Some parents trying to rationalize drug use legal or illegal.

I haven't ever thought that marijuana is the innocent drug that many like to believe. Marijuana is a psychoactive drug & has bad effects for the users, but the people who are making money by the legalization don't want that known.

The human brain continues to develop until the age of 25. Issues from early use includes cognitive problems, reduced coordintion/reaction time, relationship issues, poor judgement, school/work performance issues along with increased risk of depression, anxiety, suicidal thoughts or even psychotic breakdowns. How many under 25 are using it thinking it's not doing any harm to them until they it's too late & the problems they have won't go away?

I wonder if the original plant even exists today since there has been so much genetic modification to enhance it for high THC content.

Anyway, if smoking cigarettes is bad for you & the second hand smoke from those is bad as well for everyone else around you, why would marijuana be any different.

Comparing weed to alcohol is like comparing apples to oranges, IMO. However, there is no excuse to drink to the point that you are unable to care for your kids either.

For anyone interested, the book Tell Your Children by Alex Berenson is a good read.

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Lilac said:
I haven't ever thought that marijuana is the innocent drug that many like to believe. Marijuana is a psychoactive drug & has bad effects for the users, but the people who are making money by the legalization don't want that known.

The human brain continues to develop until the age of 25. Issues from early use includes cognitive problems, reduced coordintion/reaction time, relationship issues, poor judgement, school/work performance issues along with increased risk of depression, anxiety, suicidal thoughts or even psychotic breakdowns. How many under 25 are using it thinking it's not doing any harm to them until they it's too late & the problems they have won't go away?

I wonder if the original plant even exists today since there has been so much genetic modification to enhance it for high THC content.

Anyway, if smoking cigarettes is bad for you & the second hand smoke from those is bad as well for everyone else around you, why would marijuana be any different.

Comparing weed to alcohol is like comparing apples to oranges, IMO. However, there is no excuse to drink to the point that you are unable to care for your kids either.

For anyone interested, the book Tell Your Children by Alex Berenson is a good read.

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Excellent post...I absolutely agree, Lilac...
 
You can drink and not be an alcoholic. You can use drugs and not be an addict. And you can use either and be pretty darn clear headed. And you can use a doctors prescription and become addicted. And we can be prescribed a number of medications that can arguably affect mentation. Look in your medicine cabinet.
 

hollydolly said:
you know coca cola is not brain altering nor is coffee or tea...... ...but taking an illegal substance which IS brain altering while you're in charge of children.. is beyond any reasoning...

I'm surprised and disappointed at you David
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Caffeine is very much a brain altering psychoactive drug, the most favorite of we modern humans. Does that mean there is something ethically or morally inherently wrong with consuming beverages with caffeine? Not as I view such. Nor in the interest in freedom if it does not negatively affect society, are most of those occasionally consuming SOME illegal substances even though this person may not. And then again, I would ban and label SOME illegal psychoactive substances as strong negatives to society. As noted, the subject is not rigid black and white as some government and commercial interests with agendas have hypocritically forced on society during our lifetimes.
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Google:

Definition of psychoactive:
A psychoactive substance is any chemical that alters perception, mood, or behavior by interacting with the brain's neurotransmitters.

Caffeine's effects:
Caffeine works by blocking adenosine receptors in the brain, leading to increased neuronal activity which manifests as heightened alertness and energy.
Widely consumed: Caffeine is the most commonly consumed psychoactive substance globally, found in coffee, tea, soda, and many other beverages. Stimulant properties: It is classified as a central nervous system stimulant.

Caffeine - Wikipedia
Caffeine is a central nervous system (CNS) stimulant of the methylxanthine class and is the most commonly consumed psychoactive substance globally. It is mainly used for its eugeroic (wakefulness promoting), ergogenic (physical performance-enhancing), or nootropic (cognitive-enhancing) properties.
Caffeine's effects:
Caffeine works by blocking adenosine receptors in the brain, leading to increased neuronal activity which manifests as heightened alertness and energy.
Widely consumed: Caffeine is the most commonly consumed psychoactive substance globally, found in coffee, tea, soda, and many other beverages. Stimulant properties: It is classified as a central nervous system stimulant.

