Space As An Entity ?

PeppermintPatty said:
You explained that incredibly well. Energy must have been around before the Big Bang and possibly forever. I think we DO know it has ‘creative’ energy. It’s not only creative but extremely intelligent. When we plant an apple seeds we don’t get an orange tree. Even the very topic of DNA ‘appears’ almost miraculous.

Every living thing seems to have an instinctive intelligence system
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I'm not sure how to respond to the OP but @bobcat always has profound, intelligent viewpoints to share. It's interesting that you mention this "Every living thing seems to have an instinctive intelligence system." I just read an article yesterday about plants communicating with one another. In one instance, the article pointed out how one plant seemed to be warning another of impending danger. I only skimmed the article which was in one of my many news apps and I don't remember which one. This article mentions something similar.
How Plants Secretly Talk to Each Other
 

I can go with all of space having something in it. Not intelligent something there in all of it.
There is really no reason to believe that all of space is just mt forever increasingly expanding nonsense.
It's always had stuff in it. Sure, observably it didn't know it. No it's not smart. It is what it is, something.

At the tiniest level microbes are aware of something vibrating near by. Bacteria hide their ass when white
cells try to find them. Sure they are self aware. Sure animals understand us some. Thats not where the
interstellar space thing is. Vastness, full of energy. in a unique abstract way. Its not gonna jump out and
punch you if you moon it and let a big fart out the door at it.

Across the incredible vastness of the forever expanse the energy of it is immense, unmeasurable and unending.
Maybe Blackholes are intelligence, Mother - Father syndrome, maybe they communicate with each other thru
the vast medium of the universe?

Maybe time is sort of immortal in a black hole. Maybe Space time / Gravity & energy are all there is.
Maybe it is a String vibration or a ball of spinning energy at the tiniest possible size vibration / does it matter?.
We will never be able to be part of that thing.

We are 3D + time and space. No more. In our life times we have moved a long way thru space,
met a lot of sun light, ate a lot of fowl and crapped / peed a lot and caused a lot of trouble.

Thas all. Meaningless in the depth of it all. All back there many billions of miles
in space. just a whisp of total B.S.! What I see of Space is awful. Death destruction and mayhem.
There is no weekend driving my Jeep in the off roads I love. Just total hell out there.
Sure Eventually in the Forever of the Universe that's our hells ending. Out there in it.
There just isn't any forever pill you can take, no long distance forever teleportation you can achieve,
Stupid is Fo-Evh-huh :

Enjoy Friday night, Saturday and Sunday. Keep on, you got, & don't really want another way.
One day many billions of billions of years as we know them your lil spinning thingies will join all
the rest in their song.

Hoping the everlasting vastness of the Universe with a beautiful song to sing is a good thing, I think.
Most likely there is no way to hear or measure it. It will just be there as something only the vastness
of the Universe can possibly know.

Could it be that the Crescendo of all that vastness of energy singing its song is how the Big Bang happened?
Believe it will happen again? Hope, miracles can happen. The passage of all that time will seem momentary.
It's easy to see it happening over and over again over the immense time/space expanse. Does it matter?
Immortality would mean repetitive events of/in eternal time/space. Constantly reborn, new life.
It would seem like 9 lives of a Cat over the vast expanse of Eternal Time / Space.

Could the Saturation of the Unbelievable size of the Universe in many, many unnamable / uncountable
amount of our years brings about a total saturation of some basic tiny lil vibrating singer of song.
 
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One eyed Diva. I’m the OP.
I’m currently on a cocktail of cognitive depleting medicines. A mind numbing cocktail

My opening post could have been better explained which bobcat, fortunately did.
His answer was so good, I copy pasted it in my notes.

Sorry my opening post was too vague.
The medications I’m on don’t allow me to get deep into conversations like I used to.
In hindsight I probably should not have posted such subject matter.


By the way, my name is Peppermint Patty. Feel free to shorten it to PP if the above is too long.

I believe every living thing is connected to cosmic consciousness and has the ability to communicate. In a university study, they discovered that plants prefer classical music over loud rock ‘n roll. They separated plants into 2 rooms. The plants with the classical music playing, grew towards the speakers. They plants with the rock music playing, grew away from the speakers.
 

