Teen fatally shot by officer sitting behind him in car

Seems to have been remarkably poor judgment on the part of the cop. Getting into the back seat of a car when the (presumed) criminal was in the driver's seat, the engine was running, and you surprise awaken him? What could possibly go wrong? The officers involved had the luxury of planning their next move and thinking it through. The teen did not, and panicked, just as they speculated he might.

Agree with @Myrtle, DC will be paying a large settlement on this disastrous SNAFU on the part of those park police officers.

What the kid did was bad. What the (trained) officer did was worse. Idiot move.
 

I never heard of this maneuver by cops to take control of a vehicle. IMO, it wasn’t the smartest thing to get in the backseat. He was probably thinking “What can go wrong?” He relied on his partner to either grab the keys or grab the driver. These young guys are very quick and when the adrenaline is also churning, they become quicker yet.

It’s going to be the jury’s call, but being in Washington, I think the family will win out. The cop may be cleared on the shooting. I say “may,” but if the Coroner has an inquest, his career may be over. There will likely be some racial issues raised if both cops were white.
 
Was the 17 year old intoxicated on drugs? Behind the wheel of the vehicle. The cop is in the back, no seat belt. That vehicle crashes or gets rolled, it could cause serious injury.

I can't say this was the right move. The 17 YO is fatally injured.

The idea of first blocking the vehicle is a good one. It looks like they were looking for the element of surprise. It didn't work to say the least.

As you say, I think the element of surprise worked, but not in the way the officers hoped. Imagine being fast asleep, and pretty much ‘dead’ to the world. When suddenly you are woken by shouting from several people armed with guns and I think at least one had a baton of some kind. At what point might someone be able to figure out exactly what’s going on after being awoken like that. What might our reaction be, even if we were in a similar situation but where no crime was committed? After waking up, how long would it take to fully understand what’s happening around us when being surounded by several men shouting, at the same time.

I don’t say this next thing in hindsight; it seems obvious to me. Why would a trained police officer put himself in a vulnerable position inside the rear of a vehicle, when the person they are apprehending is sat in the driver’s seat and therefore in control of the car?

At 0:52 in this longer video, (link below, with 4 police cameras playing at the same time) an officer says to another, “But don’t get inside that car until we we…

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/04/04/park-police-bodycam-footage-dalaneo-martin/

The BBC article on the first post says of this threadreads, “A Washington police officer can be heard in the video advising Park Police: "Please don't get caught inside [the vehicle]."

From the point where we first hear the engine rev up and drive off, to the point where the teenager is shot, is just 13 seconds. The police officer shouts, “Stop, stop all I’ll shoot”. The teenager doesn’t even have the time to comprehend the order and the threat. Because literally as soon as the officer says, ‘shoot’, he shoots the teanager, 5 times in the back. Is this what we all expect from police officers? Is this as good as there training gets?

In a different video, on YouTube, after showing the bullets enter the teanagers back, it then shows the car running into what looks like a residential building. The officer is still shouting. The officer gets out of the vehicle, walks backwards and shouts, “Don’t f@#!ing move." Is this the best that this particular police force has?

This whole thing is very sad. It’s also very ridiculous. Why would anyone think this is acceptable. What on earth is the “Park Police”?

I don’t want to turn this into one nation vs another. But if this happened in the UK the police would refer themselves to the "Independent Office for Police Conduct". A police watchdog that oversees complaints against the police. The police themselves would probably do it as a matter of procedure.
 
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As you say, I think the element of surprise worked, but not in the way the officers hoped. Imagine being fast asleep, and pretty much ‘dead’ to the world. When suddenly you are woken by shouting from several people armed with guns and I think at least one had a baton of some kind. At what point might someone be able to figure out exactly what’s going on after being awoken like that. What might our reaction be, even if we were in a similar situation but where no crime was committed? After waking up, how long would it take to fully understand what’s happening around us when being surounded by several men shouting, at the same time.

I don’t say this next thing in hindsight; it seems obvious to me. Why would a trained police officer put himself in a vulnerable position inside the rear of a vehicle, when the person they are apprehending is sat in the driver’s seat and therefore in control of the car?

At 0:52 in this longer video, (link below, with 4 police cameras playing at the same time) an officer says to another, “But don’t get inside that car until we we…

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/04/04/park-police-bodycam-footage-dalaneo-martin/

The BBC article on the first post says of this threadreads, “A Washington police officer can be heard in the video advising Park Police: "Please don't get caught inside [the vehicle]."

From the point where we first hear the engine rev up and drive off, to the point where the teenager is shot, is just 13 seconds. The police officer shouts, “Stop, stop all I’ll shoot”. The teenager doesn’t even have the time to comprehend the order and the threat. Because literally as soon as the officer says, ‘shoot’, he shoots the teanager, 4 times in the back. Is this what we all expect from police officers? Is this as good as there training gets?

