Spanish players furore over bring kissed

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davey said:
yes OK give it ok old fella and when ya ready shout duck!!
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davey said:
yes OK give it ok old fella and when ya ready shout duck!!
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Another piece of useless information, or the guy does not have a chance in hell. Adding, Pink News confirmed that seven of the England players in the last World Cup were Gay.
The link below works, all these problems started before the games. Why not give the team an all-woman everything and let them get on with it?

Out lesbian players vital for World Cup finalists Spain
 
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I watch lots of British TV shows so I am an expert on European culture. ;)

Kissing the cheek is normal and not offensive under most circumstances. Kissing on the lips is very presumptive even for the French.
 
Rose65 said:
I strongly suspect Rubiales has been behaving out of order for some time. He seems to have few friends, so maybe the women around him have been tolerating minor things for a long time.
Only guessing, because these things rarely happen out of the blue.
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A man of money who could have endless attractive women pecks an unattractive lesbian for sexual gratification, what a joke.
Then, as it seems these teams consist of mainly lesbians, what incentive to straight women and danger to young girls is that?
Then, as posted, they kicked off weeks before the tournament started regarding the trainer and started flouncing and it never stopped.
 
Avon said:
A man of money who could have endless attractive women pecks an unattractive lesbian for sexual gratification, what a joke.
Then, as it seems these teams consist of mainly lesbians, what incentive to straight women and danger to young girls is that?
Then, as posted, they kicked off weeks before the tournament started regarding the trainer and started flouncing and it never stopped.
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Hmmm. In my considerable professional experience in dealing with the Lgbtquias+ community, I have yet to see ravening hordes of sporty lesbians grooming or groping girls or straight women, if this is what is meant by posing a danger? . The primary sexual danger to

young girls remains men, just as the primary sexual danger to women of all ages, attractive or not, straight, bi, lesbian or whatever, remains men. This

kiss was more about power and control than anything else. The man is a predator, and a person

who grabbed his own crotch in public while in the presence of a fifteen year old girl. This was the princess Sofia, who was standing next to her mother,

the Spanish Queen. They attended the World Cup. There is a long history of entitled and predatory men holding various leadership positions in women’s sport. Both Barcelona and Sevilla support

Hermoso. Others, also. These are men’s teams. I look forward to a day when victims are no longer blamed for other’s predatory behaviour.
 
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Shalimar said:
Hmmm. In my considerable professional experience in dealing with the Lgbtquias+ community, I have yet to see ravening hordes of sporty lesbians grooming or groping girls or straight women, if this is what is meant by posing a danger? . The primary sexual danger to

young girls remains men, just as the primary sexual danger to women of all ages, attractive or not, straight, bi, lesbian or whatever, remains men. This

kiss was more about power and control than anything else. The man is a predator, a person

who grabbed his own crotch in public. There is a long history of entitled and predatory men holding various leadership positions in women’s sport. Both Barcelona and Sevilla support Hermoso. Others, also. These are men’s teams. I look forward to a day when victims are no longer blamed for other’s predatory behaviour.
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The man just touching his crotch was playing up to the crowd and on camera, it was a joke in the excitement of whatever moment was taking place and the presenters laughing.
There are 11 players in a football team and seven were lesbians, the game seems to have been taken over by lesbians with lesbian views, which is disproportionate and not a good sign that the women's game is in a healthy place. Similar forums have a huge, disproportionate number of School Teacher members normally.
 
I believe that it was an abuse of power, the players, would
be frightened to face up to him, in case he stopped them
from playing for Spain ever again.

People of our generation, would put him wise by telling
him that he was out of order, but a young woman would
be a bit hesitant, I think.

Mike.
 
