Study analyzes the impact of minimum wage hikes in CA

ElCastor said:
Just a theory on my part, but I suspect that the soaring cost of a college education can be, at least in part, attributed to the ready availability of college loans. In light of those loans colleges have felt free to raise wages and therefore tuition. When I went to college it was practically free in comparison to today’s charges.
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It's a good theory. It's a shame to see that education, so vital to the health of our nation, is being priced out of reach for so many.
 

Debrah N. said:
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I also find it interesting how you get all worked up and suggest an outrageously high minimum wage for the sake of hyperbole and then go after me for suggesting a potential outcome that you think would not happen?
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I'm not sure how you interpreted that I "got all worked up", and then "went after you". Sometimes these discussions quickly turn emotional when one's faith or philosophy is challenged by facts.

You're entitled to your belief system, and certainly there are many in Canada who share your opinions.
 
old medic said:
I don't see how thats possible.... here in NC FF prices have jumped average of 25% My breakfast sometimes breakfast meal is up 38% in 2 years
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Because the study compared the prices 2 weeks before and 2 weeks after the new wage went into effect. Your memories of prices are not based on the same time frame as the study and are years long not 4 weeks.
 
Jeni said:
I know it is beating a dead horse saying this but these Jobs were meant as starter jobs not career jobs unless you are the franchise owner.
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I agree fully.
ElCastor said:
Just a theory on my part, but I suspect that the soaring cost of a college education can be, at least in part, attributed to the ready availability of college loans. In light of those loans colleges have felt free to raise wages and therefore tuition. When I went to college it was practically free in comparison to today’s charges.
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My children all received their bachelors' degrees without any student loans. They lived at home, worked part-time for extras, started at community college (which, at about $150 a semester, was all but free), transferred to the local state university after getting their Associates' degrees, and we paid approx $3000 per year for that tuition. This was 20 years ago.

We told them we were underwriting their education, not an "experience in independence." After they graduated and moved out, they funded their independence with the benefit of a degree and without the burden of student loans.

Can an education still be gotten at a reasonable rate? I just checked the tuition at California State Universities for California residents: $6084/academic year for those carrying over six units. Still very affordable.

So it CAN be done if people put their minds to it. No, it doesn't include dorm living or what I call "faux independence", i.e., living separately from your parents and developing pricey Starbucks habits while they're picking up the tab, or taking out tens of thousands in loans to underwrite the adventure.

I should add that DD moved to NY for a year for her Masters. She had some scholarships, some tuition breaks, and took out loans that are now fully repaid. It remains a treasured life experience for her, one she often says she was ready for at 22, but not at 18.
 
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Getting an education can be extremely inexpensive, however, do not confuse it with credentials. An education in itself can improve the individual, but ain't gonna help you get a job. IMO.
 
Flarbalard said:
Getting an education can be extremely inexpensive, however, do not confuse it with credentials. An education in itself can improve the individual, but ain't gonna help you get a job. IMO.
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Disagree with this. Many jobs require a degree.
While an individual won't necessarily land a dream job with a degree, he/she won't even be in the running without one.
 
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I've always been fascinated with the idea that a person could choose a career. Be educated in a particular field and work at that all their lives. Thankfully they do because people like me get to enjoy the benefit.
 
Knight said:
I've always been fascinated with the idea that a person could choose a career. Be educated in a particular field and work at that all their lives. Thankfully they do because people like me get to enjoy the benefit.
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I fell into my career by pure happenstance. Never would have planned it in a million years. Apparel industry? LOL From childhood forward I never gave a whit about clothing - still don't - but stumbled into the industry and stayed.

What hooked me: Women made good money and our opinions/abilities were taken seriously rather. We weren't relegated to making coffee or typing.

Back then virtually all apparel company owners were Jewish, and (most) Jewish men were accustomed to powerful women rather than feeling threatened or being dismissive of them. It was a rarity in the 1970s.
 
Flarbalard said:
Getting an education can be extremely inexpensive, however, do not confuse it with credentials. An education in itself can improve the individual, but ain't gonna help you get a job. IMO.
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I agree ...........It is measuring school vs payoff.... and entirely on the student.....
i read many articles by people about their student debt and the headlines say a lot ...
"I signed up for loans without reading" . " I have a masters and zero experience and cannot get a job" are literal article titles.
how much $$ and school vs payoff.... Dr or lawyer or scientist Yes. spending 200,000 for a leg up on a 60,000 a yr job seems like bad math.

