Some see Mangione as a hero?

HermitHogan said:
The difference in that scenario is, tabacco is purely a luxury item. You can choose to not smoke. Whereas you can't choose to not have health insurance; it's a necessity. Granted, you can go without insurance and then face enormous debt and pain and suffering from untreated illnesses and injuries if something happens to you.
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My parents never had health insurance on us as a family, and I never got health insurance or dental insurance until I was 30 when I married a man with company paid health insurance as a benefit that cost us nothing.

I didn't think it was a "necessity" OR a "right" but a luxury you work to earn?

I would rather put away $700 to $1,000 a month in an interest bearing acct or fund of some sort and take my chances.

My car insurance pays if I need medical because of a wreck.
 

ohioboy said:
NO! And being the head does not impute legal or moral justification to be murdered. Responsible for my son's death? If he was personally directly presented with the actual medical facts, assuming he could approve it by the evidence, and then did not. Yes I would say he was responsible. Here I am assuming arguendo, all the facts are in my favor for debate purposes here. I still would not murder him. Does A CEO personally review every single claim filed?
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The were using A.I. to help deny claims. In an ongoing lawsuit, UnitedHealthcare is accused of denying 90% of Medicare claims. Whether or not that percentage is accurate has yet to be verified, but that's the number used in the lawsuit. What has been verified is that UnitedHealthcare denies far more claims than other insurers and that's due to company policy, and who's responsible for company policy? Yep, the CEO and other management personnel.

UnitedHealthcare, in particular, has come under public scrutiny as it dramatically increased care denials for its Medicare Advantage enrollees.​

The insurer more than doubled the rate of denials for care following hospital stays between 2020 and 2022 as it implemented machine-assisted technology to automate the process, according to a Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigation’s report released in October. That far surpassed its competitors, including Humana, whose care denials grew 54% during the same time period.​
 

HermitHogan said:
No, that's not my answer. I'm not in favor of murdering anyone, but I understand why it happened.
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I would be interested to learn all that you know about Mangione and his motives enough
that you wouldn't mind having another Mangione loose on the street looking for someone else
To shoot and kill.
Last response for tonight.
 
Olivia said:
I would be interested to learn all that you know about Mangione and his motives enough
that you wouldn't mind having another Mangione loose on the street looking for someone else
To shoot and kill.
Last response for tonight.
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Naaa... you keep putting words in my mouth, so I'm not going to respond any more. Have a good sleep. :)
 
HermitHogan said:
Naaa... you keep putting words in my mouth, so I'm not going to respond any more. Have a good sleep. :)
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I did not put words in your mouth. Not on purpose.Read again what you said and then what l said. Neither of us are are mind readers
And could easily misinterpret. But not tonight.l I have to type from an on-screen key board.. It's slow and tiring.
 
I was refused a claim by Blue Cross for an operation and long hospital stay for a severely bleeding ulcer 50 years ago. The ulcer surfaced about three months after I started a new job that provided insurance. I was refused because it was a "preexisting" condition, which it wasn't so there couldn't even be any way for Blue Cross to accurately verify that claim.

I hired a lawyer who began corresponding with the company, and still without any way to verify the truth of their claim, Blue Cross decided it was not preexisting. I learned later that it was standard practice to reject all claims for customers new to Blue Cross as preexisting conditions. They can't refuse coverage for preexisting anymore, but they can still generate blanket refusals for just about anything else.

Unethical practices are not new to the industry. It's just that people have had enough, combined with mind numbing costs for medical care. Actually, I have not had any problems with United Health. They are just an expensive back up for Medicare, which has covered everything I've needed so far.

I was pretty ripped at Blue Cross, but murdering anyone never crossed my mind.
 
Chris Rock said this in his opening monologue on SNL last night...

"Everybody’s fixated on how good-looking this guy looks. If he looked like Jonah Hill, no one would care. They’d already given him the chair, already. He’d be dead, OK? But he actually killed a man, a man with a family, a family, kids, man. I mean, I have condolences. I have real condolences for the health-care C.E.O. I mean, this is a real person. But you also got to go, you know, sometimes drug dealers get shot."​
 
Nathan said:
Well I don't feel shooting someone in the back particularly qualifies them as a hero. There's more civilized ways to address grievances.

Killing Brian Thompson isn't going to help those that suffered and/or died because of him, and won't prevent future healthcare denials.

United Healthcare stock is up, the killing may have rattled some nerves but accomplished no long term effect.
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This is pretty much my thought. What in the end will change? And if people want to think of him as a hero, I wonder about their thought processes.
 