Avon said:
The man just touching his crotch was playing up to the crowd and on camera, it was a joke in the excitement of whatever moment was taking place and the presenters laughing.
There are 11 players in a football team and seven were lesbians, the game seems to have been taken over by lesbians with lesbian views, which is disproportionate and not a good sign that the women's game is in a healthy place. Similar forums have a huge, disproportionate number of School Teacher members normally.
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Oh my, my mother was a school teacher. At one point, I was an academic who taught in University. 😀
 
Avon said:
The man just touching his crotch was playing up to the crowd and on camera, it was a joke in the excitement of whatever moment was taking place and the presenters laughing.
There are 11 players in a football team and seven were lesbians, the game seems to have been taken over by lesbians with lesbian views, which is disproportionate and not a good sign that the women's game is in a healthy place. Similar forums have a huge, disproportionate number of School Teacher members normally.
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“Just grabbing his crotch?” There is no justification whatsoever in that man groping himself in front of a minor girl. No joke. Abuse. I find this preoccupation with lesbians to be a distraction from the main point of this situation. As for lesbian views, lesbians are every

bit as diverse in their views as any other section of society, more so in fact than the less tolerant members of the public.
 
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Shalimar said:
There is no justification whatsoever in that man groping himself in front of a minor girl. No joke. Abuse. I find this preoccupation with lesbians to be a distraction from the main point of this situation. As for lesbian views, lesbians are every

bit as diverse in their views as any other section of society, more so in fact than the less tolerant members of the public.
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You are missing the point, this saga is not about one man, it is about a group of women using it as an excuse to further their agenda to promote woke and women's rights. Very sad for football and a great step backwards after the success achieved, a shot in the foot as they say. Anyway, they will no longer get my support.
 
Avon said:
You are missing the point, this saga is not about one man, it is about a group of women using it as an excuse to further their agenda to promote woke and women's rights. Very sad for football and a great step backwards after the success achieved, a shot in the foot as they say. Anyway, they will no longer get my support.
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Actually, there is nothing woke about objecting to abuse. That is totally on point. Everyone in sport, male or female, has a right to be treated with respect.
 
Shalimar said:
Actually, there is nothing woke about objecting to abuse. That is totally on point. Everyone in sport, male or female, has a right to be treated with respect.
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Agree, but not when a person is coerced into changing their statement to suit the bigger agenda of her close colleagues, or else I suspect in this case.
 
Well, this story has......... exploded. He's not going to get away with this, whether you think he's right or wrong. He should resign. Otherwise I don't see any dignified way of his saving a tiny bit of face.
 
Another varied question is would he have kissed a male team member in the same way after a victorious game - I would guess YES! - male/female - female/male - I don't think lesbianism or homosexuality comes into it - it is excessive exuberance - probably unecessary but sinister - preditory - not necessarily - I have seen this behaviour numerous times on the soccer/football/rugby/tennis field - it does not need to be considered sexual behaviour just shere happiness of a congratulory nature?
 
davey said:
Another varied question is would he have kissed a male team member in the same way after a victorious game - I would guess YES! - male/female - female/male - I don't think lesbianism or homosexuality comes into it - it is excessive exuberance - probably unecessary but sinister - preditory - not necessarily - I have seen this behaviour numerous times on the soccer/football/rugby/tennis field - it does not need to be considered sexual behaviour just shere happiness of a congratulory nature?
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I wanna tell you a story.

We’ve all done something impulsive. A spur-of-the-moment decision that when you thought about it later wasn’t such a good idea. Nearly 90 years ago an American woman acted rashly, and was forever linked by history to one of its worst monsters.

George and Carla De Vries were typical American tourists vacationing in Europe that year. The Norwalk, California dairy farmers did what many of their countrymen did that year and seized on the upcoming Summer Olympic Games as the perfect opportunity to see the Continent.

But this wasn’t any ordinary Olympiad. Because the 1936 Games were held in Berlin, capital of Nazi Germany. The swastika flew above Olympic Stadium. And looming over it all was the official host, Adolf Hitler.

