Some new observations and thoughts about electric vehicles.

squatting dog

squatting dog

We don't have as far to go, as we've already been
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Sometimes, in the evening, I watch a few you tube videos of idiot drivers. Most entertaining, but then, I started thinking, what happens when there is a huge bunch of EV's on the road? We're still going to have idiots driving, (that will never go away), and that thought scares me because every accident they're in becomes a hazmat deal. Just look at how an EV burns and imagine them out on the highway everyday. Even minor fender benders have the possibility of short circuit and fire.
Then I got to thinking about the recent hurricane and all the flooding down here. Wonder how many EV's would short out and burn. Heck, Tesla has already admitted it has a problem with extreme wet weather affecting the electrical systems.
Gotta say, I'm not real keen on the idea of all those electrical time bombs on the road at once.
 

squatting dog said:
Sometimes, in the evening, I watch a few you tube videos of idiot drivers. Most entertaining, but then, I started thinking, what happens when there is a huge bunch of EV's on the road? We're still going to have idiots driving, (that will never go away), and that thought scares me because every accident they're in becomes a hazmat deal. Just look at how an EV burns and imagine them out on the highway everyday. Even minor fender benders have the possibility of short circuit and fire.
Then I got to thinking about the recent hurricane and all the flooding down here. Wonder how many EV's would short out and burn. Heck, Tesla has already admitted it has a problem with extreme wet weather affecting the electrical systems.
Gotta say, I'm not real keen on the idea of all those electrical time bombs on the road at once.
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Relax self driven no human operator behind the wheel is being worked on now. Future will make it possible for humans not be blamed, it will be those idiot IT driven vehicles.
 
Not to mention the stranded electric vehicles that ran out of power on a bridge or highway. Not like you can bring a small replacement battery to allow you to travel a few miles to your home or a charging location. Unlike being able to get a gallon of gas from a nearby station and get moving again! Pardon me, but I can not understand why anyone would even consider an electric vehicle - given all the issues with electric vehicles. Guess what? Life WILL NOT CEASE TO EXIST, if we continue to use fossil fuels. You have been lied to, conned and manipulated by the Green Guys - WAKE UP WORLD!!!!!
 

I think we will have to wait until there are more driverless cars on the road, so we can make comparisons statistically. When problems arise, it may be easier to correct them with driverless cars than sending unteachable idiots to driver's training.
 
squatting dog said:
Sometimes, in the evening, I watch a few you tube videos of idiot drivers. Most entertaining, but then, I started thinking, what happens when there is a huge bunch of EV's on the road? We're still going to have idiots driving, (that will never go away), and that thought scares me because every accident they're in becomes a hazmat deal. Just look at how an EV burns and imagine them out on the highway everyday. Even minor fender benders have the possibility of short circuit and fire.
Then I got to thinking about the recent hurricane and all the flooding down here. Wonder how many EV's would short out and burn. Heck, Tesla has already admitted it has a problem with extreme wet weather affecting the electrical systems.
Gotta say, I'm not real keen on the idea of all those electrical time bombs on the road at once.
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These EV cars and trucks are the latest hoax. What happens when the battery needs replacing- most would not be able to buy a new one as they are too expensive! The old batteries would lay in the landfills for hundreds of years with the worse pollution imaginable. The battery contents are highly toxic. Where the battery components come from is another issue. JUST AWFUL. And just follow the money- who stands to make the most money? What’s the real agenda here? You better believe that there IS an agenda.
 
Electric vehicles are taking over the world and there is simply no way that you, I, or anyone can prevent that from happening. Internal combustion piston driven engines and transmissions are simply too expensive to manufacture, too archaic to service and maintain. In another generation or two, these will be simply museum pieces, laughed at and ridiculed by children yet to be born.
 
Chet said:
Electric vehicles will lead to cleaner air at the point of use, but not where and how it takes to create the vehicle. Out of sight out of mind?
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Good point. The infrastructure that will be needed to make it possible to "refuel" & build will still take resources that come out of the ground.
 
Until the technology for EV's is improved, they will have no chance of becoming a preferred choice by Americans. They need better batteries allowing them to last longer to travel further and charge up quickly. They will need a form of battery that will not create a terrible environmental disaster when the batteries are worn out. The cost of the cars and batteries will have to come down substantially. Ect., etc., etc...
 
Timewise 60+ said:
Until the technology for EV's is improved, they will have no chance of becoming a preferred choice by Americans. They need better batteries allowing them to last longer to travel further and charge up quickly. They will need a form of battery that will not create a terrible environmental disaster when the batteries are worn out. The cost of the cars and batteries will have to come down substantially. Ect., etc., etc...
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It simply wont matter whether electric vehicles become a 'preferred' choice by Americans. Soon the only alternative to EV transportation will be walking or bicycle.
 
