State of the Union Address

CeeCee

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Did anyone watch?

I know you don't get political on here but just asking, no need for any name calling , etc.

I didn't watch...I am burnt out with Politics of any sort after being on a political forum for 8 yrs.

Ive reached the point where I don't care because I feel neither side is totally right...I may become an Independant .

If this topic is flammatory than you can remove it, Matrix.
 

Just TRY to switch channels! It was on almost EVERY channel.

I watched a little bit of it waiting for his pants to catch on fire, but gave

up. Got sick of watching that silly veep in the background and POTUS

sticking his chin out, like Mussilini (sp).
 
I watched around a half hour of it, I am an Independent, also not happy with either party...never have been very political, but I don't want either party gaining too much control.
 
I watched the President's speech tonight. He gave a good speech, he nearly always does, but what I saw, I thought, was fluff. The President is obligated to give a State of The Union speech, members of congress and others are obligated to attend. It's all a great performance, but i strongly suspect if the constitution did not require it, it would not happen. I don't know how many members of the Supreme Court attended tonight, but at least one member of the Court is reported to have said these State of the Union affairs are a big pep rally, that's all. I tend to agree.


I also listened to the Republican response, which was, I thought, better than I expected. The lady gave an intelligent response while not saying anything to hurt her party.


I guess my mind was on Pete Seeger, folk singer, philosopher, song writer, and banjo player extraordinary who died today, his mind and banjo silenced forever. I for one will miss him. I liked the man. I was entertained by him over the years, a man forever pulling for the underdog and less fortunate, with a song and his music. May he rest in peace.
 
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On the radio last night, dj ran a little contest challenging people to name the number times the gallery broke into wild applause (gag). Never got the answer but am sure it's nauseating.
 
Well, I have a suggestion. Amend your constitution just a little bit and you can have our current PM. He's a neoconservative, a Rhodes scholar, very trim and athletic, competes in Ironman events and serves as a volunteer firefighter when he's not working on Aboriginal settlements fixing the houses. As for winning, this man is a political street fighter and he has three virginal daughters plus a doting wife and even has a mother, so he's very good to women.

He's available roughly around the same time as your next presidential election and the best part is that he could resign his post over here tomorrow if you wanted him.

He's very photogenic too.

 
Warri wrote: Well, I have a suggestion.

Warri, I tried to find that picture of your side's roundly turfed out on his landsliding backside, show pony, preening little p..sorry, much recycled 'leader' picking his nose and eating it in Parliarment in full view of the public and cameras but never mind, perhaps that's better not seen at all.

If you thought Rudd's mental processes were superior to Abbott's then you are too deluded to rehabilitate.

Now then, sure you still wanna go the 'making political attacks personal' road ???? I lurrrrve that game.



Or just to keep things more current... sorry, but I'm on a roll... should we compare intellects with your side's current glorious leading light?
He hasn't actually had an original thought since he was left last man standing to lead Labor, still just reciting the spin of the day. But harking back to the last ad lib statement I can remember him making, it was a doozy. A real insight into the depths of his resolve and thinking powers.

When asked to comment on a statement from the PM he replied "I don't know what she said but whatever it was I agree with it."

And the Yanks think they have problems? :lofl:
 
Well, we watched it, hopefully to hear something different, but all we heard was the usual proclamations of how great things are, and how much more we can do if we just hang in there.

More fun watching Walter beaming and winking in the background, and Boehners gloomy look of complete doubt and boredom. Gotta wonder if he takes blood pressure meds. Same old stuff, unfortunately. :rolleyes:
 
It appears a few of us here watched more of that State of the Nation thing than the locals did. I watched 'cos the way politics is done fascinates me.
The two systems are very different but the politicians are the same. Ours have been trying that hoopla and spangles bullsh*t type 'personalization' type campaigning but it went over like a lead balloon when it came to election day.

It seems to me that the US politicians are being faced with a populace more like the one ours has to contend with. We know what they're up to now.

We're not as gullible as we were. The internet has allowed a wider range of insights and views to tarnish their shiny little ponds and show them for the frogs they really are. They seem to be missing that point.

