Terrorist Beheading Attempt in the Streets of Sydney Australia?

Yes, saw this on the news. He was arrested before he did anything I think, but the authorities became aware of a plot to do this.Very alarming!
 
I'll take the threat seriously but with questions. Did they discover "a" plot or part of a master plan? Is this a lone wolf being enabled and egged for prosecution purposes? Did this plan really have any chance of success let alone actually being acted on? Something is "off".

That being said I still don't get the urge to become a serial killer for ISIS. Is there a serial killer boot camp IS want to bes go to when they are from a western country? Their recruiting achievements if you want to call it that is the only reason this should be taken seriously for now. I'm sure there are always some dastardly and barbaric plots that never go past the bandied about stage.

There was an excellent movie in the 1990s call The Long Kiss Goodnight I think with Gena Davis and Samuel L Jackson about spies. Although a movie their scene about a CIA "fund raiser" is dead on. The point being most countries/politicians need a rallying cry/event to get people behind their agenda 100%.
 
The people under watch/investigation had their passports denied/confiscated to prevent them travelling to Syria so they were already known to the authorities. Their meetings and communications have been under surveillance for some time. When the chatter indicated that they planned to carry out a kidnapping of a random civilian or tourist and film their murder the moment to swoop had arrived. 25 houses were raided to make sure that the people of interest did not escape the net and material, weapons, computers were seized which will no doubt provide further leads for future arrests.

There is an Australian born muslim now in Syria who had been actively recruiting for the jihad in Brisbane and some of the people raided would have had contact with him.

I heard John Kerry this morning describe IS as a "militant cult" which I think sums them up pretty accurately. Members of cults do not think the same way as people who think for themselves. I think that they are more like the Borg than anything else. Their mentality is the mentality of the hive.
 
Maybe this was a set up to convince more Aussies to 'go to war' (America's favorite past time) ...I hope they don't fall for it if it could possibly be true.
Stupid ass congress just voted to 'help and aid' the rebels... When will we ever take the government back? Not as long as people don't realize that Democrats and Republicans are part of a REAL PLOT to keep Americans divided...mind controlled and programmed. Both the majority of Dems and the GOP voted FOR assisting the rebels.
My apologies to all who 'believe' that politicians are not owned by banks and corporations... You can see why I stay away from these Topics.....and so I once again shall keep that promise.
 
Bettyann said:
Maybe this was a set up to convince more Aussies to 'go to war' (America's favorite past time) ...I hope they don't fall for it if it could possibly be true.
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Not likely. Aussies love a new war. Most think it's another international sporting contest and we must have a team in the contest.
Believe me, this was a real threat to public safety but not actually to national security. That would be an overstatement.
 
Bettyann said:
Maybe this was a set up to convince more Aussies to 'go to war' (America's favorite past time) ...I hope they don't fall for it if it could possibly be true.
Stupid ass congress just voted to 'help and aid' the rebels... When will we ever take the government back? Not as long as people don't realize that Democrats and Republicans are part of a REAL PLOT to keep Americans divided...mind controlled and programmed. Both the majority of Dems and the GOP voted FOR assisting the rebels.
My apologies to all who 'believe' that politicians are not owned by banks and corporations... You can see why I stay away from these Topics.....and so I once again shall keep that promise.
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I know how you feel, you speak great truth, we're in this mess primarily for those reasons to begin with. Powers that be wanted something from over there and thought it would be easy pickins as usual, just the usual lowly servants would be casualties and they'd, the super powers, would reap major rewards. Not this time kemosabe. OK, I too must keep same promise to myself. Us conspiracy folks must retreat back to loony bins. :D
 
Seabreeze this was foiled before it happened...so no need for your "gun" mentality over here.

"Aussies love a new war. Most think it's another international sporting contest and we must have a team in the contest."
DW I do not know where you get this feeling/belief from. I strongly disagree with your summation of us.
 
JustQuinn, I can only think of two wars last century that we didn't join with enthusiasm - the Falklands and the Balkans.
We offered to assist with the Falklands but Maggie said she had it covered and I'm not sure about the Balkans, perhaps it was a NATO only war.

IMO there is an unhealthy aspect of hero worship for our military that has its origin in Gallipoli.
We love to cheer them on.***

What I was saying is that there is no need for our government to rally Australians to back military engagement.
Most of us are already convinced. At least at the start. Further down the track things tend to change if it drags on.

*** My grandfather served in the Boer War and backed up again for the Great War. My father served in New Guinea in WW II and two of my uncles died in that war. In this house we are very interested in all the wars that Australians have served in and we have visited Imperial War cemeteries in many locations, including ANZAC Cove and Lone Pine so I'm not really being facetious. It's just an observation of the Australian character. If Shorten had uttered one word opposing Abbott's decision to send troops, it would have done him great damage politically, hence his 'me too' position.
 
DW Perhaps you have forgotten the massive demonstrations around 1969 against our participation in the Vietnam war? I remember them as I participated.
My grandfather served in France in WW1 and I have great respect for the sacrifices made ...I do not however believe that the current average Australian is eager to provide Australian soldiers on the ground in other peoples wars.