Caffeine - Wikipedia
Caffeine is a central nervous system (CNS) stimulant of the methylxanthine class and is the most commonly consumed psychoactive substance globally. It is mainly used for its eugeroic (wakefulness promoting), ergogenic (physical performance-enhancing), or nootropic (cognitive-enhancing) properties.
 
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David777 said:
Caffeine is very much a brain altering psychoactive drug, the most favorite of we modern humans. Does that mean there is something ethically or morally inherently wrong with consuming beverages with caffeine? Not as I view such. Nor in the interest in freedom if it does not negatively affect society, are most of those occasionally consuming SOME illegal substances even though this person may not. And then again, I would ban and label SOME illegal psychoactive substances as strong negatives to society. As noted, the subject is not rigid black and white as some government and commercial interests with agendas have hypocritically forced on society during our lifetimes.
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Google:

Definition of psychoactive:
A psychoactive substance is any chemical that alters perception, mood, or behavior by interacting with the brain's neurotransmitters.

Caffeine's effects:
Caffeine works by blocking adenosine receptors in the brain, leading to increased neuronal activity which manifests as heightened alertness and energy.
Widely consumed: Caffeine is the most commonly consumed psychoactive substance globally, found in coffee, tea, soda, and many other beverages. Stimulant properties: It is classified as a central nervous system stimulant.

Caffeine - Wikipedia
Caffeine is a central nervous system (CNS) stimulant of the methylxanthine class and is the most commonly consumed psychoactive substance globally. It is mainly used for its eugeroic (wakefulness promoting), ergogenic (physical performance-enhancing), or nootropic (cognitive-enhancing) properties.
Caffeine's effects:
Caffeine works by blocking adenosine receptors in the brain, leading to increased neuronal activity which manifests as heightened alertness and energy.
Widely consumed: Caffeine is the most commonly consumed psychoactive substance globally, found in coffee, tea, soda, and many other beverages. Stimulant properties: It is classified as a central nervous system stimulant.

Caffeine - Wikipedia
Caffeine is a central nervous system (CNS) stimulant of the methylxanthine class and is the most commonly consumed psychoactive substance globally. It is mainly used for its eugeroic (wakefulness promoting), ergogenic (physical performance-enhancing), or nootropic (cognitive-enhancing) properties.
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yep so dangerous it's illegal..so dangeorus you know of many people who have been arrested for driving under the influence of caffeine ..so dangerous you've read about people committing murder while high on Caffeine...*sheesh* talk about pedancy !
 
The reason for my post was not because I think caffeine, an already legal drug ought be government regulated or is dangerous for most people but rather because those who condemn use of some illegal substances hypocritically use the same term "drug" broadly negatively while ignoring they do the same with caffeine, medicines, and alcohol, that are very much also brain psychoactive drugs.

Something my youth Counterculture generation greatly had and still has non-science based, unfair issues with, that negatively affected many of our lives including those sent to prison for IMO trivial reasons. Instead our supermarkets have vast isles filled with alcoholic beverages that despite some obvious horrible issues, are still allowed due to historic momentum by society. That is fine with this person who prefers individual freedoms, however they were also intent on unfairly suppressing others much lesser negative substance choices just because they HATED US, who criticized them and chose to reject their dominant culture.
 
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David777 said:
The reason for my post was not because I think caffeine, an already legal drug ought be government regulated or is dangerous for most people but rather because those who condemn use of some illegal substances hypocritically use the same term "drug" broadly negatively while ignoring they do the same with caffeine, medicines, and alcohol, that are very much also brain psychoactive drugs.

Something my youth Counterculture generation greatly had and still has non-science based, unfair issues with, that negatively affected many of our lives including those sent to prison for IMO trivial reasons. Instead our supermarkets have vast isles filled with alcoholic beverages that despite some obvious horrible issues, are still allowed due to historic momentum by society. That is fine with this person who prefers individual freedoms, however they were also intent on unfairly suppressing others much lesser negative substance choices just because they HATED US, who criticized them and chose to reject their dominant culture.
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:unsure: 🤨 ??? 🙄
 
I've posted before that I cannot touch alcohol anymore or I would be trapped into a vicious cycle of abuse, since that's in my history. For people who can take alcohol or leave it - or have just a "drink or 2," it may be a "matter of degree," as some have posted but for some like me, it has to be zero degree.

