Switzerland withdraws covid vaccines and recommendations.

Except in unique cases, doctors are now forbidden to administer the covid vaccine in Switzerland, even to high risk patients and doctors can be held liable for vaccine injuries. The vaccine has been deemed both unsafe and ineffective. Spike proteins kill brain cells.
Looks like the narrative has completely crumbled. I feel sorry for all the people who were coerced into this.
Huh? Vaccination is still considered to be “wise” in individual cases if recommended by a doctor.

“For people at high risk, including those aged 65 and older, the immunocompromised and pregnant women, the FOPH stated that they can still receive a vaccine after an individual consultation with their doctor.
“Vaccination may be wise in individual cases, as it improves protection against developing severe COVID-19 for several months. This applies regardless of the number of vaccinations you have already received,” the FOPH added.”
https://urbancare.clinic/switzerland-no-longer-recommends-covid-19-vaccination-heres-why/
 

Huh? Vaccination is still considered to be “wise” in individual cases if recommended by a doctor.
Those are the key words. But during the pandemic, power and politics took over, and doctors were ordered to abide by protocols and policies that weren't individualized at all. They were blanket decisions, cookie-cutter protocols, one-size-fits-all policies and I'm sure greed was behind it.
 
Those are the key words. But during the pandemic, power and politics took over, and doctors were ordered to abide by protocols and policies that weren't individualized at all. They were blanket decisions, cookie-cutter protocols, one-size-fits-all policies and I'm sure greed was behind it.
Greed? Just curious. Do you believe in other vaccines — Measles, Mumps, Shingles, Hepatitis, for instance?
 

during the pandemic, power and politics took over, and doctors were ordered to abide by protocols and policies that weren't individualized at all
Is that true? Were doctors ordered to give the vaccine? By whom?

Maybe California was different. I know in my case my doctor didn't get it himself and didn't recommend it to anyone. Unless asked he didn't say much. He ended up getting Covid pretty bad spent a while in the hospital. Not sure what his stance was after that.

Doctor's offices were not where people here got vaccinated here. At first most were done by the state health department, then by pharmacies, no doctors involved. Never even available at the clinic I go to.

No vaccinations were ever required, however some people had jobs that required the vaccinations. Don't know of anyone here losing a job over it, but probably happened.
 
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Apparently, that conspiracy theory originated in the report24.news propaganda outlet:
https://report24.news/paukenschlag-...covid-impfempfehlungen-zurueck/?feed_id=29350

It was posted on Twitter and went viral.

Here is a little blurb on their website about the editor:
Florian Machl
As of March 1st, he took on the role of editor-in-chief and publisher. He is unconditionally committed to the search for truth. Readers appreciate his talent for summarizing and describing complex issues in a comprehensible manner. He is used to being attacked by radical leftists for his fight for freedom of expression. In his view, the truth has no “political gimmick”; it must always be allowed to report it or to discuss it in a civilized manner. He despises purchased system journalism.

:ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 
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Is that true? Were doctors ordered to give the vaccine? By whom?

Maybe California was different. I know in my case my doctor didn't get it himself and didn't recommend it to anyone. Unless asked he didn't say much. He ended up getting Covid pretty bad spent a while in the hospital. Not sure what his stance was after that.

Doctor's offices were not where people here got vaccinated here. At first most were done by the state health department, then by pharmacies, no doctors involved. Never even available at the clinic I go to.

No vaccinations were ever required, however some people had jobs that required the vaccinations. Don't know of anyone here losing a job over it, but probably happened.
Yes, by the hospitals and clinics where they worked. The hospitals and clinics followed recommendations from the CDC and WHO. Many state governments then issued mandatory vaccine policies based on those recommendations.

In Calif, it was elderly first, healthcare workers next, then employed people over a certain age...30, I think, or 30-something; I don't remember exactly. Then school aged children were next, but most states opted for remote learning instead. Then the vaccine was made mandatory for students to returning to school, but that was decided by individual district school boards, and and most (if not all) of them gave parents the option to continue remote learning instead.

People here in Sacramento lost jobs and some businesses were forced to close in 2020....mostly restaurants, barbers, and hair and nail salons, as far as I know. Dozens of them were unable to reopen. Some that did reopen had to close permanently a few months later.

My local barber reopened 3 times. He just couldn't get enough clients back to keep going, but he paid his rent the whole time, even while he was closed. He just reopened a 4th time last month, but he can't hire anyone yet. His 2 hired barbers went to work somewhere else, but not as barbers. They'd been with him since he first opened in 2009.

