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As per radio news this morning ..........

In the city of Philadelphia , Penn ..... You will no longer be stopped by the police for .........improper display of a license plate, a plate that is less than 60 days expired, or no plate. A non functioning headlamp / tail lamp , stop lamp, missing bumper, dark tint, etc. & so on. Many of the here-to fore infractions are now only a citation [by mail] offence. No word on just how the police are suppose to know ones address if there is no tag displayed.

These changes were promoted by groups that want to lessen the "interaction" between the police & minorities ......... gee imagine that.

Gee-wiz .......... surely this won't open the door to even more crimminal activity ?? ........<sarc>

This country just continues to coddle criminals
 

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Between this Covid, and all the anti-police protests, and calls to "Defund" the police, many cities are seeing crime rates going up substantially....especially in the poorer Inner City neighborhoods. Locally, hardly a day goes by without a report of a shooting in our States larger cities. Police are retiring, or quitting, and cities are having trouble requiting replacements. The people demeaning the police are getting what they wished for, and it is going to make their lives even more miserable.
 
I am a 75, white male. I have never been stopped for anything but a speeding ticket ( twice- in good old PA speed traps). I worked at a hospital with a lot of black employees. There were about 20 of us, waiting for a class to start. The subject came up of police stops. None of the white employees were stopped for tail lights, improper placement of renewal stickers on PA license plate (today, this is not done),a supposedly stolen car, etc. All the black employees reported multiple stops., especially in Philadelphia. And these were all doctors, and nurses.
 

fuzzybuddy said:
I am a 75, white male. I have never been stopped for anything but a speeding ticket ( twice- in good old PA speed traps). I worked at a hospital with a lot of black employees. There were about 20 of us, waiting for a class to start. The subject came up of police stops. None of the white employees were stopped for tail lights, improper placement of renewal stickers on PA license plate (today, this is not done),a supposedly stolen car, etc. All the black employees reported multiple stops., especially in Philadelphia. And these were all doctors, and nurses.
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Well ...... which do we want ? Our police watching more closely the groups that are likely to engage in criminal activity ? Or just pull over / arrest everyone at any time under general suspicion ? Or just ignore their suspicions / street experience & not even try to be a deterrent to crime at all ?

I mean, we really can't have it all. Don't we want our police to vigilant ? and use their collective experience as a tool to combat crime ? Or would we rather have them just show up after the fact ?

Only the black community is responsible for creating the constant suspicion of criminal activity that surrounds them. If they want it to stop,.... only they can stop it.
 
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Well ...... which do we want ? Our police watching more closely the groups that are likely to engage in criminal activity ? Or just pull over / arrest everyone at any time under general suspicion ? Or just ignore their suspicions / street experience & not even try to be a deterrent to crime at all ?

I mean, we really can't have it all. Don't we want our police to vigilant ? and use their collective experience as a tool to combat crime ? Or would we rather have them just show up after the fact ?

Only the black community is responsible for creating the constant suspicion of criminal activity that surrounds them. If they want it to stop,.... only they can stop it.
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I think that's a valid point.

For a couple of years my kids and I lived in a small city up north that was probably 90% white (my estimate). That 10% of non-whites were no more likely to be pulled over for minor infractions than the average resident. That honor went to very young and very old drivers.

(BTW, I know this because my cousin was a cop there. That's why we moved there - he owned the house I rented.)
 
My late husband, who was in law enforcement, told me many wanted criminals are caught because of a missing tail light or expired license plate.
(some little thing they overlook)
First they get rid of Police, then the laws?
 
Gaer said:
My late husband, who was in law enforcement, told me many wanted criminals are caught because of a missing tail light or expired license plate.
(some little thing they overlook)
First they get rid of Police, then the laws?
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Years ago locally ........... an officer pulled over a car due to a non-operating stop lamp .......... he had suspicion about they driver, just because of the way they looked at each other as they passed in the opposite direction, in slow traffic. The officer turned around & followed. Noticing the light out ... he pulled the car over. During the interaction with the driver he heard a noise from the trunk.