Weed did nothing for me except make me sleepy and disinterested when I tried it many times years ago. A real downer. Someone suggested I got "bad stuff." No. I was in the company of others who were using the same "stuff," and seemed to be having the time of their lives, while all I wanted to do was go to bed (alone) and sleep.

As for caffeine: I can't stand the taste of coffee, but for over 40 years - maybe longer - before going to bed, I have put a glass of water and a 200 mg tablet of caffeine on the nightstand beside my bed, and I take it when the alarm goes off. Within 7-9 minutes, I am wide awake and clear headed; ready to start the day. I have tried skipping that ritual and didn't like how I felt, struggling to wake up, and unable to think for the first couple of hours after starting my day.

Since after 40 years I have experienced no adverse effects that I'm aware of, then I do not care what medical studies show, regardless of how credible they may be.
 
In the excellent biography on Ernest Hemingway by Kenneth S. Lynn it is written that he gave his son at age 12 a water glass(!) full of whiskey and commanded him to empty it completely in one draught. Anything wrong with it? I doubt it. It's the best action to keep a child from becoming an alcoholic.

My parents smoked cigaretts but didn't drink too much alcohol. I was not forbidden to try smoking. I tried it, but didn't like it. And I drink (only) beer socially. No strong stuff. Hey I am living in Bavaria :ROFLMAO:
 
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@hollydolly …because some laws are punitive and silly. Prior to 2003 when Bowers vs Hardwick was overturned a state could determine the legality of certain sexual positions and practices. Look up weird sex laws. It is silly for a state to declare that you can only have sex in a missionary position. Right? Some laws get broken because people think the law should not exist.
 
George1959 said:
In the excellent biography on Ernest Hemingway by Kenneth S. Lynn it is written that he gave his son at age 12 a water glass(!) full of whiskey and commanded him to empty it completely in one draught. Anything wrong with it? I doubt it. It's the best action to keep a child from becoming an alcoholic.
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my father caught his blue eyed daughter.. my younger sister.. ( he was evil to the rest of us but not ever to her )... but one evening he was walking past a group of teens standing in the street , and saw my sister smoking.., now bear in mind both he and my mother smoked a pack a day...

from what I was told by my sister and her friends, he grabbed her by the hair, and literally dragged her back home.. and immediately made her smoke 10 cigarettes one after the other until she vomiited for hours...


It never stopped her, she continued smoking , and now at the age of 67 she has lung cancer.. and still she smokes...
 
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@hollydolly …because some laws are punitive and silly. Prior to 2003 when Bowers vs Hardwick was overturned a state could determine the legality of certain sexual positions and practices. Look up weird sex laws. It is silly for a state to declare that you can only have sex in a missionary position. Right? Some laws get broken because people think the law should not exist.
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those laws don't exist here.. and even if they did, they're not mind altering..and children or road users would not be affected by the people doing it...
 
hollydolly said:
my father caught his blue eyed daughter.. my younger siter.. ( he was evil to the rest of us but not ever to her )... but one evening he was walking past a group of teens standing in the street , and saw my sister smoking.., now bear in mind both he and my mother smoked a pack a day...

from what I was told by my sister and her friends, he grabbed her by the hair, and literally dragged her back home.. and immediately made her smoke 10 cigarettes one after the other until she vomiited for hours...


It never stopped her, she continued smoking , and now at the age of 67 she has lung cancer.. and still she smokes...
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Holly, this is a sad story. But I don't think that your father's action was the reason of this outcome. In some people such a drastic action works, in others it doesn't work. I think that some kind of body chemistry and/or genetics is responsible if people become smokers or alcoholics. In my case nothing happened, although I tried several packages of cigarettes in my teens and drank beer. Others may be much more susceptible.
 
George1959 said:
Holly, this is a sad story. But I don't think that your father's action was the reason of this outcome. In some people such a drastic action works, in others it doesn't work. I think that some kind of body chemistry and/or genetics is responsible if people become smokers or alcoholics. In my case nothing happened, although I tried several packages of cigarettes in my teens and drank beer. Others may be much more susceptible.
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No I'm not saying his action was the reason she continued to smoke, she probably would have anyway.. she has a bit of an addictive personality...even when were in our 20's she would sit in front of the tv in the evenings with a straw in a bottle of Vodka...
 
