Tax All Dollars That Are Wired Abroad 20%

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Lon

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This makes complete sense to me as a way to pay for the wall. Some of that money is Federal Benefit money anyway, it's not all from wages.
 

I'm going to have to disagree with you there Lon, not all people living in America receive benefits and some of them earn their money by investing in their own businesses so then why should they be taxed 20 percent? It's not a one fit all problem nor is it a one fit all solution either.
 
If this 20% surcharge on any U.S. dollars to leave our shores applied to ALL corporate profits, CEO salaries, etc. I would agree with the idea. There would have to be some means of assuring no loop-holes where the extremely wealthy and large corporations could no longer hide money in offshore accounts without paying that 20%.
 

It doesn't matter where the money came from or how it was earned. The point is once it is sent abroad it can no longer benefit the U.S.
 
so you mean to say if a person came from australia and sold their home over there and then moved to the US and brought a home here, then say in 15 or 20 years decided to sell everything and move back home to their country with the money that they originally made over there then it's just bad luck because they brought it into the us and then are wanting to take it back home with them? sorry but in instances such as this i do not agree with you. For large businesses and corporations of course but not the normal everyday person.
 
Well, there are education and healthcare benefits. And, of course, their children born here are a source of benefit income to the parents.
 
For the first and possibly only time I will agree with Lon. Not necessarily to pay for a stupid ineffective ceremonial wall, but just one more tool to act as a disincentive to illegal immigration of people and unethical exportation of jobs.
 
Robusta and Lon,

I have a question for you both. What about the legal immigrants who enter the country legally and pay thousands of dollars to immigration to obtain their green card and citizenship?
what about the ones who worked all their lives and sold their homes and assets back home in their country so as to make a life with their new american husbands and or wives? just like the Americans who move and migrate overseas and marry oversease?

Lon, lets take you for eg, should new zealand have charged you 20 percent on the sale of your house over there because you took the money out of new zealand? don't be a hypocrite if it's ok for you and you've done it then why is it not ok for others? like i said before for corporate business sure i don't have a problem but for the avarage person then no.
 
Peanut said:
Robusta and Lon,

I have a question for you both. What about the legal immigrants who enter the country legally and pay thousands of dollars to immigration to obtain their green card and citizenship?
what about the ones who worked all their lives and sold their homes and assets back home in their country so as to make a life with their new american husbands and or wives? just like the Americans who move and migrate overseas and marry oversease?


Lon, lets take you for eg, should new zealand have charged you 20 percent on the sale of your house over there because you took the money out of new zealand? don't be a hypocrite if it's ok for you and you've done it then why is it not ok for others? like i said before for corporate business sure i don't have a problem but for the avarage person then no.
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the percentage of home owners affected with the topic under discussion is minuscule compared to the numbers involved. Just like any another tax and tariff consideration the people filing could be exempt under some type of home owner protection plan form 1026 3a to be filed {and passed with the main body of legislation}
 
Ray said:
Well, there are education and healthcare benefits. And, of course, their children born here are a source of benefit income to the parents.
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The "education benefits" you talk about are not dollars and cents. It's sending your kids to a school here. You can't wire that back home.

There are no healthcare benefits, except that the child born here would get what's available to everyone else; can't sent that home, either.

The CHILD, if born here, can apply for food stamps, etc, and whatever else is available, because he is a US citizen if born here. If not, no. The benefits would be for the child. Anyway, food stamp type benefits are a pittance, anyway.

I don't know where everybody gets this idea that illegal immigrants come here and get all this government welfare -- it just isn't so. Now, if we bring in refugees, that's a whole different colored horse -- they would get stipends, housing help and other bennies I'm not sure about.
 
Butterfly said:
The "education benefits" you talk about are not dollars and cents. It's sending your kids to a school here. You can't wire that back home.

There are no healthcare benefits, except that the child born here would get what's available to everyone else; can't sent that home, either.

The CHILD, if born here, can apply for food stamps, etc, and whatever else is available, because he is a US citizen if born here. If not, no. The benefits would be for the child. Anyway, food stamp type benefits are a pittance, anyway.