My daughter (in-law) lost her hostess/waitress/bartend job at a very popular restaurant in late 2020, but was hired back just a few months later when the restaurant decided to close the dining areas and do take-out orders only. They reopened fully about a year ago, I'd say, and she got her hostess/waitress/bartend position back. She got a really good raise, too, basically for sticking with them during those difficult times.
 
Greed? Just curious. Do you believe in other vaccines — Measles, Mumps, Shingles, Hepatitis, for instance?
Yes. Those are not mRna vaccines, though. They are traditional vaccines that do not contain genetic material.

Traditional vaccines contain weakened or dead viruses or weakened or dead parts of viruses that trigger an immune response.

Since covid was such a serious emergency, it astounds me that a traditional vaccine wasn't used while the mRna vaccine went through all the tests and trials that are normally required before approval.

Big Pharma was about half-way there already. They'd done the initial tests and trials....most of which had poor results, btw. IMO, their final test and trial was done on huge populations of people at the start of the pandemic. Before then, they'd only tested the mRna vaccine on mice. Eight mice, to be exact.
 
Went to the Swiss Federal website.
https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/en/hom...le-ausbrueche-epidemien/novel-cov/impfen.html

It does not forbit the Covid vaccine, nor does it deem the vaccine as unsafe, ineffective, or suggest anything about spike proteins killing brain cells.

Here is what it says, verbatim:

"Is vaccination recommended for spring/summer 2023?​


In principle, no COVID-19 vaccination is recommended for spring/summer 2023. Nearly everyone in Switzerland has been vaccinated and/or contracted and recovered from COVID-19. Their immune system has therefore been exposed to the coronavirus. In spring/summer 2023, the virus will likely circulate less. The current virus variants also cause rather mild illness. For autumn 2023, the vaccination recommendation will be evaluated again and adjusted accordingly

What applies to people at especially high risk?​


In principle, it is also not currently recommended for people at especially high risk to receive a COVID-19 vaccination. They can, however, receive a vaccination following an individual consultation with their doctor. Vaccination may be wise in individual cases, as it improves protection against developing severe COVID-19 for several months. This applies regardless of the number of vaccinations you have already received.

People at especially high risk include:
  • People aged 65 or over
  • People aged 16 or over with a chronic condition
  • People aged 16 or over with Down’s syndrome
  • Pregnant women

If a wave of infection were to emerge in spring/summer 2023, the vaccination recommendation would be adjusted."
Thank you.
 
Is that true? Were doctors ordered to give the vaccine? By whom?

Maybe California was different. I know in my case my doctor didn't get it himself and didn't recommend it to anyone. Unless asked he didn't say much. He ended up getting Covid pretty bad spent a while in the hospital. Not sure what his stance was after that.

Doctor's offices were not where people here got vaccinated here. At first most were done by the state health department, then by pharmacies, no doctors involved. Never even available at the clinic I go to.

No vaccinations were ever required, however some people had jobs that required the vaccinations. Don't know of anyone here losing a job over it, but probably happened.
I'm in CA and went to the parking lot of my (very large) medical group to get vaccinated, not my doctor's office. Plenty of pharmacies vaccinated people, too. My daughter and SIL were vaccinated at a California State University parking lot. Most of my family members weren't required to be vaccinated, but my sister and DIL, both of whom work in hospitals were mandated, and were vaccinated in December 2020.
 
Yes. Those are not mRna vaccines, though. They are traditional vaccines that do not contain genetic material.

Traditional vaccines contain weakened or dead viruses or weakened or dead parts of viruses that trigger an immune response.

Since covid was such a serious emergency, it astounds me that a traditional vaccine wasn't used while the mRna vaccine went through all the tests and trials that are normally required before approval.

Big Pharma was about half-way there already. They'd done the initial tests and trials....most of which had poor results, btw. IMO, their final test and trial was done on huge populations of people at the start of the pandemic. Before then, they'd only tested the mRna vaccine on mice. Eight mice, to be exact.
Nope, it was a booster that was tweaked for a new variant.

An earlier bivalent booster — one that targeted the BA.1 subvariant — has already found to be safe. The slight tweak to focus it on BA.5 was not nearly enough to affect how safe it is.

“They did all the studies you were supposed to do to show the safety of that, and BA.1 and BA.5 are very similar,” said Dr. David Wohl, an infectious disease expert at the University of North Carolina School of Medicine. “And so there’s really no reason to think that there should be anything different.”

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration says it bases its decision for these new bivalent vaccines in part on the clinical study of the BA.1-focused shots that are similar to the newest ones.