Americans are told to simply purchase EV’s to offset the increasing costs of oil and to “SAVE THE ENVIRONMENT!”, yet the energy that powers EV’s is produced with coal by a metric of 85%, give or take. So “green power”??
Nope. It takes boat-loads of fossil fuels to power EV’s. Build them, too.

Not to mention it takes approx. 500,000 tons of MotherEarth and excavated precious metals to produce a single 1000lb EV battery.

Environmental Marxists are parody’s of themselves, and they need the average citizen to be as daft, uninformed and brainwashed as they obviously believe we are.
 
sch404 said:
Electric vehicles are taking over the world and there is simply no way that you, I, or anyone can prevent that from happening. Internal combustion piston driven engines and transmissions are simply too expensive to manufacture, too archaic to service and maintain. In another generation or two, these will be simply museum pieces, laughed at and ridiculed by children yet to be born.
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Amen! If I’m around long enough my next car will be a Level 4 or 5 electric. Like it or not (and in this case I like it) the world is changing.
 
I think that electric vehicles have come and will go, just like the solar panels that were put on houses a long time ago. The craze some forty years ago was to lower utility bills but did not do so. If I had an electric car, I would only drive it on fair days, within a range of no more than fifty miles away. On cold miserable days or to drive far away, I would still want my gas car to take me that way.
 
There's a huge amount of issues that will need to be resolved before EV's can totally replace gas/diesel vehicles. Starting in about 12 to 15 years, many of the manufacturers have committed to only making EV's....it will be interesting to see how that works out. Personally, I'll be too old to drive by then....if I'm still around....but I suspect that a full transition to EV's will take decades, and be a real PITA.
 
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Those guys are morons. A battery can't be "rebooted" and you don't "start" an EV; you simply turn it on or off.

What they've encountered is a software bug and possibly a flaw in the design, but that's not the fault of the technology; it's the fault of the engineers.

Just like what I'm experiencing while typing on my phone right now. The text isn't flowing properly and half the time, I can't see what I'm typing. It's not a flaw in the technology. It's a bug in the software.
 
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One needs to understand a large part of the American economy and especially jobs is related to fossil fuel automobiles. Also large numbers of people are huge fans of vehicles and that part of our current Western lifestyle. The development of EV's threatens that, so it scares a lot of people. One can tell when a person is from that camp by the way they will criticize our slow migration from fossil fuels to electric vehicles. Instead of posting arguments from a balanced perspective of what will eventually be the case, they argue solely from where things stand now conveniently leaving out any mention of what is slowly being developed. That includes equipment and infrastructure costs and especially expanding sources of clean energy that will be needed to support it. The later is an especially difficult situation because it involves sacrifice of current lower competitive costs in a world where it just takes one independent country that refuses to give up burning fossil fuels in order to reap competitive advantages.
 
One of the problems with EV's is that the owners aren't subjected to the Gasoline Taxes....which are the main source of funds for building and maintaining our roads. These EV's cause just as much "wear and tear" on the pavements as fossil fuel vehicles do..

I would like to see the gas taxes eliminated, and instead, a "Miles Driven" tax implemented. A vehicles annual mileage could be easily verified, and the owner taxed accordingly....and fairly, for everyone.
 
I keep seeing Ford touting it's electric F-150 truck. As a person who uses a truck for towing, I found this test eye opening to say the least. Yeah, someday, there may be enough charging stations, and yeah, someday there will be better batteries, and maybe even enough electrical power plants to generate the needed electricity. But, today... in the real world, it just ain't practical.
The test................

The contestants were an electrified Ford F150 pickup vs. a GMC Denali Ultimate Edition with a 6.2-liter V-8 gas engine. Each towed an identical new “toy hauler” trailer about 25 feet in length that, while empty, was large enough to transport an entirely-sheltered automobile. The vehicles began their test in Longmont, Colorado, heading southbound on Interstate 25 toward Denver, about 33 miles away. The F150 charged up and the GMC filled up before taking to the road. The electric truck’s computer estimated 160 miles of range, which included calculating for the size and weight of the trailer. The gas-powered GMC’s computer, also taking the trailer into account, estimated 264 miles of range.