He pulled the driver out cuffed & held him ..... at the same time he opened the trunk. Inside he found a young girl, bound in duct tape......she turned out to be 14 yrs old.

He [the driver] had just snached her off the street, other than the emotional trauma no harm to her at that point.

Just imagine if you will, the hell that officer just saved her from.

Without the stop lamp infraction ...... the officer would have had no probable cause for the stop.
 
I've only ever been stopped once ( in the way home from an evening shift) because one sidelight wasn't working. The cop was a real pedantic **** and said I would be reported for a traffic offence. It was just before Christmas and I thought, I hope you have the most wretchedly miserable time imaginable and end up with severe food poisoning. I had to take my documents to the local police station where I asked the cop on duty what was likely to happen. He said, don't be silly, nobody gets done for a side light. He was only using it as an excuse to see if you'd been drinking.
I hope he had a really really worst imaginable Christmas.
 
rgp said:
Years ago locally ........... an officer pulled over a car due to a non-operating stop lamp .......... he had suspicion about they driver, just because of the way they looked at each other as they passed in the opposite direction, in slow traffic. The officer turned around & followed. Noticing the light out ... he pulled the car over. During the interaction with the driver he heard a noise from the trunk.

He pulled the driver out cuffed & held him ..... at the same time he opened the trunk. Inside he found a young girl, bound in duct tape......she turned out to be 14 yrs old.

He [the driver] had just snached her off the street, other than the emotional trauma no harm to her at that point.

Just imagine if you will, the hell that officer just saved her from.

Without the stop lamp infraction ...... the officer would have had no probable cause for the stop.
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Pre political correctness, this kind of thing was not called profiling, it was called good police work. :(
 
I think the operative words are "probable cause"- why police can stop you, Is the probable cause a broken tail light, or being black in a white neighborhood? How do you explain why out of 20 people, no whites were stopped, and every black person was? Again, we not talking about drug dealers, convicts, etc. These were black doctors, and nurses.
 
I've never had a ticket, but I've been stopped four times that I can remember off hand. The first time was because I'd been driving around the same block several times, it was Dayton and their darn one way streets that keep you trapped in a circle if you can't easily change lanes. Another two times were because I was going too slow. This was in residential neighborhoods with no one else around, so I wasn't impeding traffic. The police told me they stopped me because oftentimes when someone is going unusually slow they are stoned. I was not.

Last time was just recently. I was pulled over because the cop thought my tags were old, but they were just a new, five-year type he hadn't seen. I never particularly minded.

When we lived out in the country my son was stopped and questioned by the police twice while he was walking along the country road for exercise -- walking in his running shoes, shorts, and t-shirt, empty handed. I don't know what harm they thought he could have been up to dressed like that with no place to hide anything.

I would much rather be bothered a little now and then than not have a police force.
 
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I think the operative words are "probable cause"- why police can stop you, Is the probable cause a broken tail light, or being black in a white neighborhood? How do you explain why out of 20 people, no whites were stopped, and every black person was? Again, we not talking about drug dealers, convicts, etc. These were black doctors, and nurses.
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Did the twenty white people all have broken tail lamps ?

IMO ..... if in a high crime area, that happens to be a mojority black area as well ....... Double checking a suspicious black driver should be probable enough. As I said earlier, they [blacks] created the suspicion/ruputation of their group all on their own.

Asking/expecting the police to just ignore that just [again opinon] makes no sense.

Like Squating dog said it's just good police work !

I have also said before ..... If the majority of bank robberies were committed by 70+ yr/old men with white hair and a bit of a belly.......I would expect to be closely watched each & every time i got near a bank !
 
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I am a 75, white male. I have never been stopped for anything but a speeding ticket ( twice- in good old PA speed traps). I worked at a hospital with a lot of black employees. There were about 20 of us, waiting for a class to start. The subject came up of police stops. None of the white employees were stopped for tail lights, improper placement of renewal stickers on PA license plate (today, this is not done),a supposedly stolen car, etc. All the black employees reported multiple stops., especially in Philadelphia. And these were all doctors, and nurses.
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This is a fine example of ignoring the subject and turning it in to a political pile of šŸ’©. Way to go fuzzybuddy
 
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