In fairness to the de Vries, Hitler had not yet revealed himself to the world as the apex of evil. He was just one of the many bad guys ruling Europe at the time: Stalin, Mussolini, Franco, and lots of lesser tyrants as well. World War II and the Holocaust were still several years away. The Nazis were on their best behavior just then, too. They toned down their hateful rhetoric, plastered fake smiles on their faces, and built shiny venues to host athletic competitions. The Reich’s leaders hoped to use the games to showcase their racial superiority claptrap, though that didn’t turn out as they had planned.

George and Carla were among the large crowd (estimates are as high as 30,000 people) watching swimming contests on August 15. Hitler had a ringside seat. The men’s 1500m freestyle event had just wrapped up. Carla asked guards if Der Fuhrer would autograph her Olympic ticket. During a break in the action, she was escorted to his seat.

Hitler seemed to be having one of his rare pleasant days. Carla handed him the ticket, which he obligingly signed and returned.

Then an idea popped into her head and she pounced. Literally. The 40-year-old lunged over the railing and tried to kiss the dictator. Hitler pulled back, grinning from ear to ear like an awkward schoolboy.

Carla lunged again. This time her lips grazed the Fuhrer’s cheek. Hitler wheeled away, smiling stupidly through a shellshocked expression.

Security guards grabbed Carla. As they led her off, thousands of people who witnessed the scene cheered wildly. “I think we’d better get out of here,” she told George, who agreed. They lost no time returning to their hotel. Carla had, after all, just made people laugh at the one person in Nazi Germany you didn’t make fun of.
 
Rose65 said:
I always assumed it is legally assault if anyone so much as lays a hand on anyone in an unwanted way.
People should control themselves, especially men towards women at all times.
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Why, are women less responsible than men?

All this talk about equality. The only thing people really have in common is they are going to die. Bob Dylan

That is enough of this thread for me.
 
It's not getting any better unfortunately...


The mother of shamed Spanish football chief Luis Rubiales has locked herself inside a church and gone on hunger strike in support of her son.

Angeles Bejar demanded an end to the 'inhumane witch-hunt' after he kissed Spain player Jenni Hermoso on the lips following their Women's World Cup triumph.

Rubiales refused to stand down as president of the Spanish football federation but has been provisionally suspended by world football's governing body FIFA.


Bejar, a former hairdresser, has locked herself in the Divina Pastora church in Motril, east of Malaga in southern Spain, and started an 'indefinite, day and night' hunger strike until 'justice is served.'

Bejar demanded that Hermoso 'tell the truth' after the player insisted the kiss wasn't consensual, in contrast to Rubiales' account.
As reported by Marca, she asked 'why are they being so cruel to him' and 'what is behind the story' since 'he is incapable of harming anyone.'

Rubiales grew up in Motril, in the Andalucia region, and visited there for a holiday over the weekend. Angeles' husband is the resort's former mayor.

It comes as the Spanish football federation holds another urgent meeting over Rubiales' future in his post.

Luis Rubiales' cousin Vanesa Ruiz Bejar, speaking on behalf of her family, said outside the church: 'The statement I'm about to make is extremely difficult.

'My name is Vanesa Ruiz Bejar and I'm Luis Rubiales' cousin.

'There's a campaign of harassment occurring that is very unfair.

'Luis' mum who is a very religious person has sought refuge in God and started a hunger strike.

'She doesn't want to come out of the church. We are all suffering a lot because of what's happened to Luis which doesn't seem at all fair to us.

'He's been condemned already without being tried. It's not normal. We won't to be left alone. The facts speak for them, there are videos, there are audio recordings.'

In a direct message to Hermoso, she added: 'Jenni, say the truth.'

'Why has she changed her version three times? We have suffered a lot, we have had to leave our homes because of the harassment we're suffering.

'We won't to be left alone and see justice done and we want this woman to tell the truth. Jenni, 'tell the truth!'
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The mother of Spanish football chief Luis Rubiales (left), Angeles Bejar, has gone on hunger strike in a church in protest at what she describes as the 'inhumane witch-hunt' against her son
 

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