Off they went, with the goal of the F150 getting 147 miles down the road to a fast-charging station in Pueblo, Colorado. But that estimate was optimistic. The electric truck had only traveled 6 miles when the computer recalculated range from 160 to 150 miles, cutting things very close if it was to reach Pueblo. That called for a change of plans — the new charging stop was Colorado Springs, about 45 miles closer. After going 50 miles, the electric truck recalculated its range to indicate it couldn’t even make Colorado Springs. South of Denver, the truck was down to a 20 percent battery charge and, concerned about being stranded with a dead battery, the driver had to turn around and drive the F150 back north to the Denver exurb of Castle Rock to find a fast charger.

With low battery warnings blazing, and power automatically reduced to 90 percent, the electric truck, with 9 percent left on its battery, hobbled into a Target parking lot in Castle Rock. But that caused another problem. Battery chargers tend to be lined in rows on the edge of parking lots. Because they do not provide a drive-through like a traditional gas pump, they cannot accommodate a vehicle with a trailer. As a result, the F150 test vehicle and trailer were blocking a major portion of Target’s parking lot. “They’re probably not
going to sponsor us in the future,” quipped one of the test participants. The gas truck? Its computer showed 129 miles of remaining range, so that driver had enough range to return to their starting point in Longmont. Then came an analysis of costs, which favored the electric vehicle.

In the end, the GMC, after returning to Longmont, traveled 156 miles and used 17.3 gallons of premium gasoline, costing $93.79. That comes to 60.1 cents per mile energy costs. And it still had 65 miles of range remaining. At Castle Rock, the electric F150, after 45 minutes, was charged 74 percent; it was not fully charged due to time limits in needing to return the trailer at a point halfway back to Longmont. Cost of the 74 percent charge was $27. At $27 for 74 percent of a charge, the electric F150 would have been fully charged at about $36.49. Subtract its remaining 9 percent charge valued at about $3.28 and its total energy cost was about $33.21. As a result, its 86-mile trip cost 38.6 cents per mile.

So the electric truck had the energy cost advantage... unless of course you count the fact that it never made the trip. :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
Can't even imagine how far you wouldn't get if you loaded the trailer. Also, seems like nobody ever looks at the fact that charging stations aren't free.
 
I'm all in favor of progress but I'm not happy with places (rest stops and libraries) that now have the best parking spots reserved for energy efficient cars. I'm not sure if that means just EV or what, so I park farther away.
 
HoneyNut said:
I'm all in favor of progress but I'm not happy with places (rest stops and libraries) that now have the best parking spots reserved for energy efficient cars. I'm not sure if that means just EV or what, so I park farther away.
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Just get yourself one of them there green vehicles... problem solved. :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:




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Aprilbday12 said:
These EV cars and trucks are the latest hoax. What happens when the battery needs replacing- most would not be able to buy a new one as they are too expensive! The old batteries would lay in the landfills for hundreds of years with the worse pollution imaginable. The battery contents are highly toxic. Where the battery components come from is another issue. JUST AWFUL. And just follow the money- who stands to make the most money? What’s the real agenda here? You better believe that there IS an agenda.
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Sounds like you have some idea as to the "what" and "who" of what you're certain of is an agenda.....care to elaborate?
 
All major change takes time, and has to start somewhere. At the rate that tech is moving I'm guessing within 10-15 years most of the issues with electric vehicles will have been solved, and hopefully fusion reactors will be producing cheap, safe, and reliable power. Time, and progress stand still for no one. I love my gas powered vehicles, but we need to embrace change. All of the arguments we hear about electric were also made in defense of the horse, and we know how that worked out.
 
squatting dog said:
Americans are told to simply purchase EV’s to offset the increasing costs of oil and to “SAVE THE ENVIRONMENT!”, yet the energy that powers EV’s is produced with coal by a metric of 85%, give or take. So “green power”??
Nope. It takes boat-loads of fossil fuels to power EV’s. Build them, too.

Not to mention it takes approx. 500,000 tons of MotherEarth and excavated precious metals to produce a single 1000lb EV battery.

Environmental Marxists are parody’s of themselves, and they need the average citizen to be as daft, uninformed and brainwashed as they obviously believe we are.
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That's an interesting term, did you coin "Environmental Marxists" or pick that up from a media source?
 
Geezer Garage said:
All major change takes time, and has to start somewhere. At the rate that tech is moving I'm guessing within 10-15 years most of the issues with electric vehicles will have been solved, and hopefully fusion reactors will be producing cheap, safe, and reliable power. Time, and progress stand still for no one. I love my gas powered vehicles, but we need to embrace change. All of the arguments we hear about electric were also made in defense of the horse, and we know how that worked out.
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Yes, and what I also remember is we didn't eliminate horses like some want to do with gas powered vehicles.

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