If you have a little time to spare read all or just part of it. In sum, you don't need a DL to operate a motor vehicle!! This ridiculous notion is based on "Snippets" of case law decisions, which have NO application to even a rudimentary understanding of law or how to read it. "I'm not driving I'm travelling, the Supreme Court has ruled a person does not have to have a drivers license to merely travel". WRONG, WRONG. Completely opposite, they have ruled "specifically" states CAN require such. He cited at least one Ohio case, I looked it up, 1st it is decision from 1939, in addition to that, it has NO language to support his position. It is because of internet posts like this that cops have to listen to such legal nonsense.
Sovereign citizens and drivers licenses
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Been reading more, it is incredible how these people think? One other post this dude claims in the header how he won his case even though he had no DL. The ticket had mistakenly listed Memorial day to appear, so he did, it would have been more intelligent to check with the court first. Of course the Court was closed, so he claimed if he did not show up, he would lose by default (?), so they did not show up, so they lose by default then! Of course that is Bulloney and a legal lie. In the middle he claimed he did not have to show up but he did anyway. He said he could have invoked Title 28 USC 636. Even without looking it up out of curiousity, I knew it did not apply. How does a section of the Judiciary Code apply to not having to appear at a State traffic hearing?? These people are crazy!!
fuzzybuddy
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A guy on YouTube rambling about the intricacies of US Constitutional Law- so he's got to be right. He's, now, knee deep in a case, where space aliens don't need licenses to "travel" to earth. He bases his legal defense on the Federation/Romulin Pack of 2524.
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Judycat
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Well there is no Federation in 2022. There also are no Romulins and this isn't 2524. THUNK! Pay your fine or go directly to jail.
Nathan
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Nathan
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Hmm, sorry- another double post. :-o
raybar
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The are innumerable "sovereign citizen" videos online, and it's always the same nonsense. They claim to be "traveling not driving" as if the person behind the steering wheel wasn't driving the vehicle. They quote the (U.S.) Articles of Confederation from 1777 as if it wasn't replaced by the Constitution in 1789. They think British Common Law has jurisdiction in the U.S. They think the police need their consent prior to being arrested. They think they are not subject to the courts. And so on.
I am reminded of some people I used to know who thought income tax was unconstitutional, and were given some jail time to reconsider their views. And, of course, they still had to pay their taxes as well as some stiff penalties.
I am reminded of some people I used to know who thought income tax was unconstitutional, and were given some jail time to reconsider their views. And, of course, they still had to pay their taxes as well as some stiff penalties.
Judycat
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Really terrible makeup.
These people are so ignorant. The guy in the video is Ricky Martin, he calls himself a "Constitutional Lawyer". You can see what the Judge thinks of him. In another video of his on YT he is talking to a reporter, among other crappola, he claims when an officer pulls you over with his lights flashing for a traffic stop, it is not an emergency, therefore using their flashing lights is a felony! He says to the cops "What is your emergency, and how may I assist you"! He claimed he spent one night in jail unlawfully, sued, and won 250 grand and to prove it he just quickly showed a paper he had in his little book of tricks, that was 100% not a Judgment entry or a Journal entry of any kind, all it had was the clerks time stamp, that was phony too.
Nathan
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All the disinformation and conspiracy material serves to cause mistrust & divisiveness, much like the Russian manipulation of America's social media ... This may be Russia and China's long game.
Murrmurr
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But they're operating a motor vehicle, right? A driver's license is literally a license to operate a motor vehicle. It used to say that in California's DMV driver's manual. It doesn't anymore. Calif didn't reword the definition of a driver's license, they just omitted that part.
Check this idiot out, the whole video is so legally ignorant it is very scary these people exist. The most hilarious part is, he cites the definition of "Driver" from an 1856 law dictionary?? Unbelievable!
Murrmurr
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Funny, too, he didn't get dinged for spreading "misinformation".
I guess YouTube is info-selective.
Judycat
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InfoWars and PrisonPlanet haha.
These videos are so funny, how can a reasonably educated person believe this nonsense? Actually, how can even a non educated person believe this crap? I quit school in 3rd grade and I still understand better.
senior chef
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This is a tad off track , but the Florida driving laws are a bit wacky. The law states that if the key is in the ignition AND you are under the influence of alcohol and or drugs, you can get a ticket. My neighbor, years ago, was parked in his driveway, washing and waxing his car AND playing his car stereo AND drinking beer. A neighbor complained about the loud music and a cop showed up. Recognizing that my neighbor was intoxicated the cop wrote a ticket for DWI.
You quit school in 3rd grade? Now, THAT is really interesting! And somehow, hard to believe.These videos are so funny, how can a reasonably educated person believe this nonsense? Actually, how can even a non educated person believe this crap? I quit school in 3rd grade and I still understand better.
The same with Ohio under the OMVI laws.The definition of "Operating" per case law, also means the keys are in the ignition while stationary, the person does not need to be driving to be "Operating". States vary though.
RadishRose
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I've seen them on YT arguing their Sovereign Citizen status.
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You beat me to it. I was just about to point out that in the past, you merely learned to drive a vehicle and then went out on the road with it. No driving test or licence required.
Scroll to time starting at 1747. "Officer (then he quotes, and does not even know he is quoting, duh), has ruled speeding is not a crime", challenging his stop. These idiots need to learn the law and HOW it applies. Since it is not a crime, the officer has no right to detain him, so he thinks.
If you are a TX resident and are caught speeding (absent drag racing, reckless) it is NOT an arrestable offense, therefore he quite mistakenly believes he can speed with impunity. The officer can issue a Citation, that is not an arrest.
If you are a TX resident and are caught speeding (absent drag racing, reckless) it is NOT an arrestable offense, therefore he quite mistakenly believes he can speed with impunity. The officer can issue a Citation, that is not an arrest.
Follow up on post 23. Driver states speeding is not a crime, therefore the stop was illegal. Nitwits think because it is not an arrestable offense or just an infraction, a pull over is unconstitutional as it is not classified with the word "Crime" in the header or body. It does NOT have to be a "Crime", ANY "Offense" violation is grounds to a traffic stop, which includes speeding. Start watch at about 2:41. This guy has the nerve to go on a TV interview saying he was right (wrong) and he would do it again if need be to stand up for his rights. If you are going to stand up for your rights, learn them first. What a clown!