I don't know where everybody gets this idea that illegal immigrants come here and get all this government welfare -- it just isn't so. Now, if we bring in refugees, that's a whole different colored horse -- they would get stipends, housing help and other bennies I'm not sure about.
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I was commenting on benefits not "send home" money. Education costs certainly are dollars and cents. Healthcare benefits - of course they are available. A person can not be asked their status at the ER. Food stamps - pittance or not they are an expense brought about by people illegally in the country.
 
I am talking about the thousands of people in the US,some legal and some not, that are working and send some of their earnings to family living abroad. I would like to see those funds taxed. Difference in currency exchange rates will impact the net proceeds received.
 
In my area the ag interests use itinerate labor almost year round. Usually crews of 15 or so folks. They are housed by the farmers in while not luxurious perfectly adequate quarters. Mostly single men with one or two married couples. They spend almost nothing in the community. They bring in most of their provisions from one of the warehouse stores. The local economy sells a tank of gas, and possibly a few incidentals from the Dollar store.


Our 7 county area has a Board Of Cooperative Education,,that runs a school and transportation system just for their children. We need an additional county nurse to attend to their health needs and housing inspections. There are probably 30 farmers that are benefitting from the rest of us subsidizing their labor.

14% of my county is below poverty level. the median income is under 50,000.

While certainly not getting rich,these laborers make well over minimum wage. Almost none of this money lingers past payday when there is a line at the store wire window. all of it heading south. This money is gone, they may spend a few dollars in the local economy,but in no way outweighing their cost.
We are an impoverished area, and frankly could do without the burden.
 
Peanut said:
so you mean to say if a person came from australia and sold their home over there and then moved to the US and brought a home here, then say in 15 or 20 years decided to sell everything and move back home to their country with the money that they originally made over there then it's just bad luck because they brought it into the us and then are wanting to take it back home with them? sorry but in instances such as this i do not agree with you. For large businesses and corporations of course but not the normal everyday person.
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No-- I am thinking more of wage income earned here in the US and some of it being sent out to aid family in another country.

I have taken $$$ from sale of properties back and forth from New Zealand to California. In addition to the monetary exchange rate affecting the net proceeds I paid what ever taxes each country required by each country on the sale of property.
 
Lon said:
No-- I am thinking more of wage income earned here in the US and some of it being sent out to aid family in another country.

I have taken $$$ from sale of properties back and forth from New Zealand to California. In addition to the monetary exchange rate affecting the net proceeds I paid what ever taxes each country required by each country on the sale of property.
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We have the same issues back home in Australia, We have an influx of Asians and Indians coming in under the pretense of studying but what they're really doing is coming into the country finding an Australian wife or husband, settling down with them for two years so as to obtain their citizenship and making their spouse and them work two jobs so as to send the money back home to their relatives so that they can be rich and prosper or they try to get their husbands or wives to sponsor their other relatives to come over to Australia. hell some just get married to locals then divorce them after two years and if the women are smart enough they give birth and then take over the family home and kick out the husband and have him pay child support of which they send a portion back home. I've seen too many of these incidents and have seen too many Australians lose their family home and assets to greedy foreigners. some even do share accommodation where there are 8 or so people living in a three bedroom house or apartment they share the expenses and send the remainder of the money that they earn back home.
 
Ray said:
I was commenting on benefits not "send home" money. Education costs certainly are dollars and cents. Healthcare benefits - of course they are available. A person can not be asked their status at the ER. Food stamps - pittance or not they are an expense brought about by people illegally in the country.
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The OP was talking about "send home" money, and that's what I was commenting about. Education stuff, of course, is a cost, but you can't send it home. As to the food stamps thing, the American citizen child is entitled to food stamps by virtue of the fact he is a citizen. Unless or until the law changes, a child born fo undocumented parents in the US is entitled the all benefits of any other citizen.

Undocumented immigrants showing up at the ER are ONLY entitled to the benefits under EMTALA, which requires the US hospital to stabilize you in an emergency situation -- nothing more then stabilize. Hospitals are not required to continue treatment after that point. Hospitals are also required to treat a woman in active labor. That is ALL. Hospitals can and do turn people away. I'm not entirely sure about your assertion that hospitals cannot ask about immigration status, but they can sure ask if you have insurance and why not, and for your SS number, and if you don't have one, that's pretty much a dead giveaway, unless you are a little bitty kid.