They are still underestimating the intelligence of their electorates and still believe they'll fall for the patriotic buzz phrases that their parents did.
Maybe they should be paying more attention to the content of all that NSA hacking and take note of how the populations awareness is changing?

The big difference between OZ and the US is the apathy factor. We are every bit as jaded with all sides of politics as the US appears to be.
We know that neither side of Politics alone is the answer, that a balance is needed, and that no Politician is as wonderful or intelligent as they'd have us believe.
While those too disillusioned in the States to be even bothered to vote for any of them can just not vote, in OZ we are compelled to vote or pay a fine for the privilege of ignoring them all.

That knowledge focuses the attention of both voters and candidates and forces pollies into doing a little more to actually produce results, and not rely solely on buzz phrases and charisma to qualify them for office.

When Obama said "Lets give America a raise!" I thought, that's your job mate, to make it an America that can afford to give itself a raise.

Like failed politicians here he seemed to be putting the onus of paying for anything back on the few who were still working to pay the way for his grandiose schemes. It's not just him, it's gone that way here too. It's all very fine to pump out feel good phrases but without first fixing what's wrong with the system no amount of spin and duct tape will replace some good hard headed policy change to the way things are being done.

Our new government won't ever make the history books in the wonderful section but at least they are making a start on tweaking the fringes of what's gone wrong. It brings screams from those now addicted to hand outs but there won't be anything left to hand out to those who really do need it if some of the pond scum who are rorting welfare aren't scooped out. Nor will it be fixed until those hiding billions in foreign tax havens are brought back to paying their way where they make the dough. Big biz needs to pay it's fair share, and welfare recipients need to really, really, need support to qualify for handouts. Both ends of the system need fixing.

They're easing the tension on the red tape holding businesses back that were imposed to suit Unions, and letting them prosper a little more easily to employ more people. We also tend to tax the backside off businesses and individuals here than in the States, so both sides of the coin must be addressed. A scheme to offer amnesty for the period beyond the last 4 years to encourage big investors to put their money back into OZ and pay tax on their profits here is a contentious one but it may just be a smarter move than it appears on the surface. Skimming an extra $billion pa out of the super rich is better than getting nothing at all.

I've no idea of your tax scales but when I thought about what Romney said, how many don't pay tax at all, I went pale. Was he right?

Can't make any comment on how the States runs politics, that's your business and I'm still trying to figure our own out, but wondering about that voting turnout.

Do any of you not vote at all?? Whichever way that goes we get the Governments we deserve.:eek:nthego:
 
Diwundrin, about what Romney said. That is true,we have many who do not pay income taxes.
Some get their income tax refunded and some get "earned" taxes credits and get a check fore MORE than they paid in in the first place.

They talk about low voter tuern out but some places seem to have more people vote than they have registered.
 
Yes, Di and the gap is quickly closing..It's amazing to me that those in the know hold his comment up as one of the single most important reasons he didn't get elected. We seem to be a country that doesn't want to face up to the truth. Hard to turn things around when so many are on the freebie wagon and want to stay there.
 
Did the scowling John Boehner seated behind Obama spend the last month in a tanning bed?
Or is that a bad spray-on tanning job?
 
They talk about low voter turn out but some places seem to have more people vote than they have registered.

We don't get that problem mentioned often at all. Too lazy to do it twice, getting us there once or at all had to be made mandatory.

(But it did work and gives a much more detailed result of what the entire demographics in electorates Nation wide are thinking, and why .)

A lot here don't like compulsory voting but more because it wrecks their Saturday than out of any philosophical outrage at infringements of rights.

Ramble....
I'm coming to the view that the constant banging of 'rights' in the US is being used against, rather than for, it's people. There are more than a few politicians here who wish to hell they didn't have to try and impress anyone else other than their most ardent registered fans enough to vote for them. But they do.

I've tried but haven't yet mastered getting my head around the complex structure of your politics and the intricacies of voting procedures. I've had it explained by a kind and patient US member on a previous forum, who seems to have gotten lost on the trek here, but while on the surface it makes sense if you have been born with doing things that way it does seem far more complex than it needs to be.

We don't need 'delegates' and layers of selection and all that jazz. A candidate is chosen to represent a Party and stands in an electorate against others in other Parties and we go along and vote for whoever we deem the best of a bad lot.