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papa tiger said:
I can go with all of space having something in it. Not intelligent something there in all of it.
There is really no reason to believe that all of space is just mt forever increasingly expanding nonsense.
It's always had stuff in it. Sure, observably it didn't know it. No it's not smart. It is what it is, something.

At the tiniest level microbes are aware of something vibrating near by. Bacteria hide their ass when white
cells try to find them. Sure they are self aware. Sure animals understand us some. Thats not where the
interstellar space thing is. Vastness, full of energy. in a unique abstract way. Its not gonna jump out and
punch you if you moon it and let a big fart out the door at it.

Across the incredible vastness of the forever expanse the energy of it is immense, unmeasurable and unending.
Maybe Blackholes are intelligence, Mother - Father syndrome, maybe they communicate with each other thru
the vast medium of the universe?

Maybe time is sort of immortal in a black hole. Maybe Space time / Gravity & energy are all there is.
Maybe it is a String vibration or a ball of spinning energy at the tiniest possible size vibration / does it matter?.
We will never be able to be part of that thing.

We are 3D + time and space. No more. In our life times we have moved a long way thru space,
met a lot of sun light, ate a lot of fowl and crapped / peed a lot and caused a lot of trouble.

Thas all. Meaningless in the depth of it all. All back there many billions of miles
in space. just a whisp of total B.S.! What I see of Space is awful. Death destruction and mayhem.
There is no weekend driving my Jeep in the off roads I love. Just total hell out there.
Sure Eventually in the Forever of the Universe that's our hells ending. Out there in it.
There just isn't any forever pill you can take, no long distance forever teleportation you can achieve,
Stupid is Fo-Evh-huh :

Enjoy Friday night, Saturday and Sunday. Keep on, you got, & don't really want another way.
One day many billions of billions of years as we know them your lil spinning thingies will join all
the rest in their song.

Hoping the everlasting vastness of the Universe with a beautiful song to sing is a good thing, I think.
Most likely there is no way to hear or measure it. It will just be there as something only the vastness
of the Universe can possibly know.

Could it be that the Crescendo of all that vastness of energy singing its song is how the Big Bang happened?
Believe it will happen again? Hope, miracles can happen. The passage of all that time will seem momentary.
It's easy to see it happening over and over again over the immense time/space expanse. Does it matter?
Immortality would mean repetitive events of/in eternal time/space. Constantly reborn, new life.
It would seem like 9 lives of a Cat over the vast expanse of Eternal Time / Space.

Could the Saturation of the Unbelievable size of the Universe in many, many unnamable / uncountable
amount of our years brings about a total saturation of some basic tiny lil vibrating singer of song.
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WOW!! I really like your style in this expose. It is a stream of consciousness type thing. So much of your "visions" I share in groking their essence. But, I wonder if you have considered that what we call space is also an invisible magnetic/energy field, that can be used once we understand how it operates. It is still possible that "time travel" could happen. Or that we can tap that space for other means of microscopic uses. The possibilities seem endless if we keep testing the essence of it's behavior.
 
OneEyedDiva said:
I'm not sure how to respond to the OP but @bobcat always has profound, intelligent viewpoints to share. It's interesting that you mention this "Every living thing seems to have an instinctive intelligence system." I just read an article yesterday about plants communicating with one another. In one instance, the article pointed out how one plant seemed to be warning another of impending danger. I only skimmed the article which was in one of my many news apps and I don't remember which one. This article mentions something similar.
How Plants Secretly Talk to Each Other
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Thank you S., Nature is amazing. I am always fascinated by how it just innately knows things (Instincts). How does a bird know how to weave a nest, since the nest it was born into was already built beforehand, so it couldn't learn from it's parent. How does a baby dolphin know how to swim? How does a baby kangaroo know it needs to crawl around to the pouch immediately after it's born. How do bees know how to dance, or interpret what it means.

Many things seem to be encoded into their understanding prior to birth that is not learned behavior. How that is done on a cellular level is mystifying, but it is pretty incredible.
 