“We know that by just putting in a little genetic variation in the vaccine of the virus, that that does not impact on the safety of the virus because the manufacturing process is identical, minus the small amount of genetic material that is tailored to the new variant,” MacDonald said.

That process might sound familiar — the flu shots we get every year are developed the same way.
https://www.cbs17.com/community/hea...: Multiple skeptics on,on tests in eight mice.
 
Yes. Those are not mRna vaccines, though. They are traditional vaccines that do not contain genetic material.

Traditional vaccines contain weakened or dead viruses or weakened or dead parts of viruses that trigger an immune response.
Those weakened viruses contain lots of genetic material, including DNA. And probably RNA.

Why would you fear mRNA more than viral DNA or RNA?

Measles Vaccine Virus RNA in Children More Than 100 Days after Vaccination​

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6669751/
 
I'm in CA and went to the parking lot of my (very large) medical group to get vaccinated, not my doctor's office. Plenty of pharmacies vaccinated people, too. My daughter and SIL were vaccinated at a California State University parking lot. Most of my family members weren't required to be vaccinated, but my sister and DIL, both of whom work in hospitals were mandated, and were vaccinated in December 2020.
I didn't get any of my vaccines in my doctor's office. Early on in the pandemic, Kaiser Permanente had a special event in one of their facilities for the COVID-19 vaccination, which is where I took my first two Moderna shots. All other boosters were received at either Walgreens or CVS pharmacy. My husband had his shots in a drive up event outside a local library, Sam's Club and CVS. I never spoke to anyone in real life, professional or otherwise, who discouraged taking the vaccination for this deadly virus.
 
Those weakened viruses contain lots of genetic material, including DNA. And probably RNA.

Why would you fear mRNA more than viral DNA or RNA?

Measles Vaccine Virus RNA in Children More Than 100 Days after Vaccination​

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6669751/
One reason is because traditional vaccines have been in use for several decades; tried, tested, and proven effective and safe for people who don't have any type of sensitivity to their ingredients.

Not so of mRna vaccines prior to the roll-out.

A few more reasons are that the mRNA vaccines rely on genetic engineering and nanotechnology, and had not been approved for general use in large populations until COVID-19. Prior to that, in vitro study results looked fairly encouraging, but not encouraging enough for approval, and the vaccine's effectiveness varied quite a bit from one producer to another. It kept failing to impress the FDA from 2010 to 2019.

Also, the mRna vaccine is delivered in a fluid containing lipids which are shown to cause inflammation in vital organs. The FDA was told the vaccine could not to get into the bloodstream, but it does. It's components leech right through vessel walls, and have been found in tissues of the heart, liver, kidneys, your testicles, brain... they've been found in every organ that's been investigated, and they cause inflammation. Most researchers are saying it's the lipid nanoparticles specifically that are causing inflammation (when attacked by our immune system).

And the virus's spike protein has been found in the cells of various organ tissues as well, and that definitely wasn't supposed to happen, and it also triggers an unwanted immune response (inflammation). Some medical researchers fear that this could cause malignant growths.
 
Nope, it was a booster that was tweaked for a new variant.

An earlier bivalent booster — one that targeted the BA.1 subvariant — has already found to be safe. The slight tweak to focus it on BA.5 was not nearly enough to affect how safe it is.

“They did all the studies you were supposed to do to show the safety of that, and BA.1 and BA.5 are very similar,” said Dr. David Wohl, an infectious disease expert at the University of North Carolina School of Medicine. “And so there’s really no reason to think that there should be anything different.”

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration says it bases its decision for these new bivalent vaccines in part on the clinical study of the BA.1-focused shots that are similar to the newest ones.

“We know that by just putting in a little genetic variation in the vaccine of the virus, that that does not impact on the safety of the virus because the manufacturing process is identical, minus the small amount of genetic material that is tailored to the new variant,” MacDonald said.

That process might sound familiar — the flu shots we get every year are developed the same way.
https://www.cbs17.com/community/health/coronavirus/fact-check-were-new-covid-19-boosters-tested-in-just-8-mice-should-it-matter/#:~:text=THE CLAIM: Multiple skeptics on,on tests in eight mice.
The problem with all that tweaking is, by the time a tweaked booster is available for a specific variant, a newer variant escapes its protection. That's why the CDC recommended a booster every 3 or 4 months for a while there....in mid-2022.
 
Americans were dropping like flies in 2020 and many big city hospitals were jam-packed, which is why approval of this vaccine was thankfully hurried along by Donald Trump. The work on it began during the SARS crisis many years earlier, but since that virus fizzled sooner than expected, work on the vaccine was halted. Covid is quite similar (same family) to the original SARS and that earlier work was the foundation for the Covid vaccine. In fact, the virus is named SARS-Cov-2.