Perhaps we should be a lot more worried about what the cost would be if the government allows an influx of thousands or hundreds of thousands of ME asylum seekers. THOSE people, now WILL be entitled to all sorts of benefits, including stipends, housing assistance, and many other things.
 
Robusta said:
In my area the ag interests use itinerate labor almost year round. Usually crews of 15 or so folks. They are housed by the farmers in while not luxurious perfectly adequate quarters. Mostly single men with one or two married couples. They spend almost nothing in the community. They bring in most of their provisions from one of the warehouse stores. The local economy sells a tank of gas, and possibly a few incidentals from the Dollar store.


Our 7 county area has a Board Of Cooperative Education,,that runs a school and transportation system just for their children. We need an additional county nurse to attend to their health needs and housing inspections. There are probably 30 farmers that are benefitting from the rest of us subsidizing their labor.

14% of my county is below poverty level. the median income is under 50,000.

While certainly not getting rich,these laborers make well over minimum wage. Almost none of this money lingers past payday when there is a line at the store wire window. all of it heading south. This money is gone, they may spend a few dollars in the local economy,but in no way outweighing their cost.
We are an impoverished area, and frankly could do without the burden.
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If these workers are undocumented, then they and their employers are breaking the law. If they are documented, or American citizens, then I don't know what you can do about it. Do you have local workers who would do the work?
 
Lon said:
I am talking about the thousands of people in the US,some legal and some not, that are working and send some of their earnings to family living abroad. I would like to see those funds taxed. Difference in currency exchange rates will impact the net proceeds received.
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So you don't believe that a man has the right to do what he wants with wages he earns legally, and which have already been taxed by income tax? I bought a foreign car -- should that be counted as sending income overseas?? If someone wants to send money to their aging mother in Scotland or somewhere, would that be illegal? What about birthday and Christmas presents??

As to the illegal immigrants, it's illegal for them to work here anyway, so the employers of those persons should be prosecuted.
 
Lon, I'm going to have to agree with Butterfly on this one, like she said you can't take way anyone's rights from sending their hard earned money overseas to friends or family besides why place a 20 percent tax on the transferred funds when there is already a transfer fee allocated by the banks?

And Butterfly, though we too have illegal immigrants back home in Australia, Our federal police more often than not catch them out during stake outs and surveillance, then when they're apprehended they get deported back home to their countries as a deterrent of trying to come back. also our border security at the port of entry are trained to watch out for suspicious entrants at the airport gates and nine out of ten people are caught out and then deported before they even step foot outside the airport. The only thing that is running rampant back home now is the student visa loop hole where immigrants come in under the presence of study to marry anyone who will have them so as to stay in the country. Don't get me wrong i understand why people migrate, I understand that they seek a better way of life and they seek a way out of oppression and poverty. I just don't agree with the method in which some of them do it, especially when it involves using and abusing others to reach their goals.
 
Butterfly - I agree with a lot of what you offer on this topic and some other stuff.....a positive "maybe".

As to admitting so-called refugees without complete vetting is a big mistake for reasons of cost as you stated as well as from the national security perspective. A better solution would be to help clean up the problem that gives them a reason to be coming here.

The cost of illegals - any hospital costs are a cost. Those born here - true the baby is entitled to the benefits, but why is he here, why are his parents here to collect for him?

Your issue about the employers not being held accountable is perfect. With all the talk over the years about "comprehensive immigration reform", so much of the problem could be resolved by simply enforcing existing law.

And, yes, if you earn it - it's yours to spend or send at your choice.
 
Butterfly said:
So you don't believe that a man has the right to do what he wants with wages he earns legally, and which have already been taxed by income tax? I bought a foreign car -- should that be counted as sending income overseas?? If someone wants to send money to their aging mother in Scotland or somewhere, would that be illegal? What about birthday and Christmas presents??

As to the illegal immigrants, it's illegal for them to work here anyway, so the employers of those persons should be prosecuted.
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I agree!
 

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