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David777 said:
Caffeine is very much a brain altering psychoactive drug, the most favorite of we modern humans. Does that mean there is something ethically or morally inherently wrong with consuming beverages with caffeine? Not as I view such. Nor in the interest in freedom if it does not negatively affect society, are most of those occasionally consuming SOME illegal substances even though this person may not. And then again, I would ban and label SOME illegal psychoactive substances as strong negatives to society. As noted, the subject is not rigid black and white as some government and commercial interests with agendas have hypocritically forced on society during our lifetimes.
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Google:

Definition of psychoactive:
A psychoactive substance is any chemical that alters perception, mood, or behavior by interacting with the brain's neurotransmitters.

Caffeine's effects:
Caffeine works by blocking adenosine receptors in the brain, leading to increased neuronal activity which manifests as heightened alertness and energy.
Widely consumed: Caffeine is the most commonly consumed psychoactive substance globally, found in coffee, tea, soda, and many other beverages. Stimulant properties: It is classified as a central nervous system stimulant.

Caffeine - Wikipedia
Caffeine is a central nervous system (CNS) stimulant of the methylxanthine class and is the most commonly consumed psychoactive substance globally. It is mainly used for its eugeroic (wakefulness promoting), ergogenic (physical performance-enhancing), or nootropic (cognitive-enhancing) properties.
Caffeine's effects:
Caffeine works by blocking adenosine receptors in the brain, leading to increased neuronal activity which manifests as heightened alertness and energy.
Widely consumed: Caffeine is the most commonly consumed psychoactive substance globally, found in coffee, tea, soda, and many other beverages. Stimulant properties: It is classified as a central nervous system stimulant.

Caffeine - Wikipedia
Caffeine is a central nervous system (CNS) stimulant of the methylxanthine class and is the most commonly consumed psychoactive substance globally. It is mainly used for its eugeroic (wakefulness promoting), ergogenic (physical performance-enhancing), or nootropic (cognitive-enhancing) properties.
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It is well known that spiders can't construct webs under caffeine. But humans are not spiders. I never drank coffee until my early 50s. Now I have to catch up a lot :ROFLMAO: Am I a coffee addict? Surely!
 
Lilac said:
I haven't ever thought that marijuana is the innocent drug that many like to believe. Marijuana is a psychoactive drug & has bad effects for the users, but the people who are making money by the legalization don't want that known.

The human brain continues to develop until the age of 25. Issues from early use includes cognitive problems, reduced coordintion/reaction time, relationship issues, poor judgement, school/work performance issues along with increased risk of depression, anxiety, suicidal thoughts or even psychotic breakdowns. How many under 25 are using it thinking it's not doing any harm to them until they it's too late & the problems they have won't go away?

I wonder if the original plant even exists today since there has been so much genetic modification to enhance it for high THC content.

Anyway, if smoking cigarettes is bad for you & the second hand smoke from those is bad as well for everyone else around you, why would marijuana be any different.

Comparing weed to alcohol is like comparing apples to oranges, IMO. However, there is no excuse to drink to the point that you are unable to care for your kids either.

For anyone interested, the book Tell Your Children by Alex Berenson is a good read.

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I never have smoked pot. I was hostile against the new German law that allows marijuana under certain circumstances (I don't mean medical use but social use). But after a comment in a German forum I was given an answer of a lifelong marijuana smoker at my age, that it is not harmful. As I asked him, if I should try it, he answered, better not.
 
George1959 said:
It is well known that spiders can't construct webs under caffeine. But humans are not spiders. I never drank coffee until my early 50s. Now I have to catch up a lot :ROFLMAO: Am I a coffee addict? Surely!
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Lol that was good because though bit hyper I now need coffee to get going and gives me a few hours that things I do not like to do like cleaning I need to get done , I never drank even a beer when younger and that includes Army and never smoked pot even as a Hippie which many find hard to believe .

Actually plenty of pot smoking via M-16 barrel using mesh in Army also in my day so not just Hippies .


After divorced and moving here I realized eventually I would have to clean but how does a chauvinistic man set in his ways get himself to accept such a fate and the answer was caffeine , never looked back , no regrets drinking it .

My hobby is fish and have several fish tanks but water changes I enjoy however vacuuming , moping I loathe .
 

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