Snowden says he would agree to a plea deal!

AZ Jim said:
SB, You can quote anything you want but it won't change my mind one iota.
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I'm not looking to change your mind Jim, you're entitled to your own opinion and I don't push anybody to change their views. There are many other people who hold my views on Edward Snowden, so I'm hardly alone.
 

Pollard

AZ Jim said:
I cannot understand anyone excusing a citizen for betraying his country. Snowden may have (damage still largely unknown) been responsible for who knows what loss of life or potential damage to his own country. He is a worm, a filthy traitor and should be dealt with as such.
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The government has apparently excused Jonathon Pollard who sold more specific secrets directly to another country. Snowden revealed/confirmed the existence of data mining programs. Anyone who pays attention to technology or just observes what technology can do shouldn't have a hard time assuming the government would not use that technology times 10 legally or illegally but also have the Cadallic plan when it comes to tech.

http://gosporttimes.com/2015/11/30/jonathan-pollard-convicted-spy-for-israel-released-from/
 

QuickSilver said:
Not everyone CARES about having surveillance.... or feels any FREEDOM is compromised by it ladies... I prefer that terror plots are caught and stopped much more than I care if DHS knows when I have a dentist appointment.. It's the world we live in. Get over it... The enemy is not fighting a traditional war... our defense has to be different too.
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Europe has HAD much more comprehensive surveillance programs and one country had three attacks in less than one year. All that data has to properly and routinely analyzed. True the enemy is not fighting a traditional war which also means "traditional" cold war spy techniques including the use of technology might not work either. This is not an enemy with a uniform and set location like in the cold war. And contrary to popular belief they are/were smart enough to fool or elude many of those techniques.
 
WhatInThe said:
Europe has HAD much more comprehensive surveillance programs and one country had three attacks in less than one year. All that data has to properly and routinely be analyzed. True the enemy is not fighting a traditional war which also means "traditional" cold war spy techniques including the use of technology might not work either. This is not an enemy with a uniform and set location like in the cold war. And contrary to popular belief they are/were smart enough to fool or elude many of those techniques.
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Well then... since they are too smart for us and elude the surveillance techniques anyway..... why bother then.. Just let them talk amongst themselves.
 
AZ Jim said:
Sid, you have much to consider. In this day and age much harm can be done to the entire country and our allies by a person who through his employment has the ability to gain access to information that is classified as secret by revealing it to others. How can a person take it upon themselves knowing nothing of the reasons behind the classification of said information or the harm it can do to others reveal this to potential enemies? Anyone who agrees with you or Snowden needs to learn why state secrets must be kept sacred. I won't even attempt to bring logic to you as it results from our killing those who behead innocents compared to the accidental killing of innocents in bombing. Study WW2 and find out what civilian death from bombing is all about. War is not a game of precision. It is you Sid who fails to see what's happening.
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Do you think, that's what those family's think or feel about their families being killed ? Do you think they care that we 'say' that it was an accident or that we didn't mean to do it ?

The question has been asked many times and it's a valid one. How would Americans feel if say Iranian drones killed somebody [they] claim is a legitimate target in oh...Austin ? How would the American people feel about anyone killed in that attack, especially say, a wedding party, a funeral procession ?

What Snowden disclosed was not a real state secret. What he disclosed was that the US govt. had secretly taken upon itself, the power to electronically search anyone, anytime, anywhere in the world in conducting a war (undeclared) and in fact, only in the abstract. Such power was only secret because has been determined by the courts now...was unconstitutional. Snowden has put no solders or operation personnel in danger.

Since 2011, the govt. before the American people and in congressional testimony, has continually lied straight through their teeth. In fact it was those very lies that inspired Snowden in the first place. Is this why the US fought in WWII ? I don't think so.
 
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Benjamin Franklin

How quickly we forget. Oh and BTW, for those who say, "Well if you have nothing to hide.....?" Ok, then, everybody shut up and I mean EVERYBODY SHUT UP !! The people, the press and everybody on the Internet will now just...shut up !!

I mean after all, if you have 'nothing' to say.....well, then you won't mind not having a right to free speech...right ?
 
What Snowden disclosed was not a real state secret
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He did disclose secret material, it wasn't up to him nor is it up to you to decide it should be released. Much damage can be done by taking into your own hands the classified material of your country. Snowden, a subcontracted employee had no right to make the information he obtained public.
 
I stand with Ben Franklin on this one. Also, it is our solemn duty to police our gov'ts when they continuously abrogate our rights in the name of some mythical security. That cat won't hunt in this instance. Govts always punish whistleblowers--

security is a blind. What it is truly about is an abuse of power. Transparency is frowned on ---the hoi polloi are too stupid to know what's good for them/us dontcha know? Let the good ole boys/mandarins take care of you......Not!
 
I keep hearing more focus on the internet etc. in lieu of the California terrorist attack. And if we would've had NSA data mining it might of prevented it. WRONG. For starters I think the NSA data mining program just stopped or was supposed to shut down over the last week or two which in theory the NSA already had YEARS of data on the California killers. To top it off they're pretty sure they were in contact with known terror suspects so how come the known terror suspect's didn't have their calls/callers scrutinized.

Even if one has collected data there has to be a red flag in that data to trip a more aggressive investigation. They said this women terrorist presented no flags to this point. Same for the male.

And anyone who doesn't think this type of program will come back on them in someway is wrong because it already has. The DEA has been found to be using,feeding or manipulating intelligence data for criminal investigations. One is supposed to able to face their accuser and there be probable cause to be investigated- subverted & disguised data is neither.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-dea-sod-idUSBRE97409R20130805

Not only might there be a criminal investigation there's been more than one raid or warrant serving that has gone awry for the suspect and innocents.

Point being for the most part Snowden is a whistle blower because these programs go beyond information on the enemies of the country.
 

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