Syrian Refugee Crisis

Shalimar said:
Not their battles fought for them? Mon Dieu, c'est tragique! If these battles are not fought "for them," zillions of innocents will continue to suffer heinous torment, slavery, rape, death etc. at the hands of monsters. That is simply not acceptable. These are not nameless statistics but human beings, not a "horde." In my book, principals outweigh convenience.
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Have these refugees asked for help in overthrowing Assad. Have they rushed to or demanded to speak to Western intelligence agencies with usable intelligence. What are there demands or requests. It actually seems like demands right now.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3227436/Syrian-refugees-turned-Lesbos-war-zone-residents-claim-migrants-chant-f-Hungarian-police-amid-fears-ISIS-using-crisis-enter-Europe.html






Horde is correct spelling.

http://www.educationbug.org/a/hoard-vs-horde.html
 

If just 1% of these refugees are Die Hard Muslims, and ISIS sympathizers, the nations taking these people in could be exposing their existing populations to thousands of potential terrorists. When these "refugees" find little in the way of jobs opportunities, and the governments taking them in are having to "manipulate" their social/welfare programs to keep them fed and housed, the frustrations are going to start setting in....in Both population groups.

Don't be too surprised if there isn't a substantial increase in terrorist activities in the Western nations that get involved with this "resettlement", a year or two down the road. I wonder what the reaction of today's "sympathizers" will be when Europe, Australia, etc., start seeing a major increase in things like suicide bombings.
 
Don M. said:
If just 1% of these refugees are Die Hard Muslims, and ISIS sympathizers, the nations taking these people in could be exposing their existing populations to thousands of potential terrorists. When these "refugees" find little in the way of jobs opportunities, and the governments taking them in are having to "manipulate" their social/welfare programs to keep them fed and housed, the frustrations are going to start setting in....in Both population groups.

Don't be too surprised if there isn't a substantial increase in terrorist activities in the Western nations that get involved with this "resettlement", a year or two down the road. I wonder what the reaction of today's "sympathizers" will be when Europe, Australia, etc., start seeing a major increase in things like suicide bombings.
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Everyone wants to feel all warm and fuzzy now but one need only look at the Mariel Boat Lift of 1980 when Castro cleaned up his jails and dumped his societal problems on the US with a high crime rate attributed to many Mariel Cubans several years later.

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/1985-09-26/news/8502100720_1_mariel-boatlift-criminals

This is not just an example for the US but Europe as well. This is a perfect example of why a country needs a controlled and calculated immigration process.

Also immigrants legal or not can strain government aid budgets. A recent study in the US shows over half the new immigrants using government aid programs which conflicts with the rationalization of 'contributing' immigrants.

http://www.hngn.com/articles/128225...ke-up-75-percent-of-immigrant-welfare-use.htm

Strained budgets and services and lack of jobs/income do not bode well for any country & society. Greece is perfect recent example of that.

Slow controlled immigration, not massive migration which is nothing but a population shift.
 

QuickSilver said:
Wait... are they running from the Syrian government... or ISIS... and don't forget Russia is in there helping Assad now.. So who should they riot against?
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These people don't know who invaded them, destroyed their homes, treated them like crap??? I would go to a safER region to plot my return. Revolutionaries have done that for centuries.
 
Enough is enough is enough! :mad:

We have lost control of borders, says EU chief: Warning hours before summit comes as Britain faces £150m bill to support other nations despite not taking part in resettlement programme

  • Britain faces £150million bill to fund EU scheme to deal with migrant crisis
  • Jean-Claude Juncker told countries: 'put their money where your mouth is'
  • Demand made despite Britain saying it does not want to be part of scheme
  • It came as the EU Council president said refugees 'feel invited' to Europe
  • Donald Tusk said EU at 'critical point' and needs to regain border control
By JOHN STEVENS, BRUSSELS CORRESPONDENT FOR THE DAILY MAIL and SAM TONKIN FOR MAILONLINE
PUBLISHED: 00:50, 24 September 2015 | UPDATED: 09:13, 24 September 2015




Britain faces the prospect of having to pay more than £150million to fund a controversial EU scheme to deal with the migrant crisis on the continent, it was revealed last night.
Announcing that the EU is to spend an extra £1.25billion on emergency support to European countries, EU police officers and humanitarian aid, Jean-Claude Juncker told countries including Britain it was time to 'put their money where your mouth is'.
The demand was made despite Britain's repeated insistence that it does not want to be part of the resettlement programme.
It followed a warning last night that millions more refugees will flood into Europe because the EU has lost control of its borders, according to one of its most senior officials.
 
This problem, issue, crisis what ever has to be taken back to it's source and/or region of the world. I still find it baffling that all these people can find the money, effort and time for planning to illegally immigrate/cross another country's border and yet can't find it in them to fight back in any fashion. There are covert ops skills in illegal border crossing, fence jumping, storming, smuggling etc. Running away from a problem does not solve it even in the country voluntarily chose to illegally go into.
 
Don M. said:
If just 1% of these refugees are Die Hard Muslims, and ISIS sympathizers, the nations taking these people in could be exposing their existing populations to thousands of potential terrorists. When these "refugees" find little in the way of jobs opportunities, and the governments taking them in are having to "manipulate" their social/welfare programs to keep them fed and housed, the frustrations are going to start setting in....in Both population groups.