If we were so happy to get into war I wonder why it was necessary to introduce conscription to get the numbers of troops needed to participate in Vietnam?
 
Even Vietnam was popular at first. It was to take a stand before the commies swooped down to over run the homeland.
People mostly deplored the protestors who were seen as hippies and students and therefore not to be taken seriously.

I think what more senior Australians objected to was conscription, especially in the form of a lottery.
We've never been happy with forced military service but accepted it in WW II as a necessary evil in a time of global war.
When the women from the Save Our Sons movement started to appear in the protests the tide had well and truly turned.

Before that I think the majority agreed with Premier Askin when he said "run over the bastards".

Here is some material to back up my memories

Conscription

Moratoriums and Opposition - public dissent


In the early years of Australian involvement in Vietnam, opposition, even to the policy of sending conscripts to a war zone, was limited. The National Service Scheme did attract opponents as soon as it was introduced, but it was only when the government increased the size of Australia’s commitment to the war in Vietnam in May 1966, making the use of conscripts necessary, that significant public opposition arose.

National service’s early opponents included the Parliamentary Opposition, religious groups, trade unionists, academics, and young men affected by the scheme. From within this disparate anti-conscription movement groups began to form and organise, some becoming prominent and forming branches across Australia. Among them: Youth Campaign Against Conscription (YCAC) formed in late 1964 and closely aligned to the Australian Labor Party (ALP), and Save Our Sons (SOS) founded in Sydney in 1965 shortly after the government announced an increase of troops to Vietnam.

The announcement gave the protest movement some momentum, but it built slowly as anti-war groups began working together and learning lessons from similar groups in the United States. By 1969 those who opposed the war had increased in number and become sufficiently well organised to coordinate Australia-wide mass protests, known as the moratorium marches of 1970–71. Involvement in anti-war activities politicised many previously disinterested Australians. Opposition to the war was a radicalising experience for some people such as the middle-class women, members of Save Our Sons, who were arrested during peaceful protests outside national service induction centres.

Despite the eventual strength and widespread nature of the anti-war movement, its effectiveness in Australia is open to question. The Australian Government had followed the United States lead in Vietnam since the early 1960s and continued to do so until the last Australian troops were withdrawn in 1972. When the United States began removing its troops from Vietnam, Australia followed suit, irrespective of the well-attended protests of 1970 and 1971.

http://vietnam-war.commemoration.gov.au/conscription/moratoriums-and-opposition.php
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Did I see some Aussies on the roof of our embassy in Saigon trying to get on helicopters during the strategic withdrawal?
 
I understand that the American people are war weary... no one WANTS to go to battle in the ME again. (Except for those politicians in the pocket of folks that profit off war..) They just see $$$signs. However, to those against any action against ISIS... I need to ask.. What do you suggest? Do we just let them run rampant throught the ME and as they put it.. form an Islamic Caliphate? Which of course means taking over the entire world. Do we as a civilized nation sit back and watch this? Do we want to continue to see videos of our citizens beheaded.. AND..... How good do you think you will look in a Burka walking 10 steps behind your master... errr... I mean husband?

A caliphate (in Arabic: meaning "succession") is an Islamic state led by a supreme religious and political leader known as a caliph – i.e. "successor" – to Muhammad. The succession of Muslim empires that have existed in the Muslim world are usually described as "caliphates". Conceptually, a caliphate represents a sovereign state of the entire Muslim faithful, (the Ummah), ruled by a caliph under Islamic law (sharia).[citation needed]
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I dont think the videos or threats should be given air space,,that doesn't mean to say ignore them ,
but why give them the pleasure of shocking the world ,
they are just cowards ,thats why they are targeting people who are civilians,so easy for them to snatch,and not able to put up a fight ..
target them from the air ,till they are weakened, then strike hard and wipe them out ..
 
Lady said:
I dont think the videos or threats should be given air space,,that doesn't mean to say ignore them ,
but why give them the pleasure of shocking the world ,
they are just cowards ,thats why they are targeting people who are civilians,so easy for them to snatch,and not able to put up a fight ..
target them from the air ,till they are weakened, then strike hard and wipe them out ..
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That would be my plan too...
 
To even contemplate war is total and complete madness, understandable only if you realize the motivating forces (the U.S. and Australia) have never experienced actual war in their own countries for more than a hundred years!
This keenness for war will soon diminish, once you're surrounded by millions shot to pieces, 1000's of homes in ruins, infrastructure totally destroyed.
Rushing 17000 kms. to countries in order to bomb them to smithereens is truly crazy.
When will the PUPPET MASTERS on "all sides" come to their senses?
 
Susie said:
To even contemplate war is total and complete madness, understandable only if you realize the motivating forces (the U.S. and Australia) have never experienced actual war in their own countries for more than a hundred years!
This keenness for war will soon diminish, once you're surrounded by millions shot to pieces, 1000's of homes in ruins, infrastructure totally destroyed.
Rushing 17000 kms. to countries in order to bomb them to smithereens is truly crazy.
When will the PUPPET MASTERS on "all sides" come to their senses?
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So What should be done about ISIS?
 