In a different video, on YouTube, after showing the bullets enter the teanagers back, it then shows the car running into what looks like a residential building. The officer is still shouting. The officer gets out of the vehicle, walks backwards and shouts, “Don’t f@#!ing move." Is this the best that this particular police force has?

This whole thing is very sad. It’s also very ridiculous. Why would anyone think this is acceptable. What on earth is the “Park Police”?

I don’t want to turn this into one nation vs another. But if this happened in the UK the police would refer themselves to the "Independent Office for Police Conduct". A police watchdog that oversees complaints against the police. The police themselves would probably do it as a matter of procedure.
Per the article you linked, it is being reviewed and investigated by more than one entity.

As far as I know, all US police shootings (and complaints) are investigated by watchdog departments.
 
"Authorities say a gun was found inside the SUV, although it is not clear if the weapon was owned by Martin. It has also not officially been revealed whether the vehicle was in fact stolen or who it belonged to."
https://www.fox5dc.com/news/family-...-involved-in-shooting-that-killed-17-year-old

I wonder why police don't render the car undrivable instead of doing all sorts of dangerous things like cutting through the plastic used for a rear window and sneaking in. All it would take is a valve stem remover or a knife through one of the tires to make the vehicle undrivable. Then they could have just waited him out.

I was wondering the same thing. Instead of making a potential dangerous situation even more dangerous.
 
DC is going to pay a big settlement in this one, I think.
I hope not, the guy was breaking the law and ignoring police direction.

Not to say the police did the right thing, it's easy to second guess what happened. The car should have been blocked in, and getting into the back seat probably was not the best idea. However these were split second decisions, not much time to think about it. Whilst I can come up with what I think are better ideas, I wasn't there. And the police probably did not know the kids age, not that it would have changed much.

Of course it should have gone differently, the kid and cops should still be alive and healthy today. Doesn't make the police liable.
If the kid was white would the cop still have shot him?
Who knows, maybe not. I hope race did not enter into the decision to shoot but we will never know. And it doesn't change the basic facts of the matter.
 
I hope not, the guy was breaking the law and ignoring police direction.

Not to say the police did the right thing, it's easy to second guess what happened. The car should have been blocked in, and getting into the back seat probably was not the best idea. However these were split second decisions, not much time to think about it. Whilst I can come up with what I think are better ideas, I wasn't there. And the police probably did not know the kids age, not that it would have changed much.

Of course it should have gone differently, the kid and cops should still be alive and healthy today. Doesn't make the police liable.

Who knows, maybe not. I hope race did not enter into the decision to shoot but we will never know. And it doesn't change the basic facts of the matter.
True, they could have put a police car in front of him and one in back and then directed him from the loudspeaker (or whatever police use) to come out of the vehicle with his hands up. Probably the last thing they should have done is snuck into the back seat.

It seems like they don't get the best and the brightest into the police department. :rolleyes:

I can hear it now... "more training is needed."

Some of these cops need to be trained to put one foot in front of the other to walk, or that's how it seems, anyway.
 
True, they could have put a police car in front of him and one in back and then directed him from the loudspeaker (or whatever police use) to come out of the vehicle with his hands up. Probably the last thing they should have done is snuck into the back seat.

It seems like they don't get the best and the brightest into the police department. :rolleyes:

I can hear it now... "more training is needed."

Some of these cops need to be trained to put one foot in front of the other to walk, or that's how it seems, anyway.
It will probably stay that way so long as the public is going to continue to side with the criminal who is resisting arrest.

Police now know that they can do dangerous work day in day out for years and never make a bad decision, but if one day something should go wrong during a chaotic, violent situation, they will spend the rest of their life in jail.

Police know that even though, every year, they kill more white people than black people, there will still be some people saying, "This would never happen to a white person." Police kill hundreds of white people every year and it doesn't matter what percentage of the population they are. They're white and they're dead.

Police are constantly accused of being racist because based on a population of 14% blacks, they kill a larger percentage of black people, but no one adds the statistic that although blacks are only 14% of the population they commit over 50% of the murders. Plainly, if they are committing more crimes they are coming into more contact with the police and have a larger chance of being shot.

If our police seem like fools it's because only a fool would join the police in this hostile climate where every yoyo has a gun, making every domestic dispute or traffic stop a potentially deadly situation.
 
Police now know that they can do dangerous work day in day out for years and never make a bad decision, but if one day something should go wrong during a chaotic, violent situation, they will spend the rest of their life in jail.
I worked with an attorney once who's specialty was defending police charged for wrongly shooting people (not why I was working with her). She said that conviction of police was very rare, and that what we hear in the press distorts our view of this. But it happens. See the article below.