StarSong said:
Disagree with this. Many jobs require a degree.
While an individual won't necessarily land a dream job with a degree, he/she won't even be in the running without one.
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The reality is some businesses want a degree but simply do not care what the degree is in....
simply showing you went through enough school to get an AA / BA or BS is wanted on an application but what does that really convey to the JOB?
That is why many are backing away on the degree requirement or give experience an equal foot.

I have worked with many as the last decade i have chosen to do temp work ......
i often have gotten a last minute fill in job after a company HIRED a person with a higher degrees and a carefully crafted resume but candidate could not think on their feet and do the job....so i get call from my agency to step in when company fires the person.
 
What a load of crap. You're not going to become a lawyer without a law degree. You're not going to become an engineer without an engineering degree. You're not going to become a teacher without a teaching degree.

Sure, there might be a few exceptions for certain occupations, but a degree is required for most professions.
 
My kids worked (paid) internships in their fields during the last year or two of getting their Bachelor degrees.

For two of them, degrees remain crucial and required for the work they do. The third, not so much, however without it he never would have gotten his foot in the door and therefore learned and built the skills necessary to be in his field.
 
Agree, @HermitHogan. And those without degrees who do managed to get hired in certain fields, will soon find themselves bypassed for promotions in favor of those with degrees.

Educations (outside of law and medicine) can still be fair reasonable. Average US state university tuition for in-state schools is $10,940/ year.
 
StarSong said:
Disagree with this. Many jobs require a degree.
While an individual won't necessarily land a dream job with a degree, he/she won't even be in the running without one.
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A degree is a credential. A person can learn things by numerous avenues, they aren't gateways to being employed. I've sat in university libraries reading texts, and journals for my own enlightenment, a perspective employer wouldn't be impressed I can assure you. I just wanted to learn about something. Just because you have learned something doesn't mean someone is willing to pay you for it. Having a degree means you completed a course of study, not that you really have an education.
 
StarSong said:
Disagree with this. Many jobs require a degree.
While an individual won't necessarily land a dream job with a degree, he/she won't even be in the running without one.
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I graduated with a bachelors degree in economics. Being draft eligible I joined the Navy. That college degree got me into Officer Candidate School which in turn, after 5 years of supervising up to 60 men, set me up for a management job when I got out. Without that college degree, my life would not have been the same.
 
I obviously have been entirely misunderstood here. What I thought I was saying and what people think I meant are two different things. I'm leaving it at that and calling it a day.
 
StarSong said:
Agree, @HermitHogan. And those without degrees who do managed to get hired in certain fields, will soon find themselves bypassed for promotions in favor of those with degrees.

Educations (outside of law and medicine) can still be fair reasonable. Average US state university tuition for in-state schools is $10,940/ year.
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I can attest to that.

The education requirement for almost every job I ever had was bumped up to require a degree for my replacement.

I also trained many people with highly cherished advanced degrees and larger paychecks.

None of it matters, learn the rules of the game and play to win. If they want a degree, get a degree.

“Money changes everything.” - Cyndi Lauper
 
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Rich said:
The same goes on here with the farm workers. Many of them are from Mexico. I believe the answer to your question is that corporations are in business to make as much profit as possible. They're not really interested in the quality of life of their employees, at least not enough to pay a living wage.
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My husband ran a business for 30 years so I'm well aware of the interests of businesses. However, governments are elected by 'the people' and allowing businesses to abuse this situation like they are, is a betrayal of the voters in my opinion. At least our government is changing the numbers that they will approve going forward. Seems like they are listening.
 
ChiroDoc said:
I'm not sure how you interpreted that I "got all worked up", and then "went after you". Sometimes these discussions quickly turn emotional when one's faith or philosophy is challenged by facts.

You're entitled to your belief system, and certainly there are many in Canada who share your opinions.
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Instead of being realistic, you offer up this pretend scenario of $100 minimum wage. What was the point of that? And I'm not sure what beliefs you're 'accusing' me of or which opinions I share with others. I also don't believe that I've gotten emotional about anything, particularly my 'faith' or philosophy to which you allude. But if you insist on reading things into my comment, then so be it. You are likewise entitled.
 
There would be no need for a minimum wage in a classless society. I see no reason to have an upper class with such staggering differences in personal wealth. It makes the whole system of domestic tranquility impossible. I wonder why we don't hold our constitution as the guide to wages/personal wealth. Whatever and how ever it is arranged, it should be for the well being of the masses.
 

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