Sometimes those that take the first step, open the door for change. While there are many better ways to make change, killing someone does in many cases in history start the movement.
It is illegal and horrible of course. Everyone says he has a family, kids, a wife.
So do millions of Americans who lose everything because of the health care system. Lost homes, broken families, bankruptcies, suicides all because you broke your leg, didnt have health ins, now owe a 30-50k. God forbid you have major surgery, you will owe hundreds of thousands of dollars and in some cases a million. These ceos and companies know that a aspirin is not 15 bucks. A cast is not 1200 dollars. The doctors time is not worth 10k per hour. But despite the begging and pleading, they dont care. They take your home, your car, your money, your blood.
So it was inevitable that this was going to happen. It may continue to happen. Also in other industries. People really hate the medical system and politics right now.
This could be the trickle before the flood.
I noticed a lot of questionable things with this case though. The original pics do not match Luigi. Facial structure, jacket type are both different. Also just the general facts that he sat there in mcd's after someone recognized him. No, you wouldn't do that. You would steer clear of public places. Uber food to yourself, order groceries, etc.
As I spent many years in secret places and saw many things, this looks a bit to contrived. Looks like a patsy, possibly brainwashing-mk ultra or the new updated version. But, I guess when a society has fallen as far as it has, it was an eventuality that man revert to his baser instincts.
I read a really good philo book on violence. A sentence really struck me...Suppression of aggression equals violence.
Too much suppression with no outlet. Police do nothing, govt lies, med sys steals your money. No where to complain and nothing done. What does that leave you? The last resort. Some go suicide, others go violence.
 
HermitHogan said:
I just checked on the comment about UnitedHealthcare stock being "up." It's not. It's was 610.79 on the day of the shooting and now it's 520.48.
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Oops! But it's understandable, because stocks have been all over the place lately. The self appointed gurus, well spoken and convincing as they can be, are only right 50% of the time, even if they contradict each other 50% of the time. Although, stocks have been generally up for the last few months, but day to day it's either peaches and cream or a heart attack.

As they say in the annual prospectus, "A single day's performance does not a trend make," or something like that.
 
Mangione is a Murderer...period! He appears to have planned this attack for weeks/months. The evidence is irrefutable, and his actions were caught on camera. His motivation may create some sympathy, but his actions completely override any "compassion".

The only ones who will gain anything are the lawyers who will be assigned to his defense, and they will try to drag the process out for months, at taxpayer expense. Then, when he is finally put in prison for life, the taxpayers will have to waste millions to support this idiot for potentially decades.
 
He just signed the ticket for free health care most the rest of his life.
Maybe the Elderly will learn from his stupid sacrifice. Forget health,
move on quickly to the next dimension.

The Zit pockmarked old fart sat there with Kentucky Whisky and self-rolled cigars, all his 18 + life, at the local Bar. "How old
are you the lovely new young blond Barmaid asked?" "29 "- "Last Friday, celebrated again today."
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But seriously the CEO's set directions of a company but the underlings are the ones doing all the dirty work. The CEO doesn't
know the particulars. Why would he want to.
It's at the lower levels where all sorry UR so screwed decisions are made.

Bar the windows and Ur doors and give em all the finger.
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Why do plastic oil pans crack on motors, vibrations and floor jacks?
 
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JustDave said:
I've wondered if that ranting is part of a strategy to bring attention to unethical insurance practices, or if he's suddenly in a panic after his arrest. It seemed to me, he made little effort to avoid arrest. No matter what defense his lawyer comes up with, I'm doubtful I will ever actually know the precise purpose of his actions beyond the killing.
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Trust me....His "Manifesto " will be made widely available to the media by his defense lawyers, at the earliest possible moment. If this case was being tried here in Canada, there would be a court ordered media black out, until the case is concluded and a decision reached. We don't try murder cases on the court room steps here.
 
jimintoronto said:
Of course you assume that he wasn't very smart. On the other hand, I think it was his decision to "get caught " so he will have a world wide platform ( his trial ) to proclaim his manifesto. Everything that he has done so far, points to that as his method. I think that he is mentally ill, and in a devious way, he acted this thing through from start to end with his eyes on the US media coverage. JIM.
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Yes, he got his 15 minutes of FAME.
 
JustDave said:
I've wondered if that ranting is part of a strategy to bring attention to unethical insurance practices, or if he's suddenly in a panic after his arrest. It seemed to me, he made little effort to avoid arrest. No matter what defense his lawyer comes up with, I'm doubtful I will ever actually know the precise purpose of his actions beyond the killing.
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JustDave said:
Oops! But it's understandable, because stocks have been all over the place lately. The self appointed gurus, well spoken and convincing as they can be, are only right 50% of the time, even if they contradict each other 50% of the time. Although, stocks have been generally up for the last few months, but day to day it's either peaches and cream or a heart attack.

As they say in the annual prospectus, "A single day's performance does not a trend make," or something like that.
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Now it's 485.52... down from 610.79 on the day of the shooting! That's a 20% drop!
 
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