In 2020 my son worked closely with Italian vendors. Covid was rampaging there - so many deaths. His work friends in Italy described their experience and begged him to only work from home and not go out any more than absolutely necessary for survival.

Source of the graphic:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html
 

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One reason is because traditional vaccines have been in use for several decades; tried, tested, and proven effective and safe for people who don't have any type of sensitivity to their ingredients.

Not so of mRna vaccines prior to the roll-out.
I know that is true, however at the time there was a sense of urgency, just not time for the kind of testing you are talking about. For better or worse that was the decision we made.
A few more reasons are that the mRNA vaccines rely on genetic engineering and nanotechnology, and had not been approved for general use in large populations until COVID-19. Prior to that, in vitro study results looked fairly encouraging, but not encouraging enough for approval, and the vaccine's effectiveness varied quite a bit from one producer to another. It kept failing to impress the FDA from 2010 to 2019.

Also, the mRna vaccine is delivered in a fluid containing lipids which are shown to cause inflammation in vital organs. The FDA was told the vaccine could not to get into the bloodstream, but it does. It's components leech right through vessel walls, and have been found in tissues of the heart, liver, kidneys, your testicles, brain... they've been found in every organ that's been investigated, and they cause inflammation. Most researchers are saying it's the lipid nanoparticles specifically that are causing inflammation (when attacked by our immune system).

And the virus's spike protein has been found in the cells of various organ tissues as well, and that definitely wasn't supposed to happen, and it also triggers an unwanted immune response (inflammation). Some medical researchers fear that this could cause malignant growths.
I am sure these things are true, but do they point to a harmful thing? It seems to me the simplest way to look at that is to look at the overall death rates of those who got vaccinated and those that didn't. The data I've been able to find indicates people who got vaccinated were less likely to die, of all causes, than those who didn't. That's based on data from a wide variety of sources, not on expert (or non-expert) opinions, which vary all over the place on this.

Had we taken more time and testing we probably could have come up with a better vaccine, but it would not have been available as early as this one was. I'm not surprised that its not as effective as some of the older vaccines, really more surprising that its been effective at all.

I think there are legitimate questions to be asked about how all of this happened, one important one would be if the economic damage was justified. I think we need to investigate those questions in an unbiased way and learn from what happened. To do that we need to figure out how to keep politics and the desire to blame people or organizations out of it. There will be more pandemics and some day much worse ones. We need to learn what we can from this to better manage our future, its important.
 
I know that is true, however at the time there was a sense of urgency, just not time for the kind of testing you are talking about. For better or worse that was the decision we made.

I am sure these things are true, but do they point to a harmful thing? It seems to me the simplest way to look at that is to look at the overall death rates of those who got vaccinated and those that didn't. The data I've been able to find indicates people who got vaccinated were less likely to die, of all causes, than those who didn't. That's based on data from a wide variety of sources, not on expert (or non-expert) opinions, which vary all over the place on this.

Had we taken more time and testing we probably could have come up with a better vaccine, but it would not have been available as early as this one was. I'm not surprised that its not as effective as some of the older vaccines, really more surprising that its been effective at all.

I think there are legitimate questions to be asked about how all of this happened, one important one would be if the economic damage was justified. I think we need to investigate those questions in an unbiased way and learn from what happened. To do that we need to figure out how to keep politics and the desire to blame people or organizations out of it. There will be more pandemics and some day much worse ones. We need to learn what we can from this to better manage our future, its important.
Because of the urgency, and because all major pharmaceutical companies have nearly 80 years of practice and trials, I will never understand why they didn't develop a traditional vaccine, at least initially, and I can't imagine why the FDA didn't insist on that. The FDA would have rushed it through. Why rush approval on something totally new, never tested on humans, with unknown side effects? Especially when its limited trial results up to 2019 (since 2010) were poor.

True, SARS Co-V 2 was a new virus, but new viruses are nothing new. I am certainly no expert, but I know that the foundational components, characteristics and behaviors of all viruses are very similar. All those features are what classifies them as viruses. So it just makes sense to me that creating a traditional vaccine would be the first move.

Unless - and I really hesitate to say this because I'm not a conspiracy theorist either - unless it was known from the beginning that SARS Co-V 2 was an intentionally genetically altered version of an existing coronavirus. There are several coronavirus that are infectious to humans, the first discovered in the early or mid 1950s....'54, if I remember correctly.