I think a part of the problem is that we do not pay police well enough to attract a lot of the best and brightest. Big mistake police are very important people. Not that we don't have a lot of fine police officers, we do, in fact I think most are. But good underpaid people are more likely to move on to something more lucrative.

I agree, I am glad my career did not involve making life and death decisions. I made my share of bad decisions, but the consequences were much less.

Why it’s rare for police officers to be convicted of murder
https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/20/us/police-convicted-murder-rare-chauvin/index.html
 
I worked with an attorney once who's specialty was defending police charged for wrongly shooting people (not why I was working with her). She said that conviction of police was very rare, and that what we hear in the press distorts our view of this. But it happens. See the article below.

I think a part of the problem is that we do not pay police well enough to attract a lot of the best and brightest. Big mistake police are very important people. Not that we don't have a lot of fine police officers, we do, in fact I think most are. But good underpaid people are more likely to move on to something more lucrative.

I agree, I am glad my career did not involve making life and death decisions. I made my share of bad decisions, but the consequences were much less.

Why it’s rare for police officers to be convicted of murder
https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/20/us/police-convicted-murder-rare-chauvin/index.html
I don't buy that.

Police (in Denver, anyway) get paid fairly well. After a couple years, they can make over $100k a year.
https://www.denvergov.org/Governmen...obs/Denver-Police-Recruitment/Salary-Benefits

Most of them like the excitement of being a cop and probably couldn't handle working at a computer all day, being stuck in an office, doing the same thing, day after day... Wha? Oh, sorry... I was thinking back to before I retired. Pfew! Excuse me while I wipe the sweat off my forehead.
 
I worked with an attorney once who's specialty was defending police charged for wrongly shooting people (not why I was working with her). She said that conviction of police was very rare, and that what we hear in the press distorts our view of this. But it happens. See the article below.

I think a part of the problem is that we do not pay police well enough to attract a lot of the best and brightest. Big mistake police are very important people. Not that we don't have a lot of fine police officers, we do, in fact I think most are. But good underpaid people are more likely to move on to something more lucrative.

I agree, I am glad my career did not involve making life and death decisions. I made my share of bad decisions, but the consequences were much less.

Why it’s rare for police officers to be convicted of murder
https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/20/us/police-convicted-murder-rare-chauvin/index.html
And, if not for that young girl who videotaped Chauvin, he might never have even been charged.
 
Per the article you linked, it is being reviewed and investigated by more than one entity.

As far as I know, all US police shootings (and complaints) are investigated by watchdog departments.
I think you’re correct. I thought I heard the news guy on TV say one time that the FBI looks into all shootings by police that end in death for a hate or racially motivated crime.
 
I hope not, the guy was breaking the law and ignoring police direction.

Not to say the police did the right thing, it's easy to second guess what happened. The car should have been blocked in, and getting into the back seat probably was not the best idea. However these were split second decisions, not much time to think about it. Whilst I can come up with what I think are better ideas, I wasn't there. And the police probably did not know the kids age, not that it would have changed much.

Of course it should have gone differently, the kid and cops should still be alive and healthy today. Doesn't make the police liable.

Who knows, maybe not. I hope race did not enter into the decision to shoot but we will never know. And it doesn't change the basic facts of the matter.
What makes the police liable is intensive training for situations like these, including safer options for handling them.
Also, this was not a split second decision.

I've known a lot of cops throughout my life. Some are/were calm, level-headed folks whose very bearing de-escalated situations. Others were little more than hell bent for leather cowboys. Sad to say, there are plenty of Derek Chauvin types out there.

For the record, LAPD officers get paid $74K while in the academy, $78K for first year as trainee, and $83K after 12 months of training.

An LAPD officer with five years on the job and an AA degree is paid $110K/annum without overtime, $137.5K if they work patrol. And that's without overtime, which is plentiful. Plus extremely generous pensions, paid holiday & vacation days (28 per year after one year, 36 after ten years), heath, dental, retirement and benefits packages and student loan forgiveness.

In Los Angeles at least, cops are very well paid.
https://www.joinlapd.com/salary
 
True, they could have put a police car in front of him and one in back and then directed him from the loudspeaker (or whatever police use) to come out of the vehicle with his hands up. Probably the last thing they should have done is snuck into the back seat.

It seems like they don't get the best and the brightest into the police department. :rolleyes:

I can hear it now... "more training is needed."

Some of these cops need to be trained to put one foot in front of the other to walk, or that's how it seems, anyway.
How'bout more training for the would-be criminals ?

Start shooting more of them [once they actually go criminal] and stand behind the officers when shooting is required ...

Send the message that crime is no-longer going to be tollerated !! And prove it.
 

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