PeppermintPatty said:
One eyed Diva. I’m the OP.
I’m currently on a cocktail of cognitive depleting medicines. A mind numbing cocktail

My opening post could have been better explained which bobcat, fortunately did.
His answer was so good, I copy pasted it in my notes.

Sorry my opening post was too vague.
The medications I’m on don’t allow me to get deep into conversations like I used to.
In hindsight I probably should not have posted such subject matter.


By the way, my name is Peppermint Patty. Feel free to shorten it to PP if the above is too long.

I believe every living thing is connected to cosmic consciousness and has the ability to communicate. In a university study, they discovered that plants prefer classical music over loud rock ‘n roll. They separated plants into 2 rooms. The plants with the classical music playing, grew towards the speakers. They plants with the rock music playing, grew away from the speakers.
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When is used the term OP, I used it to mean original post not original poster.
Of course I know who you are! You are someone that I highly respect and whose posts I read with interest. 🤗
 
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This is by far one of the more intriguing discussions I have chanced upon here, or anywhere else for that matter. Perhaps nothing is nothing more than the concept of nothing. That is to say, the concept of zero, which also requires a vastness of imagination to begin to comprehend. It certainly can't pretend to be a thing when it, by its very definition, is not a thing.
 
sailormann said:
This is by far one of the more intriguing discussions I have chanced upon here, or anywhere else for that matter. Perhaps nothing is nothing more than the concept of nothing. That is to say, the concept of zero, which also requires a vastness of imagination to begin to comprehend. It certainly can't pretend to be a thing when it, by its very definition, is not a thing.
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There is no experience to be had with nothing, other than that there is an experience of a relationship between the two, even an interaction, or a transaction, between something and nothing, although this too seems implausible. For this tiny bright light of consciousness to wake up and discover itself positioned here, somewhere in or around about the midst of all this astonishing conundrum we call Life, and the Universe, and to miraculously begin quantifying, qualifying, calibrating, calculating and measuring the whole thing, is perhaps the real point of it all. That point being, I Am
 
Anyone with some science education, serious about answers, can just web search on Cosmology where one will find several competing ideas.

Over decades, I've not been leaning fully on the dominant Big Bang Theory, most other scientists became so certain of. Neither did Einstein. :) And of course now with the James Webb Space Telescope showing some of what they thought is likely wrong, they are in a panic. Instead, I lean more towards a Steady State Linear infinite 3D cosmos in all directions that has been eternal without a beginning in which some form of "stuff" matter/ energy has always existed. Even most extremely intelligent minds struggle with concepts of the infinite, unable to grasp why it might not have a beginning, I personally just shake my head, that shows how intelligence is more than most consider.

That is not to say I don't think some kind of Big Bang didn't occur but rather possibly did so within an already existent eternal realm of infinite space with stuff. Stuff with possibly different physical phenomenon than our Big Band created that goes a long ways towards making sense of where Dark Energy and Dark Matter came from. Also because of the Higgs Field, within our Big Bang region, empty space taint "empty" as it is permeated by many energy fields like EMC, electrostatic, etc. Beyond our region could be remote regions within the infinite without even fields, totally black voids.

And at least our universe that seems so amazingly unlikely by mere chance fine tuned for organic life, may have been created within a lab by...

 
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Wildlife is born with instinct, believe the early Neandertal had it also.
They can do what they can do. We learn, some not as much as others.
Most unwilling to put out the effort. Wildlife watches a lot. Maybe
for other wildlife. Survival instinct. It usually doesn't end well. Our
instincts are mostly categorized. Soothsayer, see'r, witch, Card reader,
fortune teller, that sort of stuff. There probably are millions of planets
in the Universe with life, intelligent, whatever on them. Universal
capabilities of life most likely. Great distances are Bitch to deal with.
The will to survive is incredible. A tree can blow over on its side and
re-root. one will cling to the side of a cliff. Plant can spring up in the
dankest places. Most likely Toxins are it all's worst enemy. Radon,
DDT, 2-4D, oil spills, foam, plastics, etc. Sort of everything a human
will do is harmful in most ways to/for life to grow, abound, that stuff.
There is always an excuse to kill off stuff.
 
