Snowden says he would agree to a plea deal!

AZ Jim said:
HIS opinion trumps the decisions of out Government when it comes to state secrets? NO WAY!!!!!! It's our problem and a few of our European allies who were and are being harmed by this traitor.
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So any chance you can tell us who's been harmed by his leaked documents? I haven't heard of any and haven't thought to look it up. If anything, the USA's relationship was harmed/embarrassed with some of it's allies when they found out that you guys were spying on your friends and business associates. I guess that would count wouldn't it? Other than that ?
 

Debby said:
I think when there is a reason to watch someone and a warrant has been issued as a result of presented proof, then watch them. But to spy on the average citizen AND those people with whom you are involved in business negotiations and/or you declare as 'friends', it changes the landscape entirely and puts the spy directly onto the slippery slope where the loss of civil liberties and rights are likely. That is to say, 'the people let them get away with it once, try for more and see if they scream'. And soon the people learn to be silent, not to question, not to step out of line.......

The question is how many of our rights are we willing to give up? And after we've given them up, if we (the people) ever decide that we've been had, and we want our rights back, what makes you think that those who've consistently lied to us to date, will dial it back and reinstate them.
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I agree Debby, right on point. I believe the NSA was put in place to monitor and decode Soviet communications, not to monitor innocent American citizens under the guise of finding the guilty. Edward Snowden wanted to call attention to the fact that the government was doing such unlawful things, and I applaud him for it. For all the sneaky and illegal snooping done by the government, there's little if any evidence that it's stopped any terrorist attacks at all.

The government needs to stop frisking every citizen in the hopes of stumbling across some plot. The 4th Amendment is supposed to protect the citizens of the United States against unreasonable search and seizures, to violate that is the sign of a traitor to our country, not what Snowden did...and that definitely all went out the window after 9/11 and the Patriot Act. You're absolutely right, when we hand over all of our rights, they will never again be reinstated.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
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BTW, everyone has the right to express their opinions and share their thoughts on these issues, not just Americans. I, for one, appreciate hearing views of others whether I agree with them or not and welcome the knowledgeable input of people outside of the United States of America.
 
SB, I agree with your take on the NSA. Sadly, the paranoia has spread to Canada, primarily due to the anti Muslim stance of our right wing envangelical Prime Minister. More than once he has attempted to ride roughshod over our constitution , only to

end up with egg on his face after challenging our supreme court. Thank you for your endorsement of the contributions of non

Americans to the site. We are not anti American, we are deeply concerned with the current struggles America is suffering, and only wish to help. Sometimes we attempt to offer a wider perspective of world events than is usually offered by mainstream media. Again, no bashing of America is intended.
 

Furriner opinions might be tolerated but not solicited. Now it is time for me to take it below and do a launch missiles drill...
 
Shalimar said:
SB, I agree with your take on the NSA. Sadly, the paranoia has spread to Canada, primarily due to the anti Muslim stance of our right wing envangelical Prime Minister. More than once he has attempted to ride roughshod over our constitution , only to

end up with egg on his face after challenging our supreme court. Thank you for your endorsement of the contributions of non

Americans to the site. We are not anti American, we are deeply concerned with the current struggles America is suffering, and only wish to help. Sometimes we attempt to offer a wider perspective of world events than is usually offered by mainstream media. Again, no bashing of America is intended.
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I know that you're not anti-American Shalimar, and I do believe that many in Canada are concerned with the struggles here. I have opinions about Canada also, I like the healthcare system you have, but don't care for the strict gun laws. Funny how some Americans are all for the constitution when it when it suits them, but they're willing to lie down and have their privacy invaded, giving up their rights to unwarranted searches/seizures. As Debby said, it changes the whole landscape...might as well just jump into communism, IMO....that's where this is leading. Whistleblowers like Snowden should make citizens aware, and keep the government in check.
 
Which brings us back to the original Constitutional question... When did a "well regulated militia" get translated into an "well armed and Unregulated populace"....

But I digress..


Snowden is a traitor... he broke the law... he needs to go to prison... period. OR he needs to stay in Russia... which IMO is probably one and the same for him.. or he wouldn't be wanting to come back. Guess he's tired of their hospitality...
 
Thanks Quicksilver, I respect your right to your opinion and have no desire to change it at all, no problem with agreeing to disagree...peace. :)
 
I cannot understand anyone excusing a citizen for betraying his country. Snowden may have (damage still largely unknown) been responsible for who knows what loss of life or potential damage to his own country. He is a worm, a filthy traitor and should be dealt with as such.
 
I beg to disagree. He exposed government spying on private citizens at the risk of his own life. If THEY had known he was going public, he would have had an unfortunate fatal accident.
 
Ralphy1 said:
He wants life in prison off the table in any deal but that is the usual punishment for his type of crime. How much time to serve would you offer him other than life?
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Banishment to Siberia, hanging, removal to a concentration camp--which one will it be?
Were his revelations proved correct, or not?
Last night's LATELINE (ABC Australia) again demonstrated in detail how pervasive overall surveillance has become- frightening-every thought, idea, is consumed and digested by controlling surveillance!!!
 
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There's a right way and a wrong way to achieve objectives. The route that Snowden took makes him a traitor.

Having an adult son close to Snowden's age, I feel a father's sorrow over a young man throwing away his future.

There are many ways a person can fulfill their idealistic goals, without running afoul of a nation's laws and security concerns.
 
Perhaps he will go awry in Russia and be sent to a gulag, a fitting punishment...
 
No, but they may get tired of him living sort of laviously and can trump some charge to send off to freeze and ear gruel...
 
Shirley said:
I beg to disagree. He exposed government spying on private citizens at the risk of his own life. If THEY had known he was going public, he would have had an unfortunate fatal accident.
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I agree Shirley, fatal "accident" or something else, he wouldn't have fared well. He handled it the best way he could, and many people are glad he spoke out.

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