Don't be too surprised if there isn't a substantial increase in terrorist activities in the Western nations that get involved with this "resettlement", a year or two down the road. I wonder what the reaction of today's "sympathizers" will be when Europe, Australia, etc., start seeing a major increase in things like suicide bombings.
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I agree, it's only a matter of time.
 
QS, if the president exercises his veto, what if anything will happen to those forty five (I think,) democrats who voted with the republicans? Or were they voting strategically, hoping to keep their seats in next election?
 
Shalimar said:
QS, if the president exercises his veto, what if anything will happen to those forty five (I think,) democrats who voted with the republicans? Or were they voting strategically, hoping to keep their seats in next election?
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They will need 2 dems change the vote to over-ride the veto.. The Senate will need 66. I'm interested to see the senate vote count. Both the Senate and the House needs 2/3 votes to beat a veto
 
Don M. said:
If just 1% of these refugees are Die Hard Muslims, and ISIS sympathizers, the nations taking these people in could be exposing their existing populations to thousands of potential terrorists. When these "refugees" find little in the way of jobs opportunities, and the governments taking them in are having to "manipulate" their social/welfare programs to keep them fed and housed, the frustrations are going to start setting in....in Both population groups.

Don't be too surprised if there isn't a substantial increase in terrorist activities in the Western nations that get involved with this "resettlement", a year or two down the road. I wonder what the reaction of today's "sympathizers" will be when Europe, Australia, etc., start seeing a major increase in things like suicide bombings.
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The illegal immigrants here are already taking jobs away from our citizens, Don, and some are having to train the illegals to take over their jobs. Much frustration for them.
 
Don M. said:
If just 1% of these refugees are Die Hard Muslims, and ISIS sympathizers, the nations taking these people in could be exposing their existing populations to thousands of potential terrorists. When these "refugees" find little in the way of jobs opportunities, and the governments taking them in are having to "manipulate" their social/welfare programs to keep them fed and housed, the frustrations are going to start setting in....in Both population groups.

Don't be too surprised if there isn't a substantial increase in terrorist activities in the Western nations that get involved with this "resettlement", a year or two down the road. I wonder what the reaction of today's "sympathizers" will be when Europe, Australia, etc., start seeing a major increase in things like suicide bombings.
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I think you've said it all and I agree. The one thing preventing the US from experiencing more ISIS terrorist attacks is the Atlantic ocean spearating us from them. Allow Syrian refugees into our country and that advantage is gone.

I'm sorry for refugees genuinely trying to escape these terrorists, but my country's people and their safety must come first.
 
Most of these refugees are women and children who have been through hell - torture, lack of food. Some of the ones who arrived in Scotland were missing limbs. All of those being settled here are family groups.
 
Annie, most people over here live somewhat protected lives. Few have any personal experience with hunger, torture, living completely unprotected in a war zone. There seems to be among many an attitude that somehow some of these people are

wimps, who did nothing to fight for their country to eradicate the persons responsible for their plight. These are not soldiers, but civilians---often targeted because of religious or ethnic differences unacceptable to the perps. Again and again, experts

affirm that these refugees are not a source of danger. Sadly, people cover their ears. Panic has no logic. Daesh is already winning. If no viewed as possible terrorists, these refugees are labeled cowards. Hello, Islamophobia. Xenophobia, isolationism.
 
Shalimar said:
Annie, most people over here live somewhat protected lives. Few have any personal experience with hunger, torture, living completely unprotected in a war zone. There seems to be among many an attitude that somehow some of these people are

wimps, who did nothing to fight for their country to eradicate the persons responsible for their plight. These are not soldiers, but civilians---often targeted because of religious or ethnic differences unacceptable to the perps. Again and again, experts

affirm that these refugees are not a source of danger. Sadly, people cover their ears. Panic has no logic. Daesh is already winning. If no viewed as possible terrorists, these refugees are labeled cowards. Hello, Islamophobia. Xenophobia, isolationism.
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Aye, understand. The media keeps suggesting that some terrorists can sneak in with the refugees. And I can understand that people are afraid. But they seem to visualise the big mobs of refugees and think they are just sticking them on planes without checking them out and finding out their histories. The ones coming to the UK are chosen by UNHCR and those with medical problems or have been tortured get preference. And they are families. I guess if the kids were christians and had light skin with blond hair and blue eyes people would be much more willing to take care of them.
 
QFT. Annie. If this concern were real, thousands of vets would not be homeless, neither would there be thousands of children--many far below the age of adolescence on the streets of America. straw argument indeed. I recall quite clearly in earlier

threads, some very scathing remarks made towards the homeless, either hauling out the drug card, or rolling out the haul yourself up by your bootstraps chesnuts. Goodness, what if someone actually received something for nothing! The great thing

about the politics of shame and blame, is that they allow us to simultaneously feel righteous about our wealth, without needing to find the crowbar necessary to pry our wallet out of our pocket and share with anyone that doesn't fit our narrow view of worthiness.
 
Fear of terrorists among planned immigrants is misguided. The lesson fom the Paris horror, is that preventing long term disenchantment requires a warm economic welcome manifesting in social integration. History teaches us the recurring

tragedies of poverty and exclusion --very close to home on this continent.
 

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