QuickSilver said:
So What should be done about ISIS?
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Nothing like Blitzkrieg or Shock and Awe. It takes patience to deal with this kind of insurgency. We need to think less like Vietnam and more like the British campaign in Malaya against the communist insurgents. You have to get the general populace onside and you don't do that by bombing indiscriminately, or by dropping daisy cutters and cluster bombs. You have to use intelligence, flexibile thinking and perseverance .
 
Dame Warrigal said:
Not likely. Aussies love a new war. Most think it's another international sporting contest and we must have a team in the contest.
Believe me, this was a real threat to public safety but not actually to national security. That would be an overstatement.
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Not to mention the "extra benefits" for soldiers serving away from home
 
Bettyann said:
Maybe this was a set up to convince more Aussies to 'go to war' (America's favorite past time) ...I hope they don't fall for it if it could possibly be true.
Stupid ass congress just voted to 'help and aid' the rebels... When will we ever take the government back? Not as long as people don't realize that Democrats and Republicans are part of a REAL PLOT to keep Americans divided...mind controlled and programmed. Both the majority of Dems and the GOP voted FOR assisting the rebels.
My apologies to all who 'believe' that politicians are not owned by banks and corporations... You can see why I stay away from these Topics.....and so I once again shall keep that promise.
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I think you and I are on the same page as this Bettyann. I'm always amazed at the numbers of people who think the government of both our countries (and others) aren't causing all the chaos in the world. And we 'peasants' get to fight their battles for them!
 
QuickSilver said:
I understand that the American people are war weary... no one WANTS to go to battle in the ME again. (Except for those politicians in the pocket of folks that profit off war..) They just see $$$signs. However, to those against any action against ISIS... I need to ask.. What do you suggest? Do we just let them run rampant throught the ME and as they put it.. form an Islamic Caliphate? Which of course means taking over the entire world. Do we as a civilized nation sit back and watch this? Do we want to continue to see videos of our citizens beheaded.. AND..... How good do you think you will look in a Burka walking 10 steps behind your master... errr... I mean husband?
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How about the USA quit arming terrorists anywhere? Like mind their own business and start being good PEACEFUL citizens. Good start. The USA was arming Syrian terrorists since that war started and it's since become known that they were arming al Qaeda sympathizers, some of whom have returned to Iraq to fight alongside ISIS. (PS: What kind of questionnaire do you hand out to terrorists that you are 'vetting' as the American administrations asserts they have vetted who they give weapons to????) Who is really responsible for the deaths in Syria, the deaths in Iraq, Libya, even the Ukraine? They also were working with the scum that destroyed Libya (and now Libya is in continual chaos whereas Gaddafi was holding it together pretty good and the citizens had a pretty good life - until the US decided to take out Libya that is)

Did you know that under Gaddafi, the Libyans had a high standard of living, free education, free and excellent healthcare including out of the country treatment if need be, a free house for most, received a royalty check every year from the country's oil sales, life expectancy rose from 61 to 74 years, conditions for women were excellent compared to ME nations and child mortality under the age of five had dropped significantly. And the $99 billion of world wide investment that belonged to Libya has been frozen and is held by 7 other countries with the US holding the majority at $34 billion, Canada holding $2.4 billion and the UK $19.2 billion.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/destro...ya-had-achieved-what-has-been-destroyed/26686



http://landdestroyer.blogspot.ca/2014/09/as-in-libya-so-in-syria-folly-of.html Re: the destruction of Libya & Syria
From the link: "...While the US continuously insists it is promoting democracy and freedom globally, it holds the portfolio instead of a practiced and accomplished imperialist. It has divided and destroyed nation after nation, building in the cinders of its destructive wake, chaos it can manipulate and wring profit and power from perpetually. As it positions itself to intervene in Syria, it attempts to compel the general public that this time, this time it will succeed in crushing the enemies of freedom, and planting the seeds of lasting egalitarian democracy...."


General Wesley Clark has gone on public record that in 1991 the Pentagon and Administration decided to destabilize the ME. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5q9PYy1NoA

I'd say they're doing a good job and once again, individual civilians are the victims and paying the price! So maybe if the concern is having to wear a burka, maybe that's one more area that we can look to Halliburton to supply because someone is making money off of all of this and it's not the citizens!
 
Susie said:
To even contemplate war is total and complete madness, understandable only if you realize the motivating forces (the U.S. and Australia) have never experienced actual war in their own countries for more than a hundred years!
This keenness for war will soon diminish, once you're surrounded by millions shot to pieces, 1000's of homes in ruins, infrastructure totally destroyed.
Rushing 17000 kms. to countries in order to bomb them to smithereens is truly crazy.
When will the PUPPET MASTERS on "all sides" come to their senses?
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Right on Susie! Maybe if Canadians and Americans and yes, the British, had to walk through the rubble of their/our cities like the West keeps leaving in the ME, maybe then there would be less 'rah, rah' enthusiasm for war! And that goes for the ME and for Ukraine! Easy to say, yes let's start/go to war when you know your neighbourhood is safe!

In 1991, America (the Administration) decided to control the ME and take out the leaders of 7 key countries and they've been working on it ever since.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5q9PYy1NoA
 

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