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Paco Dennis said:
WOW!! I really like your style in this expose. It is a stream of consciousness type thing. So much of your "visions" I share in groking their essence. But, I wonder if you have considered that what we call space is also an invisible magnetic/energy field, that can be used once we understand how it operates. It is still possible that "time travel" could happen. Or that we can tap that space for other means of microscopic uses. The possibilities seem endless if we keep testing the essence of it's behavior.
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I don't see dematerialization / re-materialization as a possible essence. Travel approaching the speed of light becomes very difficult.
Long space flights cooped up seems a crazy thing for me. The Nasa Budget is completely crazy. During the cold war it was nuke here
Nuke there. Now its Aliens here, Aliens there. Have to live on another planet, or moon. Total Crazy unfriendly to life and tons of radiation.
Crazy. Science Fiction?

Our great advancements in communication or in other words Advertising media gone wild, on the hoof, interrupting
your right to privacy in most all respects. Sort of like the sky writer of the 50's. Click bate, more adds, more click bate. Time travel would mean
all of the above, going to a different Spatial speed most likely. Basically, going back to where the earth was, or forward to where the earth will be. Physically that's not there now.

Everything is moving thru space. Never to repeat that exact distance nor is there a perfect forward position.
Its all being interacted with. A general idea of where you were in space 500 year ago or 500 in the future. But exactly, can't? You know
Rematerializing in a granite mountain or 3,ooo feet down in an oil well would just plain suck. Remember the show where the guy rematerialized
as a man-fly? Haha How about the Moon for your head. In the middle of a Cement highway like I-80 and 18 wheeler comming at cha
76 MPH.

Sure you can repeat the experiment over and over and learn from your mistakes, best way. But THE PAIN oh THE PAIN !
Most likely the best lessons are our constant need for wars, over and over. Never ending. Constant conflict, hostility and NUKES threats.
WE ARE DOOMED TO OUR OWN IDEAS.

Most likely Warped is the best explain it of Space. Like molecules attract, Chemistry. Mass attracts other mass, gravity warps space. etc.
I can guess a Black Hole leads to another dimension of space. Nowhere. A solid unbelievably dense Hunk Of Just old Nothing. Maybe
Matter and Energy ripped apart and squashed into the Primal Ball of its Elementary Watson, just stuff. No motion in it, just the Spin of the Ball of stuff.
 
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Nothing that is full of what ever was! Maybe time stops and Nothing becomes Something again.
You know just how much room does all that ever was and now nothing need to get really warlike,
teed off & to go boom. You know ticked off and going boom may be the universal truth, the
only guiding law of the universe. "DONT TELL ME IM NOTHING DAM IT" twss
So how much of nothing does it take. Great math here, maybe a group of Galaxy joining?
Wait Galaxy group are all heading toward the great attractor, aren't they?

Just what part of nothing do you not understand?
What would set off a nothing boom, a match, a thought, reaction to an action. GOOD or BAD CHEMISTRY?
Could all of Nothing create a huge quarrel and then "BOOM" ..... :cool: .....

So anger is the driver! Then who goes along for the ride? intelligence?
An iddigit's delight ! Would those fallen angels be like meteors and create
dinosaurs when the made monsters? Then ya got the end of the Angels.
Sure it most likely happened all over the Universe.
 
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If your were a Radio / radar / electronic / light / cosmic radiation / wave passing through space and was directly struck by another of different wave lengths would both of you glance off each other and take different directions, would the higher frequency, more powerful run the experiment and what would the resulting emission of energy be? Or would the 2 waves + the radiation just cease / become something else,
wipe each other out, become burst of random static?
 
Continuous creation, shrinking matter. "Red shift" would be our perception of the wavelength of emitted electromagnetic radiation, a wavelength that remains constant though our "yardsticks" gradually shrink as the EM travels to us.

No expanding universe, no Big Bang required. We've been looking at it backwards and ignoring the creation of additional matter and mass over time.
 

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