We don't need bells and whistles and a 4 year run in because we don't have to elect a President to angst over.
5 weeks is our usual campaigning time.
The Party which gets the most candidates up then runs the joint. They pick their own leader who then becomes our Prime Minister. If he turns out to be an idiot then they toss him to the back bench and elect someone else who then becomes Prime Minister. Eeeaaasyyyy.

Instead of that POTUS worry we have the Monarch as 'Head of State' who stays out of our business and let's us get on with things as we choose but holds figurehead status to be drawn on when things get out of hand.

The Monarch has essentially no powers at all except to control the parliarmentary procedures when a deadlock occurs which amounts to issuing an order to have another election. No brainer! Even that is done through a 3rd Party, the Governor General who is not elected, but appointed by the Prime Minister. So in essence the PM tells the Queen who her representive is whether she likes it or not. No Royal declarations or decisions to bother us at all.
Good system, you should have kept it. Too late?


Most of our pollies have backgrounds as burned out lawyers or Union bosses looking to further their ambitions to run everybody's life. A couple of millionaires there, even a billionaire, but most just wheeler dealers in a career change.

Obama made much of pointing out those who sprang from humble beginnings to reach the pinnacle (yeah right.) of a political career.
Well now how does that happen exactly? Excluding those in the population whose humble beginnings were overcome to make them multimillionaires or at least leading lights of their communities, how did those politicians achieve the pinnacle? 'Hard work' was mentioned. Really? Hard physically, nup.
Hard intellectually? sort of. But to achieve the pinnacles of politics takes a vastly different kind of talent than to build a business.

What career politicians have mastered despite their 'humble' beginnings is the ability to shelve conscience, and to figure out how to fang and claw their way over everyone else in their path to power. You don't get to the top standing in the corner being nice in politics.
You really so proud of that talent Barrack? all those others applauding themselves? Yeah, I guess leaving the bodies of rivals laying in your wake would be hard work. Never forget this bloke out-politicked Hilary Clinton! Now that really does show talent!


Sorry, not having a go at your politics, (just pointing it out as a scoring point for Warri,) as similar things went on here. Some were sooooo impressed that we had a woman PM. They were so blinded with ecstasy that they didn't give a thought to how she got there.

Over the bodies of all the many male rivals along the way who she then had the unmitigated gall to make a speech about, denouncing them for mysogony!!! Here she was, the Red Queen, blaming her victims for messing up the bloodied sword she was trying to wield on the opposition Party the same way she'd lain waste to anyone worthwhile who might rival her in her own Party.
'Poor Julia' huh! .... poor Genghis!!!

All politicians should be seen as flawed human beings, we shouldn't elect them for their marketing spiel and poisonalities, we only need people competent to make sensible decisions. They are supposed to be working for us!
We'd be better off choosing at random a few number cruncher accountants and some Civil Engineers. We have to have career diplomats but they can be appointed, we can fire them if they stuff up. All we need elect are a few Politicians to oversee the various authorities. Most ministers have little more than clue about their portfolios anyway. They are experts at nothing except politics itself.

Never believe politicians' CVs. Hire carefully.
 
Diwundrin said:
Warri, I tried to find that picture of your side's roundly turfed out on his landsliding backside, show pony, preening little p..sorry, much recycled 'leader' picking his nose and eating it in Parliarment in full view of the public and cameras but never mind, perhaps that's better not seen at all.
Feel free to put forward your own candidate anytime you feel like it.
KRudd is between engagements at the moment.
And it was ear wax, not snot. :D


By the way, did I mention that our PM knows how to swing a punch ?
That should come in handy when dealing with the Congress.
 
So it was, must be getting senile, eating earwax in Parliarment is far more indicative of great intellect. My mistake.
Abbott was an amateur boxer. We have Shooters Party reps too do you think they are going to go postal because shooting is their sport ? Or just chuck roo poo around? Will Penny ride in on a Harley? Will the Bobcatter herd in a few steers?
Or is it just Abbott you have a problem with? Could have been Les Patterson.


Ignore us, we're just playing 'personality politics'.
 


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