is too, so place your bets on your favourite theory and keep your fingers crossed.
 
Here's a Geiger counter tour of a food coop in Chapel Hill, NC. All the readings are within normal limits.


Yet the government assures us we're safe ...

[video=youtube_share;VppkLCQf4n8]http://youtu.be/VppkLCQf4n8[/video]

I feel SO much better. :(
 
'Knowingly' being the operative word.

I won't eat anything 'knowingly' that ever lived in the Mekong either but.... where'd the prawns in the fried rice come from? What and where does the stuff in fish cakes come from? The worst ones of those I ever ate came from S.Africa. God alone needs to know what was in them. But they didn't kill me, or make me sick even, just tasted disgusting.

We see 'Bassa' or similar or 'Nile Perch' labels on slabs of stuff that appears vaguely fishy but looks more like pale veiny beef and can only be some form of carp that once lived in an unnamed sewerage enhanced river in foreign parts.

What's on the label doesn't necessarily bear any factual connection with the contents these days.

If it comes down to no other options, I'd prefer to eat slightly radioactive fish than those full of cadmium and mercury and who knows what else including e-coli. Radiation build up takes longer to kill you I'm told.
 
Even with the fresh seafood we see in stores today that are "local product"......local to where???red faced wary emoticon.gif

It's a bit of a lottery.....we haven't bought fresh fish for a long while because of not knowing where it comes from....
I'm just glad that I'm not a real seafood lover anyway.....:shark:
 
But, with the exception of bottom-feeding fish and sessile (immobile) filter feeders caught in the immediate vicinity, any radionuclides from Fukushima have been diluted by the vastness of the Pacific to insignificant quantities. The extra radionuclides from Fukushima are simply not enough to create a dose large enough to cause any human health effects outside the immediate vicinity of the stricken nuclear power plant.
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That seems comforting... until the next para. which cites excess carbon dioxide and climate change as 'scientific' answers.

Nor is the radioactive contamination from Fukushima the cause of changes to Pacific sea-bottom life observed in recent years off the U.S. west coast, as the marine scientists at Deep Sea News recently noted. Those shifts most likely stem from the copious quantities of carbon dioxide spewed by fossil fuel–fired power plants that are changing the climate and, thus, the tiny plants known as phytoplankton that serve as the base of the oceanic food chain.
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Seems no matter what you read, or where you read it, they're all having a bet each way and covering their arses, and ongoing funding grants, with nods to the Climogod religion..... siiiigh. How can we take anything at face value any more?

Maybe we should just get on with living for today and keeping a peeled and beady eye instead on the that bus that is more likely to kill us than any of the more dramatised, global dooming prophecies we're are constantly being bothered with.
 
The media etc is besotted with global warming/climate change .... AND, there is hardly a scientific paper I have read that doesn't mention the words somewhere in the body, discussion or conclusion. Hence the 97% figure which John Cook arrived at by scanning the text, not the intent of the papers he examined.

Keywords: Crooks, scam, jail, anti-science, pathetic. :mad:
 
The seafood we eat mostly come from right behind our house But even so with natural levels of mercury and who knows what else we can't be sure of what's in the fish we eat.

I'll take my chances with the fish I catch though.
 
Horse meat never did the French any harm......it was the deceit that made us so angry; profiteering.
 
Diwundrin said:
I won't eat anything 'knowingly' that ever lived in the Mekong either but.... where'd the prawns in the fried rice come from? What and where does the stuff in fish cakes come from? The worst ones of those I ever ate came from S.Africa. God alone needs to know what was in them. But they didn't kill me, or make me sick even, just tasted disgusting.

We see 'Bassa' or similar or 'Nile Perch' labels on slabs of stuff that appears vaguely fishy but looks more like pale veiny beef and can only be some form of carp that once lived in an unnamed sewerage enhanced river in foreign parts.

What's on the label doesn't necessarily bear any factual connection with the contents these days.

If it comes down to no other options, I'd prefer to eat slightly radioactive fish than those full of cadmium and mercury and who knows what else including e-coli. Radiation build up takes longer to kill you I'm told.
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Well, I suppose I should indulge in some transparency here and state that the only "fish" I eat these days is canned tuna fish. I figure the worst that can happen is I get some dolphin or mercury in my tuna . :playful:

I don't mind if I start rising when it gets warm, as long as I don't glow. :cool:
 
But that is the heart of the conundrum isn't it? I tend to the opposite view..... I can't be bothered any more; and, it hasn't killed me yet.
 
There are times that I am really glad I don't like shellfish, except prawns. Now....what shall I eat tonight?
 
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