"...do they point to a harmful thing?" Not 100% known, but very likely, yes. Researchers are seeing the vaccine's genetic material and potentially dangerous nanoparticles/nanolipids in people's vital organs. That's not a good thing, and had a traditional vaccine been used this would not have occurred. According to some published reports, the actual virus's genetic material has been seen in some organs as well, post-mortem, so, in that regard, the mRna vaccine carries the same risks as the infection itself.

There are some excellent doctors posting video lectures and generally informative videos about all this on YouTube pretty regularly. Some of the ones I follow are Dr. John Campbell, Drbeen Medical Lectures, Medicine with Dr. Moran, Dr. Suneel Dhand (holistic), an excellent French-Canadian doctor's channel called Merogenomics. I watch a handful of others, too, but mostly these. And mostly they discuss the latest studies, most recent findings, and most recent medical journal publications.
 
I will never understand why they didn't develop a traditional vaccine, at least initially, and I can't imagine why the FDA didn't insist on that. The FDA would have rushed it through.
I don't think that would have been possible to have done as quickly. Traditional vaccines take years, we still don't have one for things like AIDS or many others, see Vaccine Nation: 10 most important diseases without a licensed vaccine https://blogs.bcm.edu/2013/09/03/va...mportant-diseases-without-a-licensed-vaccine/ If we had gone the traditional route we still might not have a vaccine.

There are some excellent doctors posting video lectures and generally informative videos about all this on YouTube pretty regularly. Some of the ones I follow are Dr. John Campbell, Drbeen Medical Lectures, Medicine with Dr. Moran, Dr. Suneel Dhand (holistic), an excellent French-Canadian doctor's channel called Merogenomics. I watch a handful of others, too, but mostly these. And mostly they discuss the latest studies, most recent findings, and most recent medical journal publications.
I have seen some of those, you have posted about them before. I can't argue with them, they know a lot more about medical science than I do. Problem is there are as many, probably more well qualified experts who disagree. That's why I fall back on the simplest thing I can understand. The fact that after injecting hundreds of millions of people the death rate amongst the vaccinated is lower than the unvaccinated. If there were something wrong with the vaccine that wouldn't be true.
 
I don't think that would have been possible to have done as quickly. Traditional vaccines take years, we still don't have one for things like AIDS or many others, see Vaccine Nation: 10 most important diseases without a licensed vaccine https://blogs.bcm.edu/2013/09/03/va...mportant-diseases-without-a-licensed-vaccine/ If we had gone the traditional route we still might not have a vaccine.


I have seen some of those, you have posted about them before. I can't argue with them, they know a lot more about medical science than I do. Problem is there are as many, probably more well qualified experts who disagree. That's why I fall back on the simplest thing I can understand. The fact that after injecting hundreds of millions of people the death rate amongst the vaccinated is lower than the unvaccinated. If there were something wrong with the vaccine that wouldn't be true.
"I don't think that would have been possible to have done as quickly." We disagree on that, but I'm sure we agree that that's absolutely ok.

The thing about the doctors I follow on YouTube is that they all present the data and findings of the latest medical studies, reports, and investigations, which saves me many hours of searching online. And these aren't studies that take a side or whatever, they're just research studies.

"after injecting hundreds of millions of people the death rate amongst the vaccinated is lower than the unvaccinated. If there were something wrong with the vaccine that wouldn't be true."
I have to disagree with you there, too. Certainly, the vaccine saved lives, but there have been serious long-term injuries as well, some quite debilitating. (There were hundreds of vaccine-related deaths, as well, but they are a very small percentage of the millions who were vaccinated, and traditional vaccines have also caused deaths.)

IMO there should have been mass testing and quarantine of the infected rather than the goal of vaccinating 75% to 80% of the population with an experimental vaccine.
 
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"I don't think that would have been possible to have done as quickly." We disagree on that, but I'm sure we agree that that's absolutely ok.

The thing about the doctors I follow on YouTube is that they all present the data and findings of the latest medical studies, reports, and investigations, which saves me many hours of searching online. And these aren't studies that take a side or whatever, they're just research studies.
The studies don't take sides, but the people interpreting the studies sure as hell do. They wouldn't have the following they do if they didn't spin the findings to conform to certain agendas.

I prefer to go directly to the source.
 
The studies don't take sides, but the people interpreting the studies sure as hell do. They wouldn't have the following they do if they didn't spin the findings to conform to certain agendas.

I prefer to go directly to the source.
Not all of the ones I watch. Most of them just tell or show the results of various studies.

The few I watch who do give an opinion or interpretation always say "Here is the data, this is my opinion (or interpretation), links to the studies are below, read them and decide for yourself."

These are not politicians, Ben. They're doctors. Their lectures are about disease, not politics.
 

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